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Posted November 13, 2018
And way down we go.

Descent (2019) is now available for pre-order DRM-free. Grab it until November 20th, 6PM UTC and get Descent 3 for FREE. Owners of Descent: Underground will also receive Descent 2019 (+ Descent 3) in their library.
If you already own Descent 3, please contact Support to get a code for a friend.

When thrilling dogfights and six degrees of freedom fell for each other, Descent began! Now it returns with gusto: pick a class, jump inside one of 20 customizable ships and fly down to the ruthless underground where a battle over resources rages in single-player and multiplayer mode.
Posted November 16, 2018
Actual Decent makers develop https://www.gog.com/game/overload now.
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Posted November 17, 2018
OK Now I am TOTALLY F***ing confused! Descent 2019 or Overload! Which is it?
Can somebody help a brother out?
Thanks!!
Posted November 17, 2018
I impulse-bought the in-development version of this but was disappointed when they pulled it from GOG.com. I now refuse to spend money on anything unless there is a tangible end product.

Will probably buy this eventually - but I'll wait for proof of the final product.
Posted November 17, 2018
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richlind33: Were people who bought the in-dev version given refunds?
No, but Descent Underground wasn't taken away from them either, we just didn't get any further updates to the game, but we could continue on playing. But we do get this Descent (2019) game when it releases at no extra charge.

Considering I bought Descent Underground for like $12, and they are going to sell it for $40, I think I am getting a pretty good deal out of this.
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GOG.com: Owners of Descent: Underground will also receive Descent 2019 (+ Descent 3) in their library.
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ewhac: Well, that's some sort of consolation prize to those of us who bought it, I guess.

However, I've been having entirely serviceable fun with Everspace, SubLevel Zero, and Overload -- the latter in very active development -- so I'm not sure what's left for an "official" Descent to bring to the party.
That isn't a consolation prize at all, that is giving you what you literally paid for. Descent Underground and Descent (2019_ are the same game. They are obligated to give you Descent (2019) because you already paid for it.
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richlind33: Were people who bought the in-dev version given refunds?
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PaterAlf: I hope they won't need refunds, but will be given the new game instead. Everything else would be ridiculous.
They are being given this game, and it isn't a "new" game, it is the finished Descent: Underground game that all those people paid for.
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pbaggers: This isn't a straight-up remake/remaster of the original Descent, so why isn't this called Descent 4? Why the unnecessary confusion? I don't want to have to refer to this as "Descent 2019" from now on (and possibly the original game as "Descent 1995") - that's just irritating.

Why in christ's name do publishers/developers have this bizarre (perhaps even pretentious) habit of naming their sequels like this?

EDIT: Okay, so this was originally called Descent: Underground? Again, why the name change?
It is not a sequel at all to the original Descents. They got the Descent name from Interplay, which is the only thing Interplay owns about Descent, Parallax Software still owns, and always owned, the actual Descent IP as in the story line, the characters, everything. Descent (2019) is a whole new IP, it doesn't even connect with the other Descent games at all in Storyline/world/lore. So calling it Descent 4 would be very much misleading since it has nothing to do with Descent 1-3 at all, completely new IP.
Post edited November 17, 2018 by eisberg77
Posted November 17, 2018
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Trilarion: You don't have to do do it. I might be inclined to think that this is one of the better pre-orders ...
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Lifthrasil: Considering that it's already the second pre-order for the same game, I disagree on this point.
early access/ InDev are not pre-orders.
So this is the first pre-order.
Post edited November 17, 2018 by eisberg77
Posted November 17, 2018
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Trilarion: You don't have to do do it. I might be inclined to think that this is one of the better pre-orders but I also agree that pre-orders in general are not a good idea and only something for the hardcore, need to support the devs really very urgently fans. Pre-orders with exclusive content are even a no go.

But as far as this pre-order goes, we can just ignore it and wait for the release. I didn't pre-order for at least 10 years. There is no gain from it.
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Maxvorstadt: Well, I`m pretty sure that ten years ago no pre-order games did exist, because most games were sold as physical copies in boxes.
But nowadays you can even find pre-order boxes in stores! Which idiots do buy such crap?
I pre-ordered:
Star Wars Tie Fighter (1994)
Wing Commander 3-5 (1994- 1997)
Half Life 2 (2004)
Doom 3 (2004)
Freespace 1 and 2 (1999-2000)

Those are some the earliest pre-orders that I can remember.
Posted November 17, 2018
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Maxvorstadt: Well, I`m pretty sure that ten years ago no pre-order games did exist, because most games were sold as physical copies in boxes.
But nowadays you can even find pre-order boxes in stores! Which idiots do buy such crap?
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eisberg77: I pre-ordered:
Star Wars Tie Fighter (1994)
Wing Commander 3-5 (1994- 1997)
Half Life 2 (2004)
Doom 3 (2004)
Freespace 1 and 2 (1999-2000)

Those are some the earliest pre-orders that I can remember.
Seems to be something that luckily didn`t come to Germany. I`ve been playing games since the eighties and never heard about that then, or read something about it in the gazillion of gaming magazines I used to read up until the middle 2000ths.
Posted November 17, 2018
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FSHero: I impulse-bought the in-development version of this but was disappointed when they pulled it from GOG.com. I now refuse to spend money on anything unless there is a tangible end product.

