B1tF1ghter: Stop with all the "nobody is forcing you" because it's a captain obvious kind of counterargument and it actually doesn't change validity of my point.
toxicTom: Indeed it doesn't. IMO, your point is, and stays, invalid. Still nobody is forced to pay for the upgrade. And it's Captain Obvious because it's, well, obvious. Arguments are not wrong because the are obvious, on the contrary.
My point is totally valid but you can't or perhaps won't see that apparently.
What you are saying all this time is "nobody is forced to obtain it".
And what I am saying is "original version owners should not be forced to PAY for this upgrade".
Perhaps it flew over your head that I said "unspoken / unofficial rule of the industry".
It's an unofficial industry standard to provide remastered versions to owners of the original versions.
I will not repeat it for the third time.
And it "just so happens" that this industry is divided into 2 parts:
1.Those game developers that value their consumers trust - those give those remasters for free.
2.Those who decide to go for money grab no matter what - and those will just not get the money from the previous consumers for the most time.
Group 2 is sound, but group 1 is arguably more representative nowadays. It's far more fair for the consumer.
And, for the second time:
STOP with all the "nobody is forcing you".
Are you like paid or something?
"Nobody is forcing you" to defend questionable decisions not made by you.
You seem to fail to understand that NOWHERE in my posts I stated that I am speaking for myself as in "I own this game".
I am speaking for others.
I am voicing a valid concern. I am commenting on debatable morality decision of developer / publisher.
Apparently it has hurt your personal feelings that I "dared" to defend my argument.
toxicTom: Frankly, I don't understand why people always feel so
entitled. I like free stuff as much as the next person, but if someone puts time and money into a product, it's their choice if they put a price-tag on it, and how much they ask. It's up to the customer to decide if the asked price is worth it.
Do specificly "I" feel entitled in your opinion? Can you prove it? You actually cannot.
I didn't speak for myself here. I am speaking for the good of others.
Because there is still time to change things so raising such concern early is better.
toxicTom: It would be a different matter if the original game was in some way incomplete or broken. Asking money for fixing your own product would be indeed outrageous. But that's simply not the case here.
Oh yeah?
And how do you know that the responsible developers will NOT go all "we won't fix it in the original version, go buy remaster" route should there be new problems discovered in the original version some point after now?
They seem to be delisting it after the release so that's probably what's going to happen.
toxicTom: For all I care they could put out a remaster every year, with more or less added content or improvements (EA style...). I'm free to totally ignore that, and you are too.
Wow. So you support anticonsumer practises? Congratulations. I won't do that.
toxicTom: But no... for once a dev makes an - IMO - fair offer,
It's debatable. Also I will once more reiterate on that I don't question price tag size just it's sole *existence* EXCLUSIVELY in regards to original version owners.
toxicTom: someone comes along calling it
Do you have a problem with constructive criticism?
I specificly said:
B1tF1ghter: many would say
B1tF1ghter: it's unneeded
this early (edit: spacing fixed)
toxicTom: "debatable nature of the added worth"
Until directly proven (which CANNOT be done before the release) it IS debatable. Based on marketing materials and limited public info it's HIGHLY debatable.
toxicTom: and "forced", and despite all that (which sounds like "go away, I don't want it"), they still want it, but
for free of course.
No, actually id doesn't. It only reinforces my point, which is: considering the circumstanes (1.This "remaster" being so DARN EARLY after release [because of it it's questionable if there is even a point to make it THIS EARLY] 2.Seemingly limited gain from upgrading to it) it seems quite forced.
THEREFORE the potential gain for original owners is just LOW and THEREFORE the potential for obtaining the money from those consumers is SMALL.
THEREFORE it could be highly worth to exchange very small amount of money obtained from milking original owners "on a discount" for a positive PR in form of "original owners get remaster for free".
Of course it's up to the developer / publisher to decide.
But that doesn't void my points nor does it void my right to criticise their choices.
I am NOT personally attacking YOU. I am criticising and debating THEIR decision.
While it seems YOU are ACUTALLY personally attacking me.
You seem to really have taken this personally and I just don't understand why.
You definitely have some. But keep them for yourself.
Also I would appreciate if you would stop pouring your personal salt collection upon me /s
toxicTom: In the end, nobody is entitled to free stuff. If upgrades are made available for free (like CDPR did, or Hello Games) it's a matter of calculation and a marketing decision, to make the product more attractive. But it's equally valid to ask money for it.
I'm sorry, perhaps I missed something from your massive closet wisdom, but when EXACTLY did CDPR start making remasters of their games?
Because I don't think I'm missing anything and you just seem to be confusing terms.
Free season pass isn't a direct analogy to a free remaster BY ANY MEANS EVER.
toxicTom: I actually know people both in the games and the movie industry. But that's not even the point, this is about selling games or movies, and the reality is that movies are way worse in terms of customer friendliness - there simply are no free or cheap upgrades to "better" editions, there is simply no mechanism for that. You're always expected to pay full price, first in the cinema, then for the disk release (or DRM'd streaming), and again for the director's cut/extended edition/redux/whatever.
"Nobody is forcing you" to shill and advocate for them.
Their decision is questionable. That's why I am questioning it openly.
What is it here that you don't understand? (in before you say another "nobody forces YOU to buy it" like some form of a personal attack)
toxicTom: We should be happy that games nowadays offer a better service here, and that was my point. Back in the day of physical editions we would have been forced to buy the new "Enhanced" box for the full price - just like with movies.
It's funny how your own statements contradict your own beliefs without you noticing it.
You seem to be stuck in that belief that "it's ok to pay for a remaster when you already bought the original" while simulatenously you NOTICE that "times changed".
Yet you fail to acknowledge that not only times changed but also industry developer behaviours standards changed too.
Nowadays it's more positive to give it for free to original owners (since it 1.Gives you lots of positive PR 2.There isn't really going to be much income from those consumers anyway).
And virtually majority of developers seem to at least WANT to go that way.
That's why I said that it SHOULD be like that in this case too.
I am standing up here for the collective good of original owners. I am not attacking YOU.
Yet you go all "HOW DARE YOU" (in form of "nobody forces you to buy it").
Seriosuly. Grow some common sense.