http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/10/15/florida-bullying-arrest-lakeland-suicide/2986079/
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/rebecca-ann-sedwick-suicide-2-arrests-made-in-death-of-bullied-florida-girl/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-494809/Girl-13-commits-suicide-cyber-bullied-neighbour-posing-teenage-boy.html

Some more stupid comments? Or do you want to rethink your position?

But will they? That's the point, my trust for gog went out of the window when, for multiple times, decided to ignore the problems that the community has, i'm not talking about months, i'm talking about years, i'm talking about either promising something (that would really help) or not even adressing our concerns with something like "Unfortunatly we can't to this, this and this because of ________".

Am i being too negative about it? Perhaps but, as i've pointed out, i have a reason for that and others that have been here as long as i did (or more) should also be upset about it... But most of them abandoned the forum. I'll agree with you when i see something good coming out of it, otherwise it will be like when people were complaining about the harassment on this forum and their solution was to block people on chat... Perhaps that's why to this day you still continue to see harassment on this forum... See what? From what you said you assumed that my rep was due to my "recent" behavior, you even said that others were targeted by a script... yeah, i was one of the first being targeted, you know, when i wasn't bitter, when i trusted gog to do something about it, when i still cared about the whole community instead of just some people. I'm just being logical, don't think that i'll change my behavior, while gunsynd decide to act upon the community because he felt wrong, i'm doing the same to those that are responsible for this situation, either gog that refuses to fix a problem that ONLY they can fix it or the people that keep defending a company that don't care about them, this situation being dragged for months isn't acceptable anywhere else, hell, people were openly offensive in this thread where i'm sure that staff members are/were active. Is this normal?

I don't have anything against Fables22, i just don't believe that she has the power to change anything, if she's able to create a open communication between gog and us (to be clear, a Q&A with people that are in charge of gog or the web team) about what can be done then i'll trust her because she was able to do something that Ciris promised but never did...

He's become angry, but he's become angry for a reason, being one of the people who've "boycotted" GOG over the forum.
Yeah, it's a bit much and he can be extreme, but you can't say he doesn't have an understanding and at least SOME insight about the problems underlying this place. We might not always like how he says what he says, but he undeniably often has a point, unless I've missed something about the guy.

Yes I did, but you still haven't.
Your comments are a slap in the face of the grieving parents and friends. A slap made with the bare fist!

Name me one person who has committed suicide from a GoG Forum post?

As much as I hate to say I agree with Kleetus on anything, he has a point.
If we silenced everybody with particular "offensive" viewpoints, where do you draw the line between expressing an opinion and downright censorship?
If the internet went by these laws, the entirety of FunnyJunk, 4chan, and parts of Reddit would be closed down.
If I were seriously that sensitive/suicidal, I would most probably have the sense not to be visiting those places.

Plus, the links you pointed out are about cyberbullying, not offensive viewpoints. There's a difference.
The whole "cyberbullying" thing is about people ganging up on/pretty much stalking an individual across the internet and harassing them, not posting something like "I WANT MUSLIMS TO DIE GRAAAAAAWWHAGLAGDJG!11111!!1!!!"
Posts are easy to ignore, continual stalking is not.


To get back to the point that dtgreene was making, I'm sure that her (and plenty other individuals) would love to see KingBradley7 banned due to his blatantly anti-homosexual comments, but you and me have had this discussion about him before, now haven't we?

Just realized something, this is the first time that both of us are discussing this, we had a similar conversation more than a year ago and i think that we can both agree that nothing has changed.

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/why_are_we_being_treated_like_second_class_citizens/page1

Yes agreed, GOG was never good with communicating this. And Yes I know some bugs/problems/whatever exist for more years as I am even being a member of GOG ;)

As Tstael would now say, you are rather passive aggressive (on insult meant for both of you ;) just a bit joking)

I never disputed that you have a reason. So no need to rub it into my face every time :P I got it ;)
And seriously, what I assumed otherwise I would have not continued anyway.

not sure how I shall understand this part.
my apologies for the bad wording on my side or leaving the wrong impression (makes me wonder were did this come from?) Could you please point me to it?
As I never wanted to leave this impression after HunchBluntley comment and previous exchange between the two of us.
EDIT: I see ;)
HunchBluntley only mentioned you as whatever ;) and I never knew that you were part of the target group as well. Only new it from a few others. Unfortunate I was forced offline for e few bit and did not see everything myself and only had to go with what was mentioned before.
But do admit, I did ask you, or?
I do agree so far that this is not right and not acceptable, BUT
just putting some reasoning in here ;)
Does GOG care? I would say, YES. Or why do they, including (no especially) guys like JudasIscariot are still talking with us (or me)? I gave him a hard time (sometimes) and he is still doing his job and more. And he is not the only one!
If they wouldn't care they would JUST IGNORE us right away!
No they still do LISTEN to us. Yes, they MIGHT not be ABLE or ALLOWED to do certain things.
And do you think they are ALLOWED to tell us everything?

The forum is a FREE bonus for us, so a lot of this work might be even unpaid work. How much energy to YOU spend on 'social' free work? (not attacking you ;) )

Moderation in the free time. You see FREE time.
Further: as some suggested forum members, maybe not possible because of software/server restrictions? again they would not be allowed to tell us.

Why did you let it out of the bag????

read what he used as a reference for when I engaged him.

The precise definition of cyber-bulling. Q.E.D.

And the rest of your post, not sure what it has to do with it.

KingBradley7 yes we had, and AFAIR I have not seem him acting like this outside of political threads. And I think on the case of cyber-bullying he would agree with me and not what you imply.
For his stance on anti-whatever, it is his OPINION same as you just expressed YOUR opinion. But downplaying cyber-bullying is never an OPINION, as I said, it is an insult for the grieving families.

And NOWHERE DID dtgreene IMPLIED what you just did. We were having an open discussion about what. You would need to start reading much much before.

EDIT: And you do KNOW that this forum is free for +13 years?
What dtgreene and myself had both in mind!
fixed a slight spelling mistake ;)
Oh yes, re-reading this thread gave me some good juggles ;)
And the sad side, nothing has really changed, agreed, but I do see the POSSIBILITY that with the new tools they had to implement things MIGHT change.
An why do you think I said I am disappointed? :P

You know who was left on someone's doorstep, figuratively speaking?

Moses.

Telika is in good company.

So is bags of flaming poop?

You're not about to catch me taking Kleetus' side in anything. I'm just saying in general, there's a fine line between suppressing hate speech and dipping into censorship.
I disagree, given what I know about dtgreene, but that's a much longer, much more complicated discussion which I don't feel like getting into, considering you and me have talked about it in circles for hours on end before.
Which is exactly how I want to keep it.
I'm not discussing cyberbullying, and I don't think that's what Kleetus was getting at, either. Of course, there's no way to know, seeing as I'm never sure exactly WHAT's running through Kleetus' mind.

My point, which I think he was making, was trying to ban people over perceived slights or not being extra-careful with their language or something.

I can't believe that I'm going to defend Kleetus. If words on a screen, from a person that you aren't even going to see IRL, are enough to cause someone to commit suicide they probably should not interact with anyone but a psychiatrist. The person can choose not to read the words.
I remember a couple sayings from when I was a kid, "Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me." and "I'm rubber you're glue, whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you.". It seems like now everyone is just waiting to be "offended". I find it hard to believe that in a short 40 years that we've gone from people with strong minds able to ignore minor insults to fragile flowers that can't continue living because of some words typed by a person that you don't even know.

Now that I've "offended" all of the people who live to be "offended" I wonder how long it'll take for my rep to go into the negative.