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Posted August 27, 2019
Trine 4: The Nightmare Prince is now available for pre-order. Buy Trine 4 before release to get access to special bonus level - Toby's Dream.

The Trine series returns to the magic of 2.5D with Trine 4: The Nightmare Prince! The three heroes of the best-selling adventure series are back, sent on a quest to retrieve the troubled young Prince Selius. Amadeus the Wizard, Pontius the Knight, and Zoya the Thief are joined together once again on a thrilling quest through fantastical fairytale landscapes teeming with danger.
Posted August 28, 2019
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JoelFB: Hey guys, Joel from Frozenbyte here (wow looks like my old account still works!). Just wanted to say something about the DLC level: We will release Toby's Dream to everybody in a free update at a later date, pre-ordering simply gives you "Launch Day Access" to it. We thought this was a nice compromise and reward for users who pre-order without screwing over people who buy later, but we probably could have worded it better, sorry!
Alright. Thanks for the info. I'll but it back on my wishlist to buy after release.
Posted August 28, 2019
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Magmarock: Yeah I’ve been using Microsoft products since the DOS days as well, and neither Windows or DOS has ever been as annoying as Linux. If you have to compare Linux of today; to how Windows was 20 years ago. You’re kind of making my point for me.
At the time I started using Linux I had over 20 years of experience with DOS & Windows, and while I have encountered many annoyances with Linux there has been nothing worse than what I've encountered during my time with DOS/Windows, and it's much preferable to the utter BS that there is with using Windows 8.x and (especially) Win10.

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Magmarock: Again, there’s not a lot I can add here I pretty much agree with everything said. My gripe comes from the fact that GOG and Steam as well as game developers continue to waste time with it. Or rather continue to pander to an ungrateful community where there’s no profit.
Profit naturally varies from game to game - some are wildly more successful than others, but there are a lot of factors involved.

As has been shown repeatedly in statistics from Humble Bundles, the Linux community is in general a lot more generous and grateful than Windows/Mac users. I personally donate regularly to support Linux Mint, I bought a lifetime subscription for CrossOver to support Wine development, I've bought games due to their Linux support that I wouldn't otherwise have considered (and due to this discovered some games I actually like a lot), I've also spent a *lot* of money buying gift keys for Linux-compatible games for the many giveaways I've done here in support of Linux, etc...

Plus Linux support isn't necessarily about the direct return - it also helps by creating more "buzz" about a game, with more people talking about (and recommending) it, increasing search engine results, etc. which helps boost sales on other platforms too.

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Magmarock: The entitlement of the Linux community; while desktop-Linux continues to remain in this fractured state both baffles me and frustrates me. I too use VM’s to check up on it now and then to see if there’s been improvements.
People like you keep going on about how "fractured" Linux is, but I've been using Linux daily since 2013 on all of my PCs (and in some VMs) and in my experience it's really not been an issue at all. Generally speaking, it doesn't matter what distro you use, as long as it's reasonably up to date and as long as developers follow the standards that have been adopted.
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Posted August 28, 2019
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adamhm: At the time I started using Linux I had over 20 years of experience with DOS & Windows, and while I have encountered many annoyances with Linux there has been nothing worse than what I've encountered during my time with DOS/Windows, and it's much preferable to the utter BS that there is with using Windows 8.x and (especially) Win10.
I don’t care. I don’t see how this has any relevance on anything. Are you trying to convince me that Linux is better; or yourself? I’m not going to change my mind on this no matter how many years you say you’ve used it. I still find Windows easier to use and yes that includes Windows 10. Especially if you know how to edit the registry.
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adamhm: Profit naturally varies from game to game - some are wildly more successful than others, but there are a lot of factors involved.
When there are multiple accounts of developers (including this very thread) saying that Linux is a time consuming headache to develop for, and the returns don’t justify the investment. I tend to believe them.
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adamhm: People like you keep going on about how "fractured" Linux is, but I've been using Linux daily since 2013
Haven’t you gone over this before? This is the 3rd time you’ve mentioned that you’ve used Linux for years and the second time in this very response post. Yeah I get it, you’ve used Linux for years and it’s better then Windows. The more you repeat yourself the less convinced I am.
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Posted August 28, 2019
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Magmarock: I don’t care. I don’t see how this has any relevance on anything. Are you trying to convince me that Linux is better; or yourself? I’m not going to change my mind on this no matter how many years you say you’ve used it. I still find Windows easier to use and yes that includes Windows 10. Especially if you know how to edit the registry.
That's fine, don't use Linux then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Nobody's forcing you to

I keep responding because you just seem to be obsessed with bitching about it, often repeating the same arguments that have been debunked over and over previously

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Magmarock: When there are multiple accounts of developers (including this very thread) saying that Linux is a time consuming headache to develop for, and the returns don’t justify the investment. I tend to believe them.
And there are multiple accounts of developers saying otherwise. As I said, it varies, and it's greatly dependent on the developer's experience/skills.

