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Posted March 28, 2017
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nightcraw1er.488: snip
Guess that "trick question" didn't make it obvious enough. Should have clicked the link. =P
Posted March 28, 2017
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nightcraw1er.488: snip
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mistermumbles: Guess that "trick question" didn't make it obvious enough. Should have clicked the link. =P
Ha, was looking at it on the phone, virtually nothing works on it. TBH though the BGEEs I can't really abide either.
Posted March 28, 2017
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nightcraw1er.488: Ha, was looking at it on the phone
o.O You wrote all that on your phone? Yikes.
Posted March 28, 2017
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tremere110: My understanding is that changing the original characers in any significant way is against the terms of their contract. That said they'll probably add poorly done companions just like the EE of BG1 and BG2.

If they do add something like a transgendered companion I'm hoping they at least give them a personality beyond "Look at me! I'm transgendered!". I find that extremely unlikely so I hope they just avoid the issue.
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Lord_Kane: How about a transgendered character that you have to make up your own mind on? how about that?
That would be nice too. The entire you can't say "I am the god of murder and I shall slay you!" to the only transgender character in SoD was annoying. The best response the most evil player character could say was "Nice to meetcha!"

That was dumb. One of the reason I don't want Beamdog writing new content. Experience has shown they suck at it.
Posted March 28, 2017
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tremere110: My understanding is that changing the original characers in any significant way is against the terms of their contract. That said they'll probably add poorly done companions just like the EE of BG1 and BG2.

If they do add something like a transgendered companion I'm hoping they at least give them a personality beyond "Look at me! I'm transgendered!". I find that extremely unlikely so I hope they just avoid the issue.
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dtgreene: Just thought I would point out that "transgender" is not a verb, so "transgendered" is not a word. "transgender" is an adjective, not a noun or verb, so your quote should say "I'm transgender", not "I'm transgendered".
Sigh. Transgendered is a word, because gender is (also) a verb and gendered is an adjective. Now, many people don't like the connotation of an action (basically for the same reason "gender reassignment" is being retired and "sex change" is considered a slur), but it's absolutely a legit word.

However, when inventing direct speech for a badly written progressive-bait token of a character, "transgendered" is simply unrealistic. Crap writers will still write transphobic caricatures, but they will know enough to use commonly preferred words.
Posted March 28, 2017
I won't deny EE are "convenient" for the newcomers, but seriously, they should polish those animations. They seem pretty "low fpsy" and not fluid at all (the original had really fluid animations for the characters, seriously, wtf happened?). Otherwise, already played the sh17 out of the original so no interest in buying the same game again (specially since I won't be playing it again any time soon).
Posted March 29, 2017
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I'm just going to leave this here.
Posted March 29, 2017
If you bought the original Baldur's Gate and Baldur's Gate 2 as well as Icewind Dale on Gog, the originals are still in your collection and downloadable.

If you are worried about losing access to the original Planescape Torment , and do not own it yet, now is the time to buy it as once bought the titles are not taken from you even if Gog loses its rights to sell the game.

I worried about losing games when the original fallout series had this happen but still have those original games I bought now showing up as fallout classic and Gog thinking I do not own Fallout due to that time it happened.

I believe Gog's policy is once you buy a game it's yours to keep whether they stop selling it or not so if you have the original Planescape Torment , you won't lose it.

Even Darksiders Warmastered Edition has a legacy edition too that is for people that do not like the warmastered edition.

Gog does pretty well in making sure no one loses access to games they bought in the past when stuff like this happens so there should be no worry about losing the original if you already own it.

If you are on the fence about getting the original now is the time to do it as the Enhanced Edition of Planescape Torment does not come out until April 11th.
Posted March 29, 2017
It seems like it will work out. It is definitely appealing to those who want to play it without having to browse through lists of mods and hope that the ones they install do not cause the game to crash. I still remember trying to play the original Baldur's Gate with a resolution mod that ended up causing the game to crash too frequently. I ended up removing the mod, reinstalling the game, and playing through it without the mod.

