I remember that excuse by Paradox/Obsidian being dumped on us. What "technical limitations"? They never cared to elaborate their statement, GOG didn't mention anything either. What I also find very irritating is that if I contact Obsidian they will send me to Paradox because it's the publisher and in turn Paradox would send me to GOG because they are the distributor.

So again what technical limitations? A game that comes to mind is Don't Starve, which has 4 items on GOG: 1 Main Game, 2 DLC's and a Bundle which is the Main Game and Both DLC's so offering upgrade paths is technically possible. Putting it bluntly, what is GOG waiting for to break the radio silence?

Worse, I want PoE but they refuse to offer upgrades due to it being impossible to offer upgrades on gog(bullshit)

If it's not possible to upgrade packages, they should sell the soundtrack and other bonuses separately. Plenty of other developers do already

Based on what I recall at that time Ganni1987 posted on the Obsidian forum, but didn't directly contact Paradox, I don't recall anyone else saying they did. Also it was months after Pillars of Eternity went on sale and therefore after the prime sales period which might have influenced why Ganni1987 received the excuse of so-called "technical difficulties"...

If a business that distributes a product (the game in this case) and you feel that the product does not meet your satisfaction (such as not offering upgrade paths between the different versions of the game) don't you think it would be more likely to have your concerns addressed if you directly contacted the the manufacturer and/or distributor (Paradox) of that product rather than complaining on the forums of the developer (Obsidian) or retailer (GOG)?

You do realize that GOG is not the 800lb. gorilla of digital game distribution and cannot dictate terms to publishers such as Steam probably more-or-less can? Have you not ever heard how the 800lb. gorilla of bick-and-motar retail, Walmart, more-or-less dictates terms to even the largest manufacturers, distributors, etc. due to the fact that they are the largest retailer in the world and if Walmart refuses to carry your product that would be a huge loss of revenue?...

In light of all this doesn't it make more sense for multiple individuals interested in the availability for upgrade paths to directly contact Paradox with this request as soon as possible (before the game is released)?...

Yup, GOG is not the 800lb gorilla that Steam is, but that is no excuse for selling the same game and screwing your customers over DLC content that is available for half the price on a different site. I made my homework long ago with Pillars of Eternity, with and without discounts and the result was always the same = 50% cheaper on Steam and by that I mean a 22 Dollar difference in your currency.

As for Paradox (which is the Publisher), I slapped my letter on their forums this time. There's almost a month's time to prepare, so hopefully they'll make things right till then.

Wasn't it established in the old thread you posted on the Obs forums that it was in Paradox's hands?

i.e. GOG does offer upgrade paths (and Paradox's suggestion that it's 'a technical issue with GOG technology' is utter bullshit, seeing how plenty of other games on GOG offer upgrades). This seems to suggest that Paradox just doesn't think it's worth the overhead in creating a GOG version of DLC/upgrades, as they don't feel there's enough demand for it here.

*edit* Oops, apologies. Very late to this party.

For anyone wanting some numbers and math here's the difference of Pillars of Eternity on Steam vs GOG (calculations done in Euro):

If you buy PoE Hero Edition on Steam 41.99e + Upgrading to Champion Edition 13e that's a total of: 54.99e
If you buy PoE Hero Edition on GOG 41.99e + "Upgrading" to Champion Edition 54.99e that's a total of: 96.98e

What you see above is the effect of the lack of upgrade paths for Pillars of Eternity on GOG. Most likely the same thing is about to happen again with Tyranny since it's another game by the same developer (Obsidian) and same publisher (Paradox) as PoE.

Now before you go to splurge your money, think for a moment if it's right that you as a GOG user would have to pay more for exactly the same content that is available for much cheaper on a different site. Vote with your wallet people.

@GR00T: I hope they don't think it that way, because there's gonna be 1 less GOG sale from me for this game unless they rectify this issue. I'm not about to support this kind of practice anytime soon.

I have to say I'm surprised to see so many people raging about the lack of upgrade paths for PoE (and likely for Tyranny). I mean, I always thought special editions were a rather niche thing, reserved for real fans of the game or developer. So I really wouldn't have expected this issue to actually affect more than a tiny minority of customers.

Seriously, be honest. How many of you actually wanted to upgrade between different editions of PoE and had to shell out full price again? Or are you just bitching for bitching's sake, about a purely hypothetical situation?

I mean, I can understand not liking this in terms of principle (GOGers being again treated like second-class customers compared to Steam, etc...) and I don't like it either, but you make it seem like a huge issue when imo it probably didn't affect more than a handful of customers.

I bought the PoE base game, loved it and definitely wanted to upgrade, in particular to get the sound track but also because I thought the base price was actually too cheap for the quality and expanse of the game. So yes, the lack of upgrade paths was annoying to me. However, eventually a sale came around that made it possible to achieve all the above aims without paying twice the asking price.

I don't mind multiple editions as long as upgrades are possible. It does allow all to get the real meat, the game, without breaking the bank and it does allow strong fans of the game to pay more to support the developers, whilst gettig some goodies to immerse themselves deeper in the lore.

Pre-order bonuses vs a pre-order price discount - I actually prefer the former because the latter punishes those who wish to wait for reviews, whereas the former are always non-essential game items that you wouldn't miss if you didn't even know they existed.

Steam vs GOG - I treat GOG somewhat akin to the mum and dad store down the road that I want to support, even though they can sometimes be more expensive than the multi-chain, bad service department stores. And DRM-free is a big part of why I support GOG. Even then, maybe because of the Australia Tax on everything and Obsidian's quality on PoE, the asking price for the base game is good value. It does beat retail store game prices when you compare it to most new releases and arguably, if it's like PoE, it's a much better game than most, too.

Digital pricing vs physical - I think they will always be on par at release time, otherwise the digital price would undercut the physical and it would be harder for the distributor to estimate sales or 'guarantee' being able to clear physical stock. A purely digital game, without any physical releases, is another matter. However, that can still be counterbalanced depending on how much was invested in development and how many sales they estimate to make. At the end of the day, the pricing has to allow the developer to recoup their investment and not all costs and sales are equal.

That's true, GOG should have an exchange program where we can get bags for credit :P

I'm happy it's coming here, but I won't buy unless it has an upgrade option for the other additions, seems silly not to!
Also their DLC policy is terrible.

Hear, hear!

Even with *all of the noteworthy bonuses like the soundtrack and art book stuff*.

Hear, hear once more.

From someone that's just support rep on Paradix forums: "Have you asked GoG? From what you say it seems like this is a choice they have made. not Paradox .... "

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/a-letter-concerning-upgrade-paths-in-tyranny-on-gog-com.974498/#post-21960436


That'd be weird/unlikely, as GOG does upgrade paths for other games here.

From what I see, he tried to be a jerk. I checked that "AndrewT"s other posts and he is not a very smart or nice person. He spoke without any piece of information and tried to blame the other side.

Perhaps a tweet direct to Frederik Wester may get a factual reply, rather than guess work.