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kalirion: Can someone count how many people Trump has killed during his life?
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supplementscene: How many people are killed by:

gun manufactures?
tobacco manufacturers?
alcohol manufacturers?
US military?
You forgot one of the biggest ones, which was my point in creating this thread.
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supplementscene: How many people are killed by:

gun manufactures?
tobacco manufacturers?
alcohol manufacturers?
US military?
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OldFatGuy: You forgot one of the biggest ones, which was my point in creating this thread.
I literally did read it and forget it before making my reply. Short term memory problems....
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OldFatGuy: You forgot one of the biggest ones, which was my point in creating this thread.
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supplementscene: I literally did read it and forget it before making my reply. Short term memory problems....
LOL, I can relate to that.
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OldFatGuy:
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supplementscene: I literally did read it and forget it before making my reply. Short term memory problems....
It could be worse.
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supplementscene: I literally did read it and forget it before making my reply. Short term memory problems....
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tinyE: It could be worse.
I have tried watching that movie at least a dozen times, swearing each time I'm going to get through it (because the plot line seems so interesting) but I still never have. For whatever reason after half an hour to an hour, I'm squirming in my seat and looking for something else to do (usually fire up a game LOL).
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OldFatGuy: I have tried watching that movie at least a dozen times, swearing each time I'm going to get through it (because the plot line seems so interesting) but I still never have. For whatever reason after half an hour to an hour, I'm squirming in my seat and looking for something else to do (usually fire up a game LOL).
It's not for everyone. I loved it, but we all know how screwed up I am.
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OldFatGuy: I have tried watching that movie at least a dozen times, swearing each time I'm going to get through it (because the plot line seems so interesting) but I still never have. For whatever reason after half an hour to an hour, I'm squirming in my seat and looking for something else to do (usually fire up a game LOL).
I'm with you. But then again, that's my reaction to any Christopher Nolan movie. I don't care for his work.
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OldFatGuy: I have tried watching that movie at least a dozen times, swearing each time I'm going to get through it (because the plot line seems so interesting) but I still never have. For whatever reason after half an hour to an hour, I'm squirming in my seat and looking for something else to do (usually fire up a game LOL).
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tinyE: It's not for everyone. I loved it, but we all know how screwed up I am.
I really don't know why people act like this movie is some incredible mindfuck. I mean, it's original, clever and unpredictable, but not really nearly as hard to follow as many people make it out to be.
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tinyE: It's not for everyone. I loved it, but we all know how screwed up I am.
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Breja: I really don't know why people act like this movie is some incredible mindfuck. I mean, it's original, clever and unpredictable, but not really nearly as hard to follow as many people make it out to be.
On the DVD you can of course watch it in reverse, or chronologically, and I found that much harder than watching it the original way.
Post edited March 18, 2018 by tinyE
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CymTyr: I do not agree with the idea of a death penalty for drug dealers, but I also do not agree that drug dealers should get away with peddling meth and heroin with impunity.

There has to be some sort of middle ground here, folks. The heroin epidemic is so bad these days that you have to be kidding yourself to think that the problem needs TLC and it'll go away.
Too often, for whatever reason, the focus seems to be on the little guy. I think to resolve this and other problems, you need to think big picture.

For example, one of the complaints of the right here is illegal immigration, and how illegals should be rounded up and kicked out. I think if we want to get illegals out, the solution is not to raid people's homes at 3AM, or grab kids at school, but to go after the thing that keeps them here... jobs. Go after the businesses that use illegals, revoke their licenses, and with no jobs, the people will leave on their own.

The same with drugs. Don't go after Tim the college kid buying weed, or Ty the dealer being the only moneymaker in his familiy, go after the manufacturers. IIRC NPR had a story recently where it was discovered companies were sending thousands of pills a month to a small village of a hundred. OBVIOUSLY there wasn't that big a demand, those pills were going on the market. Yet the companies didn't care because they were getting paid, and "requests" for them to stop were ignored. The DEA agent who was about to bring major charges agaisnt them suddenly had his files needing "review", and he was eventually replaced. Seems like the money being made kept both the companies AND gvmt from putting a stop to it. AG Sessions said he wants to throw the book at the common criminals, yet like always, it's the big fish who are the real problem, and the ones who always get away.

