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Posted February 25, 2014
The chronicle of the Third Era is about to be revealed!

Age of Wonders 3, the long-anticipated continuation to the fan-favorite, award-winning strategy series, set in a robust and beautiful world that becomes the scene for diverse, complex, and engaging gameplay, is available for pre-orders on GOG.com. Depending on your location you'll be charged $39.99 or the USD equivalent of £29.99, or €39.99. An extended Age of Wonders 3 - Deluxe Edition, featuring a full soundtrack and the Dragon's Throne standalone scenario, is available for $44.99, £34.99, or €44.99. As a special pre-order bonus, both versions include the Elven Resurgence, a standalone scenario DLC.

Imagine! Empires rising and falling before your very eyes, led to victory or defeat by heroes of legend so powerful that they appear to be titans in the eyes of mortals. Sorcerers harness the arcane powers to bend the rules of the world around them. Theocrats twist the wills of their followers with the holy aura bestowed upon them by their deities for their zealous service. Rogues rule the shadows, taking any chance to strike and win before their foes even realize there is a war to fight. Warlords earn the loyalty of their legions by the glory gained in the many battles they emerged from, victorious. Archdruids become one with nature, and the land itself rushes to their aid. Dreadnoughts rely on the art of engineering to construct their unstoppable artificial armies. All those powers, all of their miraculous exploits, all of their desires, all thrown into one realm of war. This shall truly be an age of wonders!

With Age of Wonders 3, Triumph Studios aims to set new standards not only for the acclaimed Age of Wonders series, but also for the turn-based strategy genre itself. Taking advantage of all the modern gaming bells and whistles, the title will deliver an impressive level of complexity in gameplay and an immersive, lush, and diverse gameworld that can become your own for hundreds of hours. With the ability to choose one of the six leader classes, you'll be able to custom-tailor your empire--and by extension your experience with the game--to your personal gameplay style, so you can enjoy the extensive campaign the game offers in any way you like. You'll be leading into battle armies recruited from within six humanoid races as well as some fantastic creatures and mythical monsters. The turn-based tactical combat itself will prove to be a challenge for the most seasoned of strategy gamers but also scalable enough for beginners to enjoy. With over 50 location types to explore and exploit, hundreds of abilities to master for tactical and strategic advantage over your foes, visually stunning presentation, and a smart random scenario generator providing virtually limitless replayability, this upcoming title may prove the only turn-based strategy game you'll need for many years to come!

Pre-order Age of Wonders 3, for only $39.99 or the USD equivalent of £29.99, or €39.99 on GOG.com (or opt in for the splendid Age of Wonders 3 - Deluxe Edition), and secure your entry to the fantastic realm of power and dominion, which opens to all the brave souls approximately on March 31. Note that Age of Wonders 3 is the first title with regional pricing on GOG.com in quite some time and this means that we are charging the USD equivalents of the official regional price.

Note, that just as we have done before in such occasions, we'll be throwing in a little something extra to the deal, to accommodate those of you, who end up paying more than the others due to the currency conversion rates applied. We've picked some games that fit well with the genre represented by Age of Wonders III, and if you're one of those people, you'll get to pick one of them. You'll be sent a gift-code allowing you to redeem one of the following excellent titles: Master of Magic, Lords of Magic: Special Edition, Eador: Genesis, King’s Bounty: The Legend, Disciples II: Gold, and Etherlords II.
Posted February 26, 2014
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Lactococcus: If that is what you want, then go ahead. I believe in free will, as I believe in the principle that if I buy something, I can do with it whatever I want (within the boundaries of the law), and not what the distributer decides. Steam can, not saying they will, block your access to your games any time !
For example, their update to their ToS, indicating you will never organise a class action lawsuit against them. The only thing you could do is swallow, or loose access to all previous bought games. Just a reminder why DRM free is always better then any kind of DRM. DRM makes you dependant on third parties
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zels: The same would happen if gog shut down or refused you access. Don't tell me you have HDDs with tens of TBs sitting around with back ups of all your games.
I do (well, most of them anyway). Not only from GOG, but also DotEmu, Strategy First's web page, Frictional Games, Humble Bundle, GamersGate etc. They all fit fine into one HDD, so I am unsure where you got the idea they'd take "tens of terabytes"..

