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Posted March 18, 2018
It always amazes me how progressives want open borders, discounting all the violence, murder, gang warfare, and drugs brought in by many illegals, and also in the same breath, how conservatives "vow" they're going to make corporations pay for using legal "illegal" slave labor, yet have no intention of going against their corporate masters.

It's kind of amazing that people still think that by us opening our borders we're going to make peace with all the billions of people who hate us, at home and abroad.

It's also amazing that neither party talks much about how arabs have been caught coming through the holes in the southern border, disguised as South and Central Americans. I can guarantee you, they're not coming through in search of a "better life" just like I can guarantee that both political parties in the US have the same masters. Do you want to talk about the refugees who claim to be teenagers and have greying hair and wrinkled faces?

Wake up. I don't care how much you think the world is going to get along by us laying down and taking it in the ass, it's not. Trump's methods aren't much better, but again, there has to be a middle ground.

As far as the people responsible for the drugs on the street - you can't touch them. The problem is not the supply, it's the demand.

And if you missed it the first time, people do not value life. These kids shooting up schools because daddy didn't love them is bullshit. These kids shooting bullies instead of just beating their asses is bullshit.

Only cowards commit random acts of extreme violence. I was scared to death of the class bully in second grade. I would piss myself. He used to steal my lunch, take my milk money, and make fun of me for being white. One day I snapped, and beat his ass. He never bothered me again.

Did I resort to extreme violence? No. A little ass beating is usually good for most people, unless they're chronically abused.

And as far as being taught not to value life, that definitely is a trickle down effect, and for a reason. The upper class doesn't give a damn about the working class. Never has, never will. Here in the US, greed is king, and that isn't a problem that's easily fixed, because the people most often falling victim to the upper class's greed, are the most vocal supporters of it.
Posted March 18, 2018
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Vainamoinen: snip
Something tells me if the shoe was on the other foot, if for example we were talking about mass migration from white Christian countries into say majority muslim countries for whatever reason (natural disaster, war, famine, etc) we would be having a very different conversation.

You would be fooling yourself if you don't think Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc. would be radically changed by the shifting demographics and culture.
Posted March 19, 2018
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dtgreene: Except that, of course, Mexico *is* in America. America isn't just the US, you know.
I know what you are saying, but your reporters, news anchors use the term America when referring to your country. You can also hear the same in your TV shows, movies, commercials etc... You pretty much started that.
Posted March 19, 2018
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dtgreene: Except that, of course, Mexico *is* in America. America isn't just the US, you know.
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Cambrey: I know what you are saying, but your reporters, news anchors use the term America when referring to your country. You can also hear the same in your TV shows, movies, commercials etc... You pretty much started that.
I live on the US/Canada border and talk to Canadians ALL THE TIME, many stay here, and they always refer to people in the States and Americans, and themselves as Canadians.

To quote a skit from "The Kids in the Hall", Scott Thompson as The Queen of England, '...Canada, if you didn't have us, you'd just be Americans.'
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Posted March 19, 2018
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Those countries would never allow something like this, in much of the Islamic world even the minorities with roots well before the coming of Islam are viciously oppressed, forcibly Islamized or expelled. One of the great trends of our times, but barely remarked upon in Western media because it's not politically correct to notice, is that the Islamic world is getting ever more homogenous because of the ethnic cleansing of communities like Aramaeans, Mandaeans etc.
They do have a lot of foreigners in Saudi-Arabia of course, but they have no rights, and the guest workers from the Philippines etc. are basically treated like slaves.
Posted March 19, 2018
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This actually segues into what I have earlier referred to as my nuke. Here goes...

What about the historical migration of white people from Europe to the Americas? What about the white people taking over and forcing the native population (who was there first, I might add) to live on reservations? What about the time the white male president ordered native populations moved (and in many cases marched to their deaths), despite the Supreme Court of the US saying no?

In a sense, it is hypocritical of white people, after having taken land from the natives, to not allow other people into the country.

(If you want to know more about this topic, look up the "Trail of Tears".)

