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Posted December 27, 2015
Am I the only one who misread thread title?

Potentially serious Sam account issues...

My reaction was wtf is Serious Sam account
Posted December 27, 2015
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ValamirCleaver: I don't know what media you use; but based on the way you've been citing the failure of backups, I wasn't sure sure you were cognizant of the fact or is it just hyperbole & . <a href="http://www.gog.com/forum/general/potentially_serious_steam_account_issues/post165" class="link_arrow"></a></div> [url=http://www.pcworld.com/article/2062254/25-000-drive-study-shines-a-light-on-how-long-hard-drives-actually-last.html]25,000-drive study shines a light on how long hard drives actually last
Quotes from it:
"Only 26 percent of BackBlaze’s drives failed during the four year testing period. That’s not too shabby for a component frequently plagued by anecdotal tales of woe."
"BackBlaze doesn’t have data beyond four years, but the company expects drive deaths to hold constant at around the 12 percent failure rate seen in year 3 to 4."

Just hyperbole? Even accussing me of potential FUD tactics?

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Siannah: It isn't for me and I doubt it is for the majority around here, even less so as a general rule.
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ValamirCleaver: You've polled the entire membership of GOG to determine that more than half of them ("the majority around here") aren't able to pay off $630 in a year? I realize not everyone can do that, but I'm not going to assume whether a significant amount can or can't. This is intended to be informative.
No I didn't polled the entire membership of GOG. Maybe I'm wrong with that, but I do have my doubts, even more as a general rule. Doubts != knowing.
You even go to great lengths explaining why it should be feasible for me, now and forever - no you're not assuming. At all.

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ValamirCleaver: I understand it's none of my business, but if it was me I would re-prioritize my purchases so I could at the very least buy a 5TB hard drive (these seem to be the optimum sweet spot of size versus cost) and an enclosure.
No you clearly don't. Otherwise you wouldn't dismiss my opinion and insist that yours is without flaw nor potential fault.

I'm not telling anyone, to not do backups or embrace Steam. I'm saying if you go with a MCA scenario with Steam, you also have to apply it to the portrayed solution, i.e. backup failures. And this is where it fails, at least for me. But if you see the potential failure of Steam as that much bigger than your HDs, again, go for it. I don't. And neither Shamus Young nor you will change that.
Posted December 27, 2015
Amazing they`ve still barely said a word about what happened, what with data protection laws etc.


Oh wait, it`s steam. nvm...
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Posted December 27, 2015
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amrit9037: Am I the only one who misread thread title?

Potentially serious Sam account issues...

My reaction was wtf is Serious Sam account
maybe its that guy that got his "library account" deleted?! O_____o
Posted December 27, 2015
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amrit9037: Am I the only one who misread thread title?

Potentially serious Sam account issues...

My reaction was wtf is Serious Sam account
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Sachys: maybe its that guy that got his "library account" deleted?! O_____o
Let's ask him when he comes back next week.
Posted December 27, 2015
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Siannah: Otherwise you wouldn't dismiss my opinion and insist that yours is without flaw nor potential fault.
Strange you should mention that because I seem recall someone in this thread dismissing anything out of hand that didn't fit their personal narrative.

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Siannah: Any dependance regarding digital games and downloading them, is going to bite someone somewhere, sooner or later. No matter which service one prefers.
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Siannah: Once more, same for every digital distributor. Replace Steam with GOG, Uplay, Origin, iTunes, whatever - all come with the same problems.
how's that a long-term solution for everyone? It certainly isn't for me, sry.
Again, if going with a worst case scenario, do it for both sides or not at all. Everything else throws your comparison as pointless out of the window.
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Siannah: No. Not feasible. Not for me.
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Siannah: I don't. And how, when and for how long I play my games, is really none of your concern nor has it anything to do with the topic at hand.
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Siannah: Really now? With all due respect, check in what context statements have been made. This can get to a point, where I see it as simply not feasible anymore. Is that feasible and the best solution any gamer should want? Not for me, sry.
1.You claim backing up GOG installers is in your words, "Not feasible."

2.Myself and other poster gave solutions how one could easily backup GOG installers.

3.You respond with inferences that because DRM free services & backup media are potentially unreliable, and that hardware is expensive & subject to failure so one should bother to use or consider alternatives.

But yet I'm the one that dismisses others' opinions and insist that mine is without flaw nor potential fault?...

I'm just going to leave this at "agreeing to disagree" and leave it at that. If anyone else is interested whether or not it's "feasible" to backup all of one's GOG & other DRM free installers, there's more than enough information for one to make that determination for themselves. With that I will bow out...
Posted December 27, 2015
If we're gonna talk feasibility here, it all depends on your budget, doesn't matter whether you are a gamer or a non-gamer, a business man or a college teenager. You want a hard drive and you have the money, you'll do it. For me, buying extra HDDs are simply not feasible due to how expensive they are where I live, but buying some DVDs to alleviate the storage issue is simply a more low-cost and an overall better option for me.