People commented on the Youtube video about mods but then people countered by saying that they tried it and ended up with more issues and brought up the point about people who just want to install the game and just be able to play it without browsing through mods and hoping that they got the right ones. People keep forgetting that games are meant to be enjoyed and that it should be on the developers to make a functional product and not the customers.
Posted March 29, 2017
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nightcraw1er.488: [snip elaborate explanation]
Kudos for typing that on the phone. What you wrote is on par with what I know about the remasters, I haven't played neither Baldur's Gate nor Planescape: Torment up until now, even though I own them for years.

Question now is:
Should I wait for the PT remaster? Are they really that bad? I've heard they changed/added companions, but I can't, I won't believe they altered an existing party and/or story to something worse. After all those years!
With games that old I tend to suspect good old nostalgia as culprit for most of the criticism. Also for the praise, so there's that.

But, what I also thought immediately after reading about the announcement and as others have pointed out, already,
why don't they create original games that are based on own concepts and visions? Remaking a game once can count as hommage and a paying of respect to the original, but doing that all the time seems uninspired and lazy to me. I'm missing initiative and creativity and if the remasters really aren't that good, I wonder if I want to support Beamdog at all. They only recycled old Bioware and Black Isle games, since their foundation in 2010. I'll wait and watch. And wait a bit longer, until I find the time to actually play the originals.
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Posted March 29, 2017
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Midoryu: But, what I also thought immediately after reading about the announcement and as others have pointed out, already,
why don't they create original games that are based on own concepts and visions? Remaking a game once can count as hommage and a paying of respect to the original, but doing that all the time seems uninspired and lazy to me. I'm missing initiative and creativity and if the remasters really aren't that good, I wonder if I want to support Beamdog at all. They only recycled old Bioware and Black Isle games, since their foundation in 2010. I'll wait and watch. And wait a bit longer, until I find the time to actually play the originals.
The cynical viewpoint is that it's a pure money grab. The forgiving viewpoint is that the people at Beamdog love the Infinity Engine games so much that they want to bring a touched-up, enhanced, moar better version of each of them to new (and old) audiences without the need to search out and install mods.

The reality is probably somewhere between those viewpoints.
Posted March 29, 2017
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GR00T: The cynical viewpoint is that it's a pure money grab. The forgiving viewpoint is that the people at Beamdog love the Infinity Engine games so much that they want to bring a touched-up, enhanced, moar better version of each of them to new (and old) audiences without the need to search out and install mods.

The reality is probably somewhere between those viewpoints.
A good way to put it. On point. *clap*

Would be interesting to now if:
1. The developers, themselves fans of the originals, regard the remasters as good.
2. The developers have deliberately decided to create those games or if they are forced to do so due to financial or contractual obligations.
Post edited March 29, 2017 by Midoryu
Posted March 29, 2017
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trallyus: If you bought the original Baldur's Gate and Baldur's Gate 2 as well as Icewind Dale on Gog, the originals are still in your collection and downloadable....
All three EE versions include the classic version as well. No matter whether you've bought them separately before or not.
Same goes for the upcoming Planscape: Torment EE.
Post edited March 29, 2017 by DeMignon
Posted March 29, 2017
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trallyus: If you bought the original Baldur's Gate and Baldur's Gate 2 as well as Icewind Dale on Gog, the originals are still in your collection and downloadable....
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DeMignon: All three EE versions include the classic version as well. No matter whether you've bought them separately before or not.
Same goes for the upcoming Planscape: Torment EE.
Thanks as I missed that news as I could have swore it was not set up that way before and so glad they do that as it should please both sides.
Posted March 29, 2017
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goral: Also, these hacks have not even bothered to include Black Isle logo
I expect they can't. It would probably be trademark infringement if they did.
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