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Magmarock: Haven’t you gone over this before? This is the 3rd time you’ve mentioned that you’ve used Linux for years and the second time in this very response post. Yeah I get it, you’ve used Linux for years and it’s better then Windows. The more you repeat yourself the less convinced I am.
Yes, just as you keep popping up and making the same debunked arguments over and over again.
Post edited August 28, 2019 by adamhm
Posted August 28, 2019
I used Windows up to Windows 7. Have Windows 10 at work. And have used Linux Mint at home, for the last few years without any version of Windows (dual boot before that). Absolutely no doubt what is the easiest to use, what gives me less trouble, and what wastes less time with various issues. Linux Mint simply works. Windows at work (and when I used it privately before that) will throw all kinds of problems. And will randomly overrule whatever I'm doing myself. Suddenly the PC restarts because it has decided to download "something". Updates take forever, and the PC is not useable then. And Windows has a marvellous preference for doing this while I'm busy with something important. Oh shit. Guess I'll grab a coffee and do nothing for the next 30-60 minutes while Windows tries to unfuck itself.

Overall using Windows has been and still is a very frustrating experience. I never feel in control, and of course with the recent versions there is more and more surveillance going on as well, which I certainly don't want. With Linux Mint stuff simply works out of the box, give or take. Easy to find settings here or there, easy to make updates, the PC is also functioning normally, no need to restart over and over again. I'm certainly not going back.

That said, people are of course free to keep using Windows if that is what they prefer. I'm glad there is an alternative.
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adamhm: Yes, just as you keep popping up and making the same debunked arguments over and over again.
Well if you're going to ignore reality you might as well go all the way. Hey wasn't this thread supposed to be about Trine 4 at some point.
Posted August 28, 2019
I'm not ignoring reality at all - I'm speaking from the experiences I've had every day for the past ~6.5 years that I've been using Linux as my PC's primary (and as of two years ago, only) OS.
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Pangaea666: I used Windows up to Windows 7. Have Windows 10 at work.
Windows 10 LTSC try to get that.
Posted August 28, 2019
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Magmarock: Windows 10 LTSC try to get that.
Didn't you just complain about the fragmentation of Linux distros? :D
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Pangaea666: I used Windows up to Windows 7. Have Windows 10 at work.
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Magmarock: Windows 10 LTSC try to get that.
If you mean at home, then no. I'm not downgrading to Windows, whatever version.

At work I have no choice, and must use whatever they give us. I tried to warn them when they wanted to give all their data to Facebook via Workplace, but nobody wanted to listen.

Have anybody tried Windows RG btw? It's pretty cool :P

Slightly off-topic from Trine 4 here, but yeah.... :D
Post edited August 28, 2019 by Pangaea666
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adamhm: (...) I created a common dependencies meta-package for Linux Mint to install the dependencies that are most likely to be needed - that (in addition to the usual system updates/drivers/etc) is enough for most games to "just work".
Thanks! I've somehow missed that.
Installed. Thank you!
Posted August 28, 2019
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Magmarock: Especially if you know how to edit the registry.
I'm surprised you are complaining about having to install a few dependencies over dealing with the registry. I know how to deal with the registry too, and would still be running Windows 3.11 today if it were viable just to keep the registry off my computer.
Posted August 28, 2019
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Posted August 29, 2019
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JoelFB: Hey guys, Joel from Frozenbyte here (wow looks like my old account still works!). Just wanted to say something about the DLC level: We will release Toby's Dream to everybody in a free update at a later date, pre-ordering simply gives you "Launch Day Access" to it. We thought this was a nice compromise and reward for users who pre-order without screwing over people who buy later, but we probably could have worded it better, sorry!
That sounds a lot better. But indeed, you initially could have worded it better. :P
So I'll wait for the complete edition arriving on GOG.

But then there's the other problem, the lack of a Linux version. Is there any hope that Trine 4 will get a Linux version like all the previous games?
Posted August 29, 2019
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JoelFB: Re: Linux, while the above is true in a way, we have found in practice that it really helps if Linux (and even more so Mac) work is done by programmers who are passionate about the platform. Right now we don't really have those people. That said, if Linux/Mac was selling a lot of units, I'm sure we'd find a way. I think Trine 3 or Shadwen were our last Linux/Mac releases and they didn't sell well (talking about percentages of Windows sales). Combined it means that it's just too much of an effort for us right now.
OK, that's sad to hear.
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