At least with those sites which I don't visit regularly anymore, I just feel having a local copy of the games is less hassle to me, than re-visiting their pages after a long absence.

Also in the case of Strategy First, I think they don't (or at least didn't) offer unlimited downloads anyway. So they actually require you to keep local copies of your DRM-free games bought from the SFI site. Not sure if they have changed that, but then I am unsure if I even recall my username and password to their site anymore. Haven't visited it in ages.
Post edited February 26, 2014 by timppu
Posted February 26, 2014
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Lactococcus: If that is what you want, then go ahead. I believe in free will, as I believe in the principle that if I buy something, I can do with it whatever I want (within the boundaries of the law), and not what the distributer decides. Steam can, not saying they will, block your access to your games any time !
For example, their update to their ToS, indicating you will never organise a class action lawsuit against them. The only thing you could do is swallow, or loose access to all previous bought games. Just a reminder why DRM free is always better then any kind of DRM. DRM makes you dependant on third parties
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zels: The same would happen if gog shut down or refused you access. Don't tell me you have HDDs with tens of TBs sitting around with back ups of all your games.
Actually, I do have back-ups for almost all my DRM free games (95%). Started doing that after GOG did the big disappear trick a few years back.
Posted February 26, 2014
Looking at the screenshots of AoW3, it's a big meh for me.

I hate that 3D isometric perspective for turn-based strategy games.

It should be closer to a chess game in feel than an action game, my 2 cents.

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eRe4s3r: Great, Europeans pay 37% more... always wanted to be ripped off by GOG like Steam does it, new experience ;P

Another store that's dead to me now. If I wanted to be ripped of because I live in the wrong country (haha) I'd buy games on Steam...

Fair pricing indeed.... very fair, for Russians that is ;)
VAT in Germany is 19%, not 37% and free games do not equal store credit like Witcher 2 gave us.
Russia is a pretty bad example to drive your point.

I'm pretty sure they make a lot less on average than in Germany. They could use a price break.

Compare it against the price in North America or Australia and you'll have more of an argument there.
Post edited February 26, 2014 by Magnitus
Posted February 26, 2014
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Magnitus: Looking at the screenshots of AoW3, it's a big meh for me.

I hate that 3D isometric perspective for turn-based strategy games.

It should be closer to a chess game in feel than an action game, my 2 cents.

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eRe4s3r: Great, Europeans pay 37% more... always wanted to be ripped off by GOG like Steam does it, new experience ;P

Another store that's dead to me now. If I wanted to be ripped of because I live in the wrong country (haha) I'd buy games on Steam...

Fair pricing indeed.... very fair, for Russians that is ;)
VAT in Germany is 19%, not 37% and free games do not equal store credit like Witcher 2 gave us.
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Magnitus: Russia is a pretty bad example to drive your point.

I'm pretty sure they make a lot less on average than in Germany. They could use a price break.
Fair enough, yet I only mentioned Russia because they are the only ones benefiting form this... the 37% are US vs EU pricing. It's actually 39% because GOG bills you in $ still and that means you still pay conversion fee with paypal. So GOG is now actually 2% more expensive than Steam *slow clap*

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I just realized that most probably don't even know that.....
Post edited February 26, 2014 by eRe4s3r
Posted February 26, 2014
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zels: The same would happen if gog shut down or refused you access. Don't tell me you have HDDs with tens of TBs sitting around with back ups of all your games.
Actually I kind of do, that as in I have a server at home with 1.65TB of games currently, as well as my other stuff. Which I backup to drives I keep at work. So I'm not going to lose my games any time soon.
Posted February 26, 2014
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dirtyharry50: But that's the thing, I don't mind DRM when it is painless and for me personally Steam is painless. I even like it. I like their client, etc. I like automatic updating. I like the social aspect. I like other stuff too. The DRM is nothing. I'd be online anyway.
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timppu: Yet, elsewhere you are arguing that it would make sense for GOG to bring DRM to their games. So if people like you who don't care about DRM wouldn't buy such games from GOG but Steam (DRM or not), then who would? Obviously not the people who care about DRM.