But obviously, I'm not on GOG to not harness its DRM-free power. I'm on GOG to take advantages of all the benefits they provide over Steam's DRM, and having proper installers for each game is one of them, as opposed to relying on such a failure of a client to install me the games, whether by online download or by a backup restoration.

Again though, if Steam goes down, your games go down immediately. But if your games are stored on a hard disk, it is you who kills the game and it is you who make the games long last, not the corporation.
Posted December 27, 2015
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ValamirCleaver: 1.You claim backing up GOG installers is in your words, "Not feasible."

2.Myself and other poster gave solutions how one could easily backup GOG installers.

3.You respond with inferences that because DRM free services & backup media are potentially unreliable, and that hardware is expensive & subject to failure so one should bother to use or consider alternatives.
1. Not GOG exclusively, taking all games into account, i.e. +Steam, +whatever other service (which IS the common complain against them). Are there user gaming libraries out there that are so big, that it's not feasible for them to back it all up? Yes, I have no doubt there are. Yes it certainly would be for me and can get to the point, where it's not even just for GOG. Not worth the effort, the time, the investment to do so.
Yes I do trust the reliability of Steam / GOG to stand the test of time against any harddrive - no doomsayer so far brought any indication to the table, that it's not warranted and they'll be the next Desura / Impulse.

2. No problem with that. Again, I'm not saying anyone shouldn't.

3. Straight no. I didn't claimed to have the solution that works for (at least almost) everyone. Others claimed potential unreliability on services (Steam, GOG) while denying any potential unreliability on their solution (backup) - that I'll refuse to accept. Use the same measuring stick for all parts, not just the ones suiting your arguments.

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ValamirCleaver: But yet I'm the one that dismisses others' opinions and insist that mine is without flaw nor potential fault?...
If HDs, RAID-systems and DVDs don't fail or get damaged in your world - congratulations. They certainly do in mine, so yes - agree on disagreeing. Sry.
Posted December 27, 2015
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Siannah: snip
I think the two of you are speaking past each other to some extent. It's all feasible, there are always risks.

I agree with you that most of the services we are discussing are technically reliable. I would probably be more concerned with legal situations of removal of the service itself, than with losing cloud data due to some technical malfunction.

I agree with valamir that there is an aspect of control inherent in the discussion which you are kind of avoiding for the technical focus. A local backup might or not be more reliable than the cloud one, but the local one depends only on yourself - no third party can affect you. Or rather the 3rd party power will be mitigated - if they stop servicing you for whatever reason, you have your local backup. If they don't remove your service and something happens to your local backup, well just backup again from the cloud service.

It's all abot what you value and are willing to pay for. Obviously local backup will be more expensive, but storage costs have fallen hugely. And of course services with strong DRM block you from a useable local backup option at all. For after all you want the data in order to potentially use it. Not just for keeping.
Posted December 28, 2015
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fishbaits: Amazing they`ve still barely said a word about what happened, what with data protection laws etc.
There was a thread while it was happening complaining about 1 of those laws and how Valve was breaking it for not making reporting the leak.

Turns out that law requires you to report it within 45 days.
Posted December 28, 2015
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fishbaits: Amazing they`ve still barely said a word about what happened, what with data protection laws etc.
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Pheace: There was a thread while it was happening complaining about 1 of those laws and how Valve was breaking it for not making reporting the leak.

Turns out that law requires you to report it within 45 days.
I guess it could be tricky.
I saw 2-3 accounts, but they don`t know I did (I`ll send them an email/screenie letting them know their data was compromised) but I myself don`t know if mine was seen & I imagine very few will ever really know, so guessing they can`t do anything.
I did see some idiots on Reddit posting other users data that they`d seen :(

Unless there`s something to cover such a mass leak & steam get bent over for this en masse *shrugs*
Posted December 30, 2015
Valve's response:

http://store.steampowered.com/news/19852/
Posted December 30, 2015
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KneeTheCap: Valve's response:

http://store.steampowered.com/news/19852/
Hah they did get DDoS ed .
Posted December 31, 2015
From a commercial model point of view, I do personally think there must have been an embryo concept of Steam embedded in the first act of piratism, or IP (intellectual property) violation.

The sooner we - the gamers that respect IP because we want more or even better of the same in the future - can get over pirate-nostalgic attacks on Steam the better.

We would not hack a game anyway, So what the four hearts - why would not we get serious, and demand Valve to publicize their corporate principles. So that in case we do not really like them - Valve - we might direct our business elsewhere.

Steam, distribution trademark of Valve, is meanwhile piss-poor on customer service and ethical grounds, I find. But to say so has less gravitas because some would simplify take the fight unto Valve to circumvent respect for IP, and to do ill for slight gain that will be paid for by all of us gaming fans that gladly pay for original content.

If anyone knows how to get direct customer service from or feedback channel to Valve/Steam - pray tell!

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