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vv221: Galaxy is only optional if you are OK with never having access to the multiplayer mode of games you bought. Or in some cases, some content of the single player mode too. Or even the ability to save your progress. And in the worst cases, the ability to run the game at all.
I am fine with the bolded part because, after all, the other option is that the multiplayer part is just disabled/removed in the GOG version. I recall that used to be the norm before Galaxy. Which was ok to me too as I was interested only in the singla-player part in my DRM-free GOG games.

In fact, I am even in favor of some sort of DRM in online multiplayer games, as that is pretty much needed for anticheat. If there is nothing preventing someone from playing the game (e.g. because they were banned for cheating), then such anticheat is totally ineffective..

The other things you listed are bugs, ie. of course everyone expects the game to work and being able to save the game with a DRM-free game, and also include all the content relevant for the single-player game. (I personally can live with some cosmetic stuff missing, regardless if it is due to DRM or missing DLC).
Post edited September 16, 2024 by timppu
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paladin181: No, because Galaxy is still totally optional, even for games installed through it. Galaxy also functions completely offline and with games that you may have acquired through less-than-legal means. It doesn't function as DRM for entire games except in the case of online only games (Gwent) and in the case of individual items or multiplayer modes.
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Timboli: You are missing my point.

I never said Galaxy wasn't optional or that you couldn't use it in a DRM-Free manner, it is and you can.

What is important to what I said though, is how you use Galaxy.

If you never download Offline Installers, either with Galaxy or your browser or some other downloader, then at best you are only getting a DRM-Free Lite version of a GOG game, and that is only if you backup the install folder to another physical drive. That last is vitally important, as a drive can die anytime, so you need at least two separate physical drive copies ... one can be your PC, if you have the room. You can certainly see a cloud backup as another additional one, but not one to deliberately count on.

And any games in your online GOG library that you haven't downloaded, aren't any kind of DRM-Free at all. If you are continually reliant on a web connection to get your games, then you are not doing the DRM-Free thing. Sure, you have to use the web connection to GOG to download your game once, but if you aren't doing that soon after purchase, then you really aren't doing the DRM-Free thing. Any scenario where you are reliant on a source outside of yourself, such as a store web connection, means you are not doing DRM-free.

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Gudadantza: If Galaxy were the only way to install the game I would partially agree with you and would call it "DRM lite/Client only based install" (if you can run the game without the client) after installation

But it is not the case because we have both. A glorified browser speciallized to run, install and manage games and your common browser to download them. You choose what you want.
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Timboli: I think this is another case of me not being understood.

The issue is not about Galaxy, but how you use Galaxy.

And I fail to see the sense in downloading your game twice from GOG, once with Galaxy as a download & install all-in-one process, and then another download, either via the Extras option in Galaxy for Offline Installers, or via browser links or some other downloader.

Why wouldn't you just download the Offline Installers for a game, install that, and then use Galaxy with that install?
You essentially achieve the same thing, but with only one download instance, not two. You obviously then backup your Offline Installers to another drive or two etc, to be sure you are DRM-Free.
Yes, perfectly valid, but it use to be longer because not always the installer needs to be backuped for different reasons, at least not right now, but next month, etc. It will be our business, habits and practices

What I mean is that if you want to use Galaxy for your games the install in one pass will be shorter than download installer ( 5/10 mins) and install it (5/10 mins) backup the installer in a different drive (5 mins aprox)
I mean very big games. in older smaller ones I consider it irrelevant. Install it via installer or Galaxy
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Gudadantza: What I mean is that if you want to use Galaxy for your games the install in one pass will be shorter than download installer ( 5/10 mins) and install it (5/10 mins) backup the installer in a different drive (5 mins aprox)
I mean very big games. in older smaller ones I consider it irrelevant. Install it via installer or Galaxy
My main reason(*) for not using Galaxy is that, since I value offline installers, I feel it it makes more sense to test that those installers actually work as intended.

(*) Other than finding Galaxy an unpleasant experience in itself, that is. But if I didn't care about testing the installers, I'd probably use Heroic instead, as that's actually quite pleasant to use.
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Gudadantza: What I mean is that if you want to use Galaxy for your games the install in one pass will be shorter than download installer ( 5/10 mins) and install it (5/10 mins) backup the installer in a different drive (5 mins aprox)
I mean very big games. in older smaller ones I consider it irrelevant. Install it via installer or Galaxy
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brouer: My main reason(*) for not using Galaxy is that, since I value offline installers, I feel it it makes more sense to test that those installers actually work as intended.

(*) Other than finding Galaxy an unpleasant experience in itself, that is. But if I didn't care about testing the installers, I'd probably use Heroic instead, as that's actually quite pleasant to use.
You'd use Heroic instead

If I use a launcher I prefer something legit, tested and from a site i have been used for decades without a fault for me. period. And something that does not break my conception about DRM, nor in practice nor in theory
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Gudadantza: Yes, perfectly valid, but it use to be longer because not always the installer needs to be backuped for different reasons, at least not right now, but next month, etc. It will be our business, habits and practices
The problem, is that if you don't make it a part of how you do things, it gets left, and we've seen many examples here of those who all of a sudden have many games to download and backup, and wonder how best to do that, and decry download speeds, storage costs etc. If you do it soon after buying a game, immediate in my case, it is never that onerous, as you are just doing a bit here and there. No sudden pressing need to buy an expensive large backup drive.

I shudder to think what will happen for those folk who have left things, if GOG suddenly closes. Even if they give a fair amount of warning, how well do you think server use is going to perform with so many desperately trying to download their games. Many folk think they have a crap speed with GOG now.

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Gudadantza: What I mean is that if you want to use Galaxy for your games the install in one pass will be shorter than download installer ( 5/10 mins) and install it (5/10 mins) backup the installer in a different drive (5 mins aprox)
I mean very big games. in older smaller ones I consider it irrelevant. Install it via installer or Galaxy
I can see the benefit of getting to play your game sooner. But that is offset anyway, by the need to still download the Offline Installers for backup. So it is a price to be paid, and downloading twice is just paying more. Impatience I guess is at the root of the thing, but it seems poorly thought out to me. That mindset is like paying interest on a loan, when you have plenty of money in the bank ... you are giving money away.

And you know, I am against the whole approach anyway, because I have a lousy download speed with GOG, and if many are downloading the same game from GOG twice, that has to be impacting things for those of us less fortunate when it comes to speed. In fact, it may be contributing to why GOG are cutting costs.