You are not being consistent with your argument.
I was not arguing anything here. I was simply stating my own preference and the reason for it. My feelings are consistent enough. Let me spell them out for you. I don't care what GOG does really. It does not affect me. I've just noted that their so-called core values are bullshit and that I think ultimately games with DRM will wind up here too. That's it in a nutshell. At the minimum I do not believe people who just proved themselves to not keep their word. If you want to believe them then by all means do so. Good luck with that.
Posted February 26, 2014
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Magnitus: Russia is a pretty bad example to drive your point.

I'm pretty sure they make a lot less on average than in Germany. They could use a price break.
The same is true for all the African and South American countries that have to pay the same as European customers, though. Obviously the price in Russia isn't lower because of the local income. It probably is lower to compete with pirated copies in Russia. Essentially we're getting the message to pirate like crazy if we want lower prices. That's not a message I like.
Posted February 26, 2014
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eRe4s3r: Fair enough, yet I only mentioned Russia because they are the only ones benefiting form this... the 37% are US vs EU pricing. It's actually 39% because GOG bills you in $ still and that means you still pay conversion fee with paypal. So GOG is now actually 2% more expensive than Steam *slow clap*

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I just realized that most probably don't even know that.....
But in a way, isn't the VAT that Europeans have simply the result of higher taxation from your governments?

As detailed by GOG, it's out of their hands and in the hands of big publishers, but you should realize that for classic titles, they just eat the tax and make less profit for European sales (so in essence, you guys get it cheaper as you pay the same price for the game and you government gets "free" taxes and which translates back into services for you).

Concerning the conversion, it's unfortunate, though I'd buy a DRM-free title that is 2% more expensive any day of the week over a DRMed title. The DRM-free aspect has enormous value for me.

Either way, I'm totally for certain developing countries paying "less" to reflect their lower mean income.

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silentbob1138: The same is true for all the African and South American countries that have to pay the same as European customers, though. Obviously the price in Russia isn't lower because of the local income. It probably is lower to compete with pirated copies in Russia. Essentially we're getting the message to pirate like crazy if we want lower prices. That's not a message I like.
What comes first? The chicken or the egg?

I'd wager at least part of the reason they pirate so much is because they can't afford to pay for it.

It speaks volumes that the nations that pirate the most have pretty low mean income.
Post edited February 26, 2014 by Magnitus
Posted February 26, 2014
Wow! Nice! Shame it has regional pricing, otherwise I would have pre-ordered it right away. So I will wait for a price drop of min 80%.
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zels: The same would happen if gog shut down or refused you access. Don't tell me you have HDDs with tens of TBs sitting around with back ups of all your games.
Well, I have NAS on which I have all my DRM-Free Games except the Mac-Version, not only from GOG. Including regular backups. I would be sad if GOG shuts down, but I still have my games.
Post edited February 26, 2014 by Woolytoes
Posted February 26, 2014
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eRe4s3r: Fair enough, yet I only mentioned Russia because they are the only ones benefiting form this... the 37% are US vs EU pricing. It's actually 39% because GOG bills you in $ still and that means you still pay conversion fee with paypal. So GOG is now actually 2% more expensive than Steam *slow clap*

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I just realized that most probably don't even know that.....
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Magnitus: But in a way, isn't the VAT that Europeans have simply the result of higher taxation from your governments?

As detailed by GOG, it's out of their hands and in the hands of big publishers, but you should realize that for classic titles, they just eat the tax and make less profit for European sales (so in essence, you guys get it cheaper as you pay the same price for the game and you government gets "free" taxes and translates back into services for you).

Concerning the conversion, it's unfortunate, though I'd pay a DRM-free title that is 2% more expensive any day of the week over a DRMed title.

Either way, I'm totally for certain developping countries getting discount to reflect their lower mean income.
I don't find that bad either, clearly Russians have a lower general income than Western Europeans or North Americans, but GOG said they'd price us fair but low and behold, this is not fair pricing. If they wanted to be *fair* they could have us pay 19% more on top of whatever US pays and give us everything over that back as store credit. The way they did for Witcher 2. That would be fair, maybe naive of me to think that would be possible, but meh ;p

The VAT in Germany is only 19%, that is what I am willing to pay more because it's going to my country, not 39% where 20% goes into the nether. To me regional pricing is a form of DRM as well, especially since this absurd pricing scheme is bound to lead to trade restrictions on steam.
Posted February 26, 2014
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Gonchi: I seem to be getting US prices here, for now.
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silentbob1138: Did you add your pricing info here: http://www.gog.com/forum/age_of_wonders_series/post_your_regional_price_for_aow3/page1 ?
No, but I'm currently in Brazil and other Brazilian users have.
Posted February 26, 2014
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dirtyharry50: At the minimum I do not believe people who just proved themselves to not keep their word. If you want to believe them then by all means do so. Good luck with that.
It doesn't have much to do with "keeping their word". It has everything to do whether it would make business sense to do that.

