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Posted January 07, 2017
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DaCostaBR: Yes, it's complementary information, which demystifies somewhat the esoteric concept of the Force.
How does it demystify something that was explained the very moment it was introduced? And what esoteric concept? The energy field created by living beings? How is that esoteric?

It's all there in the movies, the living component that allows living beings to connect with the Force and vice versa was simply given a name in The Phantom Menace. It's what makes a plant, an animal or a sentient being connect with the Force instead of a droid or a rock.
Posted January 07, 2017
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DaCostaBR: Yes, it's complementary information, which demystifies somewhat the esoteric concept of the Force.
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Alexrd: How does it demystify something that was explained the very moment it was introduced? And what esoteric concept? The energy field created by living beings? How is that esoteric?

It's all there in the movies, the living component that allows living beings to connect with the Force and vice versa was simply given a name in The Phantom Menace. It's what makes a plant, an animal or a sentient being connect with the Force instead of a droid or a rock.
HELLO!
Posted January 07, 2017
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Breja: The way Yoda talks about the all living beings being connected it still sounds like something mystical.
When does Yoda talk about all life being connected? Not that it isn't because it is. And midi-chlorians also reinforce that point since all living beings have them.

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Breja: He doesn't give Luke a Geiger Force Counter to measure how strong the Force is around them.
That's not what midi-chlorians are. Rewatch the movie.

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Breja: Midichlorians sound like science, or at least what passes for "science" in a setting like that.
Like I said, midi-chlorians sound as much like science as "an energy field created by all living things".

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Breja: It's something definite, something you can measure and quantify.
Yes, so what? Midi-chlorians are not the Force. They are not a measurement of the Force. If you watch the movie and pay attention to what is actually said instead of what you think it's said, you'll realize that.
Post edited January 07, 2017 by Alexrd
Posted January 07, 2017
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Breja: The way Yoda talks about the all living beings being connected it still sounds like something mystical.
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Alexrd: When does Yoda talk about all life being connected?
Watch the movie.

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Alexrd: Not that it isn't because it is. And midi-chlorians also reinforce that point since all living beings have them.
Yes, reinforce and explain in a measurable way, detectable with scientifiv instruments. What Yoda is talking about isn't like that at all.

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Breja: He doesn't give Luke a Geiger Force Counter to measure how strong the Force is around them.
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Alexrd: That's not what midi-chlorians are. Rewatch the movie.
I don't think I'm the one who needs to do that. You're the only one getting everything wrong :D

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Alexrd: Yes, so what? Midi-chlorians are not the Force. They are not a measurement of the Force. If you watch the movie and pay attention to what is actually said instead of what you think it's said, you'll realize that.
No, they are a measurable, scientificaly provable explanation of the Force and how it works.
Posted January 07, 2017
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Breja: Watch the movie.
The burden of proof is on you.

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Breja: Yes, reinforce and explain in a measurable way, detectable with scientifiv instruments.
Yes, life forms in cells can be detected. So...?

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Breja: What Yoda is talking about isn't like that at all.
Yoda doesn't talk about that at all.

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Breja: I don't think I'm the one who needs to do that. You're the only one getting everything wrong :D
Because you say so? It doesn't work that way. You have yet to provide any valid argument.

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Breja: No, they are a measurable, scientificaly provable explanation of the Force and how it works.
Midi-chlorians are not the Force, they are not an explanation of the Force (watch A New Hope for that) nor do they explain the Force. They are the biological means through which a living being is able to connect with the Force. It's why a plant is connected to the Force while a rock isn't. Han doesn't believe in the Force, yet he's connected to it wether he likes it or not. Why do you think that is? Because of midi-chlorians, which is a requirement for life to exist.
Post edited January 07, 2017 by Alexrd
Posted January 07, 2017
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Breja: Watch the movie.
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Alexrd: The burden of proof is on you.
Why?

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Breja: Yes, reinforce and explain in a measurable way, detectable with scientifiv instruments.
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Alexrd: Yes, life forms in cells can be detected. So...?
I honestly don't know how to answer that. Thank you for concedeing our point?

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Breja: I don't think I'm the one who needs to do that. You're the only one getting everything wrong :D
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Alexrd: Because you say so? It doesn't work that way. You have yet to provide any valid argument.
Right back at ya. I don't think this is getting us anywhere :D

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Breja: No, they are a measurable, scientificaly provable explanation of the Force and how it works.
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Alexrd: Midi-chlorians are not the Force, they are not an explanation of the Force (watch A New Hope for that) nor do they explain the Force. They are the biological means through which a living being is able to connect with the Force.
Exactly, thank you for conceding our point. I guess we are done here.
Posted January 07, 2017
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Lucius_Malfoy: Yo I'm a big Trekkie, but I have to say when it comes to storytelling SW takes the cake.
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Breja: What?
What what?
Posted January 07, 2017
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Breja: What?
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Lucius_Malfoy: What what?
What what what?
Posted January 08, 2017
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Lucius_Malfoy: What what?
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Breja: What what what?
Seriously though you disagree? X)
Post edited July 06, 2017 by GandalftheCool
Posted January 08, 2017
WHAT!?
Posted January 08, 2017
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Breja: What what what?
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Lucius_Malfoy: Seriously though, you disagree? X)
I don't just disagree, I find that stement so absurd it's hilarious.
Post edited January 08, 2017 by Breja
Posted January 08, 2017
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Lucius_Malfoy: Seriously though, you disagree? X)
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Breja: I don't just disagree, I find that stement so absurd it's hilarious.
How? Star Trek has some good stories to tell but that's not it's prime focus like Star Wars.
Posted January 08, 2017
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Breja: I don't just disagree, I find that stement so absurd it's hilarious.
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Lucius_Malfoy: How? Star Trek has some good stories to tell but that's not it's prime focus like Star Wars.
Uhm... it's the exactly other way around? On one hand you've got Star Trek tackling important socio-political issues and complex sci-fi concepts and on the other you have a very nice, but absolutely basic story of good vs evil. You can argue Star Wars superiority in many areas, like the scope and special effects, but in terms of story? It's ridiculous.
Posted January 08, 2017
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Lucius_Malfoy: How? Star Trek has some good stories to tell but that's not it's prime focus like Star Wars.
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Breja: Uhm... it's the exactly other way around? On one hand you've got Star Trek tackling important socio-political issues and complex sci-fi concepts and on the other you have a very nice, but absolutely basic story of good vs evil. You can argue Star Wars superiority in many areas, like the scope and special effects, but in terms of story? It's ridiculous.
Oh well, agree to disagree? X)
Posted January 08, 2017
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Breja: On one hand you've got Star Trek tackling important socio-political issues and complex sci-fi concepts and on the other you have a very nice, but absolutely basic story of good vs evil.
That's not actually the measure of "good storytelling". The most basic of stories, with hardly an analogy to our own culture, beautifully and emotionally told, can still be a profoundly satisfying experience.

...I still think you're right and Lucius is wrong. :)
Post edited January 08, 2017 by Vainamoinen
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