Will probably buy this eventually - but I'll wait for proof of the final product.
You don't need to buy this game, because you already did when you impulse bought the in development version. So when Descent 2019 gets released, you will get it as well, because you already bought it.
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eisberg77: I pre-ordered:
Star Wars Tie Fighter (1994)
Wing Commander 3-5 (1994- 1997)
Half Life 2 (2004)
Doom 3 (2004)
Freespace 1 and 2 (1999-2000)

Those are some the earliest pre-orders that I can remember.
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Maxvorstadt: Seems to be something that luckily didn`t come to Germany. I`ve been playing games since the eighties and never heard about that then, or read something about it in the gazillion of gaming magazines I used to read up until the middle 2000ths.
Tie Fighter and Wing Commander 3 I pre-ordered while I was living in Germany, from a local chain computer gaming store, though I don't remember what the name of the store was, it's been 24 years. So yes, pre-ordering existed in Germany.
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DaWiz: OK Now I am TOTALLY F***ing confused! Descent 2019 or Overload! Which is it?
Can somebody help a brother out?
Thanks!!
What exactly are you confused about? Those are 2 games, both 6DOF games that are just like Descent. Overload is made by the same people who made Descent 1-3, and pretty much serves as a Prequel to Descent 1-3. Descent (2019) is basically a re-imagining of Descent, but doesn't use the same storyline, world, characters, companies as Descent 1-3.
Post edited November 17, 2018 by eisberg77
Posted November 17, 2018
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DaWiz: OK Now I am TOTALLY F***ing confused! Descent 2019 or Overload! Which is it?
Can somebody help a brother out?
Thanks!!
If you love Descent and care about it real devs you can check https://www.gog.com/game/overload_playable_teaser at least.
Posted November 18, 2018
From what I've been reading in this thread it all feels very shady especially with the confusing renaming of the game title. I'm not a big fan of indie companies we've never heard of taking retro IPs and making a game that may never come out.
Posted November 18, 2018
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Entropy.971: DNF did the same exact thing with a publisher, except without the Brightlocker and early access, and how many years did that take? Constant videos, no content. It took a lawsuit and a different team to finish the game. 3drealms wasn't interested in finishing the game, they were milking the system, and that was before crowdfunding. These guys are the next gen / modern 3drealms.
3D Realms didn't milk any system. They dumped all the money from their previous games into DNF and practically drove the company to bankruptcy. George Broussard and Scott Miller alone are said to have wasted up to $30 million of their own money trying to get it done. I don't think anybody on 3D Realms' side profited from that story. The reasons why DNF was never completed have been widely reported.
Posted November 18, 2018
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Entropy.971: DNF did the same exact thing with a publisher, except without the Brightlocker and early access, and how many years did that take? Constant videos, no content. It took a lawsuit and a different team to finish the game. 3drealms wasn't interested in finishing the game, they were milking the system, and that was before crowdfunding. These guys are the next gen / modern 3drealms.
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Anamon: 3D Realms didn't milk any system. They dumped all the money from their previous games into DNF and practically drove the company to bankruptcy. George Broussard and Scott Miller alone are said to have wasted up to $30 million of their own money trying to get it done. I don't think anybody on 3D Realms' side profited from that story. The reasons why DNF was never completed have been widely reported.
Ignore Entropy.971, he is being over dramatic and exagerating and pretty much everything.
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pferreira1983: From what I've been reading in this thread it all feels very shady especially with the confusing renaming of the game title. I'm not a big fan of indie companies we've never heard of taking retro IPs and making a game that may never come out.
Not sure how the name change is confusing, looks pretty straight forward. Also people are being over dramatic, the developers were clear about why they decided to stop updating the Early Access/In dev since it was taking up to much time and they really wanted to focus on getting the game done, and they kept their backers updated on development through the brighlocker site. And given how far they are into development, as in everything is in the game, now its time to get everything fleshed out, tested, fixed, tested again...
Post edited November 18, 2018 by eisberg77
Posted November 18, 2018
Wow, so I just discovered that owners of Descent: Underground would be getting Descent 2019 for FREE! If I understand rightly, these are completely unrelated games, correct?

Descent Underground was abandoned, so is this amazing goodwill from GOG? I'm really very happy and surprised by this, so I want to know who to thank!
Posted November 18, 2018
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vulchor: Wow, so I just discovered that owners of Descent: Underground would be getting Descent 2019 for FREE! If I understand rightly, these are completely unrelated games, correct?

Descent Underground was abandoned, so is this amazing goodwill from GOG? I'm really very happy and surprised by this, so I want to know who to thank!
No need for thanks. Descent Underground is Descent 2019. Descendent Studios was a day late and a dollar short, but they managed to get a publisher. Their publisher (Little Orbit) wanted it renamed, likely to avoid the bad press from Underground.

And that is why it's confusing.
So if you already own Descent Underground you already bought and payed for Descent 2019.
Post edited November 18, 2018 by SpeedBo
Posted November 18, 2018
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vulchor: Wow, so I just discovered that owners of Descent: Underground would be getting Descent 2019 for FREE! If I understand rightly, these are completely unrelated games, correct?

Descent Underground was abandoned, so is this amazing goodwill from GOG? I'm really very happy and surprised by this, so I want to know who to thank!
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SpeedBo: No need for thanks. Descent Underground is Descent 2019, their publisher wanted it renamed. In all likelihood to avoid the bad press from Underground.

And that is why it's confusing.
Oh, I see. I thought Descent Underground was abandoned and that I just got burned by supporting an early access title, which I know is something that happens from time to time. Glad to hear that this isn't completely the case this time.
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eisberg77: What exactly are you confused about? Those are 2 games, both 6DOF games that are just like Descent. Overload is made by the same people who made Descent 1-3, and pretty much serves as a Prequel to Descent 1-3. Descent (2019) is basically a re-imagining of Descent, but doesn't use the same storyline, world, characters, companies as Descent 1-3.
Honestly, that in and of itself is enough to confuse a casual fan of the series. The game that carries the name Descent isn't made by the people that made the original Descents and doesn't even share the same in-game universe as the originals.

I'm just playing devils advocate here, I understand it but I can certainly see how people would be confused.
Post edited November 18, 2018 by vulchor
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