Edit: I should also mention the displacement of native culture by white culture. You can see this happening with religion, where the Europeans made an effort to convert the natives to Christianity.
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Posted March 19, 2018
wowey title said something about DP for DD's and now it's an all out FN-Campaigning station here

Is this normal for GoG forums?

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dtgreene: This actually segues into what I have earlier referred to as my nuke. Here goes...

What about the historical migration of white people from Europe to the Americas? What about the white people taking over and forcing the native population (who was there first, I might add) to live on reservations? What about the time the white male president ordered native populations moved (and in many cases marched to their deaths), despite the Supreme Court of the US saying no?

In a sense, it is hypocritical of white people, after having taken land from the natives, to not allow other people into the country.

(If you want to know more about this topic, look up the "Trail of Tears".)

Edit: I should also mention the displacement of native culture by white culture. You can see this happening with religion, where the Europeans made an effort to convert the natives to Christianity.
Something tells me BK won't listen to facts and say something about "That was a long time ago we have to focus on the now."
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Posted March 19, 2018
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pathanreynn: wowey title said something about DP for DD's and now it's an all out FN-Campaigning station here

Is this normal for GoG forums?
FN?

And it goes up and down as far as these topics. I have to admit while I would like it if there were no threads like this, I get crazy when I read some of the post and end up replying to them, thus keeping them going. If I was a better, smarter person, I'd just ignore it.

At least the InfoWars thread is gone.
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Posted March 19, 2018
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pathanreynn: wowey title said something about DP for DD's and now it's an all out FN-Campaigning station here

Is this normal for GoG forums?
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tinyE: FN?

And it goes up and down as far as these topics. I have to admit while I would like it if there were no threads like this, I get crazy when I read some of the post and end up replying to them, thus keeping them going. If I was a better, smarter person, I'd just ignore it.
FN, you know, Stehpie Bannons new Burgerplace

Yeah I guess politics are a trigger-topic for most people anyway. So one controversial thing leads to the next. Especially with an international community like here. You get to see a lot of "Foreign Experts" who like to explain Natives what their country is all about but when you try to tell them something about their own country they go all defensive Nationalist.
Post edited March 19, 2018 by pathanreynn
Posted March 19, 2018
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tinyE: FN?

And it goes up and down as far as these topics. I have to admit while I would like it if there were no threads like this, I get crazy when I read some of the post and end up replying to them, thus keeping them going. If I was a better, smarter person, I'd just ignore it.
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pathanreynn: Yeah I guess politics are a trigger-topic for most people anyway. So one controversial thing leads to the next. Especially with an international community like here. You get to see a lot of "Foreign Experts" who like to explain Natives what their country is all about but when you try to tell them something about their own country they go all "U NO TALK SHIT ABOUT MURICA I AM THE CHEESEBURGA YU HER ME?!"
or idk, i don't speak capitalist.
I'm an american, I'm just not a really proud one right now, so for my location setting I bounce between Haiti and Madagascar. :P I wish they'd give us Antarctica as a choice. Right now there is some scientist down there, wants to come in here on their free time, play some Witcher, but they can't tell people where they are. :P
Posted March 19, 2018
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dtgreene: In a sense, it is hypocritical of white people, after having taken land from the natives, to not allow other people into the country.
This argument only works for the US and other European-descended settler societies like Canada or Australia though, it's irrelevant for Europe.
And controlling immigration is just a basic part of national sovereignty. If you don't control your borders, you're de facto dissolving your country as a sovereign state.
Posted March 19, 2018
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pathanreynn: Yeah I guess politics are a trigger-topic for most people anyway. So one controversial thing leads to the next. Especially with an international community like here. You get to see a lot of "Foreign Experts" who like to explain Natives what their country is all about but when you try to tell them something about their own country they go all "U NO TALK SHIT ABOUT MURICA I AM THE CHEESEBURGA YU HER ME?!"
or idk, i don't speak capitalist.
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tinyE: I'm an american, I'm just not a really proud one right now, so for my location setting I bounce between Haiti and Madagascar. :P I wish they'd give us Antarctica as a choice. Right now there is some scientist down there, wants to come in here on their free time, play some Witcher, but they can't tell people where they are. :P
And they would probably type like a 5 year old due to the Brain-Freeze....oh wait
Posted March 19, 2018
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dtgreene: In a sense, it is hypocritical of white people, after having taken land from the natives, to not allow other people into the country.
No it isn't. You are conflating two seperate issues. If America's culture (or any soverign nation's culture) is replaced via force by means of war then that is normal progression if you are loser in said war. Which is what happen to natives living in North America, who weren't any type of real soverign nation but lost to the opposing factions that came from Europe.