Every year it's more and more clear that the US gvmt works to exploit the people, not serve them. Someone talked about how people don't value life anymore. Things like this trickle down from the top of society over time. So either they have to start caring, which won't happen unless they're forced, or the masses become violent and revolt. Until then, the rich and powerful will abuse the masses more every year.
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Breja: I really don't know why people act like this movie is some incredible mindfuck. I mean, it's original, clever and unpredictable, but not really nearly as hard to follow as many people make it out to be.
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tinyE: On the DVD you can of course watch it in reverse, or chronologically, and I found that much harder than watching it the original way.
I wouldn't even try. It would be like turning off the soundtrack in Blade Runner.
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tinyE: On the DVD you can of course watch it in reverse, or chronologically, and I found that much harder than watching it the original way.
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Breja: I wouldn't even try. It would be like turning off the soundtrack in Blade Runner.
A friend of mine once dropped acid and watched "Saturday Night Fever" with the sound off.
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CymTyr: I do not agree with the idea of a death penalty for drug dealers, but I also do not agree that drug dealers should get away with peddling meth and heroin with impunity.

There has to be some sort of middle ground here, folks. The heroin epidemic is so bad these days that you have to be kidding yourself to think that the problem needs TLC and it'll go away.
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BlueMooner: Too often, for whatever reason, the focus seems to be on the little guy. I think to resolve this and other problems, you need to think big picture.

For example, one of the complaints of the right here is illegal immigration, and how illegals should be rounded up and kicked out. I think if we want to get illegals out, the solution is not to raid people's homes at 3AM, or grab kids at school, but to go after the thing that keeps them here... jobs. Go after the businesses that use illegals, revoke their licenses, and with no jobs, the people will leave on their own.

The same with drugs. Don't go after Tim the college kid buying weed, or Ty the dealer being the only moneymaker in his familiy, go after the manufacturers. IIRC NPR had a story recently where it was discovered companies were sending thousands of pills a month to a small village of a hundred. OBVIOUSLY there wasn't that big a demand, those pills were going on the market. Yet the companies didn't care because they were getting paid, and "requests" for them to stop were ignored. The DEA agent who was about to bring major charges agaisnt them suddenly had his files needing "review", and he was eventually replaced. Seems like the money being made kept both the companies AND gvmt from putting a stop to it. AG Sessions said he wants to throw the book at the common criminals, yet like always, it's the big fish who are the real problem, and the ones who always get away.

Every year it's more and more clear that the US gvmt works to exploit the people, not serve them. Someone talked about how people don't value life anymore. Things like this trickle down from the top of society over time. So either they have to start caring, which won't happen unless they're forced, or the masses become violent and revolt. Until then, the rich and powerful will abuse the masses more every year.
Actually, I would look at things from a different angle; are those so-called "crimes" really so bad?

For example, when it comes to immigration, is it really that much of a problem if uncontrolled immigration happens? Is having an influx of immigration really a big deal? Would it be that much of a problem if the US, by treaty, unconditionally legalized immigration with its neighbors? (For the sake of argument, let's assume things go both ways.) Would the US actually be getting more immigrants coming in than those who decide to leave the US?

So, in the case of illegal immigration, I think the best solution is to change the laws so that all immigration is legal; that means there's no more illegal immigration, and the problem is solved.

Drugs are a bit trickier; I would need to look at some careful studies of a drug to make a decision here, and that decision might depend on what the drug is.

Edit: Since this post is "low rated", could you please kindly explain what I did wrong here? In particular, what did I do here that worsens the forum experience for others? (If you can't answer the question, you shouldn't downvote this post.)
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dtgreene: So, in the case of illegal immigration, I think the best solution is to change the laws so that all immigration is legal; that means there's no more illegal immigration, and the problem is solved.
After that we should consider legalizing 'rape' and only refer to it as 'surprise sex'. No more rape and the problem is solved.
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dtgreene: Actually, I would look at things from a different angle; are those so-called "crimes" really so bad?

For example, when it comes to immigration, is it really that much of a problem if uncontrolled immigration happens? Is having an influx of immigration really a big deal? Would it be that much of a problem if the US, by treaty, unconditionally legalized immigration with its neighbors? (For the sake of argument, let's assume things go both ways.) Would the US actually be getting more immigrants coming in than those who decide to leave the US?

So, in the case of illegal immigration, I think the best solution is to change the laws so that all immigration is legal; that means there's no more illegal immigration, and the problem is solved.
Ask the people at the bottom who depend on social services how they feel about having to compete with an increasing population that is mostly dirt poor, for resources that are being cut annually.