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In about 18 years of occasionally playing videogames, but trying a LOT of them, I realized that most games are just rubbish and nonsense. I have always kept looking for the 'next' incredible game, and never found it. The only ones that stood the test of time, to me, are very few and far between, and this is probably true of your cases as well. Probably a couple of games out of accurately selected dozens based on apparently great reviews. Interestingly, I always read first the NEGATIVE reviews, and I am always surprised how insightful they are: they quickly tell me of all the things I don't want in a game, either, and all the glaring defects. Most of these reviews are written by choosy and difficult 'gamers' like me, which are to me the most useful reviews, as they imply a certain amount of experience.

There's just so many games, but almost none that are truly worth spending dozens of hours on. Tons of quantity, but very little quality. Most of them have nonsense stories, no humour, no sense of tragedy, dumb characters, NPCs without personality, chaotic and messy battles, a zillion worthless items, etc. The only mostly high quality constant in them, are the soundtracks. I must say, especially PC games, have the most amazing soundtracks I have heard. And the graphics in most of the 'best' modern games are very pretty. But that's where it all ends, for me.

End of the rant :)
Post edited May 29, 2019 by escapist23
Thank goodness most movies, music, books are not.

EDIT: This statement is false, it was made for the goal of self entertaining (a gesture of jest).
Post edited May 29, 2019 by Cadaver747
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Cadaver747: Thank goodness most movies, music, books are not.
I agree about books, and I read a lot. There's certainly a vast amount of books really worth reading. But most of them aren't modern books, they too are classics that stood the test of time. Most modern books are crap too. And I agree about music too, most of it it's great, even in the modern era you can find something of quality. But movies, to a very minor extent.

I think the reason is this: games and movies are made to entertain. But the greatest books were not made to entertain: it was simply the honest work of someone who had something worthwhile to say. Take Franz Kafka, Poe, etc....none of them cared about selling their book, since they were not written to entertain, but to teach something.

But movies and games aren't books. They are entertainment.
Post edited May 29, 2019 by escapist23
Subjective opinion is subjective
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Cadaver747: Thank goodness most movies, music, books are not.
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escapist23: I agree about books, and I read a lot. There's certainly a vast amount of books really worth reading. But most of them aren't modern books, they too are classics that stood the test of time. Most modern books are crap too. And I agree about music too, most of it it's great, even in the modern era you can find something of quality. But movies, to a very minor extent.
That was a sarcasm actually. I can't say for others but for me the most products of art are not good enough. It's the personal matter to search what suits you best. And after a year or a decade I may find something good where I haven't seen anything worthwhile before. For instance I can watch an old movie and find it clever, funny, sophisticated - but a few years ago it was just simply boring for me.
As for the books, good reading of vast amount of classics is fine. Most books are still "trash" as you call it.
And let's not talk about art galleries ;))
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escapist23: But movies and games aren't books. They are entertainment.
You would be amazed how many books were written exclusive for entertaining. I've read tons of immature sci-fi (so called battle fantasy) books and I haven't learned anything useful (no extra wisdom, knowledge, self respect) out of it.
Post edited May 29, 2019 by Cadaver747
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Mafwek: Subjective opinion is subjective
Yet your opinion is far more subjective and much less grounded, for this reason: I explained why I think what I think. You didn't.

It's far easier to dismiss something, than to dismiss it by offering a sound and robust argument, which is the reason why most people do the former, but very few are capable of doing the latter.
Post edited May 29, 2019 by escapist23
My view is a bit different, there are tons of great high-quality games out there that are loved by many. My problem is that I only appreciate a very small number of those games. Doesn't matter though, there are more games out there that I wanna play that I will never have the time for. And that list keeps on growing.

If you look for shit, all you're gonna see is shit and so on.
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escapist23: Yet your opinion is far more subjective and much less grounded, for this reason: I explained why I think what I think. You didn't.
You only stated few generalized descriptions without even linking them to an actual game.
You didn't explain what isn't rubbish; what's objectively good; is objectively good even possible and why should anyone care if it is.

All you said is that you find majority of games to be rubbish, opinion which someone may or may not share with you.
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escapist23: I agree about books, and I read a lot. There's certainly a vast amount of books really worth reading. But most of them aren't modern books, they too are classics that stood the test of time. Most modern books are crap too. And I agree about music too, most of it it's great, even in the modern era you can find something of quality. But movies, to a very minor extent.
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Cadaver747: That was a sarcasm actually. I can't say for others but for me the most products of art are not good enough. It's the personal matter to search what suits you best. And after a year or a decade I may find something good where I haven't seen anything worthwhile before. For instance I can watch an old movie and find it clever, funny, sophisticated - but a few years ago it was just simply boring for me.
As for the books, good reading of vast amount of classics is fine. Most books are still "trash" as you call it.
And let's not talk about art galleries ;))
Well, I don't know what art you refer to, so I cannot tell. But if you are referring to 'modern art', I think I know well what you mean: I see boulders and stuffed sharks being exposed in 'art galleries'. When you compare this trash to a painting by Caravaggio, the difference seems very obvious. I have never entered an art gallery, by the way.

As for what suits one best, of course even something of great quality that I like, say Tolstoy or Hemingway, might not be LIKED by someone else. But not liking doesn't mean the work is not of great quality. Most people confuse subjectivity with objectivity, or use either as an excuse to say that something supposedly good, is an 'opinion'. Or the reverse. Ironically, they say these things without offering any solid arguments. Which truly make it just an empty and lazy opinion.

It's ok not to like something, but again, liking or disliking are not an argument for quality, or the lack of it. :)

But yeah, ultimately, who cares? The world will carry on regardless, in the same strange ways it has done so until now.
Post edited May 29, 2019 by escapist23
Great Job - you have re-invented Sturgeon's law - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon%27s_law
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escapist23: say Tolstoy...
Wait a second, which Tolstoy?
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Cadaver747: Wait a second, which Tolstoy?
You know more than one?
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escapist23: It's ok not to like something, but again, liking or disliking are not an argument for quality, or the lack of it. :)
And what is? How can your say that this is good art or not. Only the opinion of the most part of population (subjective thinking) made it good, and in some cases only after many-many years. And opinion of the most part of population does not make it officially correct and solid. Who knows maybe most human beings are clinically insane. Who knows maybe in 100 years human race will decide that all you call "art" is crap.
What are your arguments that this art is good, and that art is not art at all? How can you be so sure? Do you really think that a test of several centuries is enough to proclaim something to be objectively worthwhile?
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Cadaver747: Wait a second, which Tolstoy?
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Mafwek: You know more than one?
Lev Nikolaevich Tolstoy, Alexey Nikolaevich Tolstoy, Alexey Konstantinovich Tolstoy.
Post edited May 29, 2019 by Cadaver747
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escapist23: ...As for what suits one best, of course even something of great quality that I like, say Tolstoy or Hemingway, might not be LIKED by someone else. But not liking doesn't mean the work is not of great quality. Most people confuse subjectivity with objectivity...
Okay mate, but you still haven't said what makes a piece of art great if it's not somebody liking it. I am still waiting for how objectivity in art is possible considering it's matter of values (which are objectively subjective), and not scientific facts.
EVERYTHING and I mean EVERYTHING is subjective.


Well, except the 4th Indiana Jones movie.
That sucked.