If you peacfully migrate to an established nation via mass miagration and replace the ruling culture then you have invaded said country without a actual war. This can easy be prevented and should be via immigration control. People need time to adapt to new people and new people need time to adapt to new places, otherwise you get a cultural shock.

Nobody said that we should not allow people into the country, I said we should not allow unchecked immigration that happens illegally into the country to the point where culture is replaced rather than integrated.

And it's beyond stupid to single out "white" people as not wanting immigration when many black Americans and hispanic Americans also don't wanted unchecked immigration.
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morolf: Those countries would never allow something like this, in much of the Islamic world even the minorities with roots well before the coming of Islam are viciously oppressed, forcibly Islamized or expelled. One of the great trends of our times, but barely remarked upon in Western media because it's not politically correct to notice, is that the Islamic world is getting ever more homogenous because of the ethnic cleansing of communities like Aramaeans, Mandaeans etc.
They do have a lot of foreigners in Saudi-Arabia of course, but they have no rights, and the guest workers from the Philippines etc. are basically treated like slaves.
Yes this was more of a hypothetical, rather than a pratical example... but you are correct.
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Posted March 19, 2018
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dtgreene: This actually segues into what I have earlier referred to as my nuke. Here goes...

What about the historical migration of white people from Europe to the Americas? What about the white people taking over and forcing the native population (who was there first, I might add) to live on reservations? What about the time the white male president ordered native populations moved (and in many cases marched to their deaths), despite the Supreme Court of the US saying no?

In a sense, it is hypocritical of white people, after having taken land from the natives, to not allow other people into the country.

(If you want to know more about this topic, look up the "Trail of Tears".)

Edit: I should also mention the displacement of native culture by white culture. You can see this happening with religion, where the Europeans made an effort to convert the natives to Christianity.
You have a VERY childish view of the world. There is not one country that isn't guilty of some horrible crime involving invading another country or tribal land. Well before white feet had set upon 'American' soil Native Americans had been taking each other into slavery... or even better ritual sacrifice.

The real question is how do you feel about the US today? If viewed as a flawed but positive place then it's values, culture and beliefs should be PROTECTED. If you've bought into the lie that the US is nothing but an 'evil' entity from the ground and start up then your ridiculous opinions on open borders make sense.

You aren't a liberal... I'M more of a liberal than you are.
Posted March 19, 2018
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dtgreene: This actually segues into what I have earlier referred to as my nuke. Here goes...

What about the historical migration of white people from Europe to the Americas? What about the white people taking over and forcing the native population (who was there first, I might add) to live on reservations? What about the time the white male president ordered native populations moved (and in many cases marched to their deaths), despite the Supreme Court of the US saying no?

In a sense, it is hypocritical of white people, after having taken land from the natives, to not allow other people into the country.

(If you want to know more about this topic, look up the "Trail of Tears".)

Edit: I should also mention the displacement of native culture by white culture. You can see this happening with religion, where the Europeans made an effort to convert the natives to Christianity.
Wasn't much of a nuke to be honest. The migration of Europeans to the Americas and the aftermath has been discussed ad nauseam in society.

Also, I wouldn't be so quick to point out the displacement of the native culture that occurred as an example to support your position. Such displacement is a natural consequence of migration and has been going on since ancient times or before. Making it sound like something only "whites" did is disingenuous.
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