You've claimed it would be only a win-win situation for GOG to bring DRM to their games (at least selectively), but then your own preferences and actions tell the opposite story, ie. the people who don't care about DRM (like you), buy from Steam by default anyway. The question remains: who would be that group of people who'd consistently choose to buy DRM games from GOG? Steam keys can usually be bought far cheaper from 3rd party Steam key stores (like GMG, Amazon.com and such), so GOG could hardly really compete with price either. And Steam-people would require the GOG version to be quite a bit cheaper before selecting a non-Steam version of a game.

It is a similar question as who still buys Capsule DRM games from GreenManGaming. You?

You can argue whether GOG has broken their word or not. As in, did they promise not to introduce regional pricing to GOG, ever? For DRM, they have actually said many times that they will never(?) bring DRM. Or is this about as important change as McDonalds starting to sell McWraps, even if in the beginning they used to sell only hamburgers?

For a person who doesn't care about DRM, you seem to use quite a lot of resources to try to "prove" others that GOG will bring DRM, even starting an inflammatory thread about it. It really seems you have some kind of big chip on your shoulder against people who prefer DRM-free, and do it only to spite them. What's in it to you, why do you feel so strongly about it even though you claim not to?

Do I go to Mac forums to tell Apple fans how stupid they are for wanting Mac and iOS games, as they are in the minority compared to Windows and Android? And how Apple has lied to them and broken their word when they started using PC (Intel) technology on Macs, instead of Motorola CPUs? What principle will Apple break next, is the next step installing Windows on Macs or Android on iPhones?

I couldn't be arsed to go troll Mac users like that in their forum, I don't feel that strongly against them.
Post edited February 26, 2014 by timppu
Posted February 26, 2014
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dirtyharry50: At the minimum I do not believe people who just proved themselves to not keep their word. If you want to believe them then by all means do so. Good luck with that.
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timppu: It doesn't have much to do with "keeping their word". It has everything to do whether it would make business sense to do that.
Maybe it doesn't to you. It would appear that there are a lot of upset people around here recently who think it does matter though. I guess that could possibly leave you in a minority again. I'm not sure. Don't feel badly though. There's a lot to be said for being a part of certain minority groups. I know some that I fall into I am quite happy about.

As for the rest of the crap you just wrote I am sorry but going back and forth with you has become really tiresome timppu, particularly when you feel a need to follow me to other threads and bring up stuff from other threads, etc. You're going to need to find somebody else to harp on for a while.

I know how you feel and you know how I feel. There's no reason for you and I to keep going on with each other about this stuff. It was never my mission to persuade you to think anything in particular and it still isn't. Think whatever you like. We have officially reached the time to agree to disagree. I will thank you in advance for your anticipated cooperation in this matter. Have a great day.
Posted February 26, 2014
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eRe4s3r: I don't find that bad either, clearly Russians have a lower general income than Western Europeans or North Americans, but GOG said they'd price us fair but low and behold, this is not fair pricing. If they wanted to be *fair* they could have us pay 19% more on top of whatever US pays and give us everything over that back as store credit. The way they did for Witcher 2. That would be fair, maybe naive of me to think that would be possible, but meh ;p
Fair enough, they touted themselves for adopting a uniform (I prefer that wording of it over "fair") pricing and went back on that, losing face a little in the process.

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eRe4s3r: The VAT in Germany is only 19%, that is what I am willing to pay more because it's going to my country, not 39% where 20% goes into the nether. To me regional pricing is a form of DRM as well, especially since this absurd pricing scheme is bound to lead to trade restrictions on steam.
That is interesting. It would be interesting to know where the money difference goes indeed.
Post edited February 26, 2014 by Magnitus
Posted February 26, 2014
$55 for this game? Are you serious GOG?! No, thank you... :(
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