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Gnostic: New things may flop too. Just like Window 8 4 years ago does not gain as much traction as Window 7. But Window 7 dethrone XP for market share even when XP service life is still active.

Nope, it is not about tech development, it is about products that most customers are happy with.

You can always keep your Window 10, nobody will stop you from using Window 10.
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zeroxxx: Huh? That's what I heard when people said Windows XP will fail. :)

Windows 98SE forever!!!!

Oh wait....

At the end of the day, tech development trumps all. Fact.
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Fixed that for you with other cherry picking.

Huh? That's what I heard when people said Windows 8 will fail. :)

Windows 7 forever!!!!

Oh wait....

At the end of the day, Window 8 did failed because customers satisfaction trumps companies propaganda on fake progress. Fact.
Wait, Window XP did give more customer satisfaction then Windows 98SE
Post edited March 16, 2016 by Gnostic
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zeroxxx: You can always keep your old Windows, nobody will take your copy from your hands.
MS is certainly trying hard, though. That's what this thread is about, after all.

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zeroxxx: In ten years or less people will forget about Windows 7 anyway.
Probably, but the question still remains what has become of Windows 12 or whatever it will be called at that point. An iOS-like walled garden that doesn't allow you to install your Steam nor GOG games anymore, gradually getting rid of that option bit by bit ever since Windows 10? At that point they probably rationalize it with bogus security reasons, as if it is a dire security issue if people were allowed to still install their Steam and GOG games.

As someone said, maybe then "most PC users" will be fine with that arrangement, unfortunately. Just get your Windows games from the Windows Store, meh. Too bad then. Unless SteamOS really becomes a viable option, then all the Steam apologists claiming that Steam will be around forever will have to eat crow too. Suck up on Windows Store hegemony then, suckers.

Heck, maybe in ten years or less people will forget about Steam anyway?
Post edited March 16, 2016 by timppu
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zeroxxx: At the end of the day, tech development trumps all. Fact.
Punctuating a sentence with the word "Fact" does not actually automatically make the information contained therein factual. Fact.
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Elmofongo: I KNEW IT I KNEW CHRISTIAN RELIGIOUS WEBSITES ARE A BIOHAZARD OF MALWARE?

The thing is my mother is very religious as of late. That she's been visiting many different kinds of Christian Websites. And here 2 laptops became an unusuable mess. She probably got 1 kind of malware from whatever website she went to that gave her laptop a Jesus wallpaper.
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Klumpen0815: Haven't you people learned anything from The Binding of Isaac? ;)
Never played or watched Binding of Issac.

What happened?
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drealmer7: hahaha! VISTA! not a chance! (just having fun with you!)

I had the win10 thing there briefly but I removed it, somehow. Manual updates only, ever.
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Klumpen0815: Strange, I always imagined you to be the Linux type, being a free anti-corporate non-conformist etc...
I know I know I know. And I certainly am a linux type. When I heard about linux/unix when I was 15 or 16 I immediately wanted to switch over, but then I found out you couldn't play games on it, and so I didn't, and since I've never had the courage to switch. If I knew someone close who could walk me through it all, I'd be up for it.
No comments about the latest surprise? O_o
Post edited May 25, 2016 by phaolo
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phaolo: No comments about the latest surprise? O_o
Yes, it was quite a shocking twist to discover that my Windows 7 machine was actually Windows 10 all along.
Post edited May 25, 2016 by Grargar
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phaolo: No comments about the latest surprise? O_o
Well, I don't think it was a surprise to anyone who followed it. It did make it to the BBC front page though.
Me I have an SSD with Win7, one with Linux, and one with Win8 upgraded to 10 already, so it didn'thappen to me. A friend did mention that after installing it gives you the option to uninstal - how nice, wonder if it cleans up after itself or leaves certain "features" on there.
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nightcraw1er.488: Well, I don't think it was a surprise to anyone who followed it. It did make it to the BBC front page though.
Me I have an SSD with Win7, one with Linux, and one with Win8 upgraded to 10 already, so it didn'thappen to me. A friend did mention that after installing it gives you the option to uninstal - how nice, wonder if it cleans up after itself or leaves certain "features" on there.
I saw the article a couple of days ago too, but it's not really surprising... at this point I don't think I'd be that surprised if Microsoft just went ahead and automatically "upgraded" all Win7/8.x systems to Win10 without notice.

Here's the article for anyone interested: BBC News: Microsoft accused of Windows 10 upgrade 'nasty trick'
You'll find better info here:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3073457/windows/how-microsofts-nasty-new-windows-10-pop-up-tricks-you-into-upgrading.html

So after more than half a year of teaching people that the only way to say “no thanks” to Windows 10 is to exit the GWX application—and refusing to allow users to disable the pop-up in any obvious manner, so they had to press that X over and over again during those six months to the point that most people probably just click it without reading now—Microsoft just made it so that very behavior accepts the Windows 10 upgrade instead, rather than canceling it.

And if you don’t find that small link to reschedule or cancel the Windows 10 upgrade—or, say, if the pop up appears while you’re away from your computer—your system will automatically begin the process at the scheduled time. In other words, your PC can potentially upgrade to Windows 10 without you asking it to or explicitly approving the upgrade.
Closing the "Upgrade to Windows 10" box now counts as ACCEPTING the update, which will automatically occur 15 minutes after logging in unless canceled.
mircosoft reaching new lows :(
Post edited May 25, 2016 by mobutu
I'm not even getting upgrade offers on either the family laptop or the HTPC. I suspect for the family laptop it's because I already downloaded Windows 10 on that PC (for installation on others) and I know on the HTPC it's because it has an nForce chip, which Windows 10 considers not compatible.

Anyway, I do hope that I remember to upgrade both before the end date.
I like windows 10 but the corporation is too greedy and wants everyone to to upgrade as soon as possible even changing the X on the notification to a accept instead of closing but is it nice so older folks can use the windows 7 UI look instead of 8.

Personally sometimes i can't tell which is annoying Microsoft or users that know how to install the UI that makes 8 look like 7 and telling everyone just look it up online or program which disables the upgrade notifications because thats like asking to be 1-6 and some may contain maleware for us we can tell and look at reviews for older folks it will be harder
nice standalone portable program to check w10 "status" on your machine:
https://www.grc.com/never10.htm
For me its kind of strange that so many guys wants to upgrade "cause its free - only now!
very last chance! get it, get it!
Its only for exact this actual machine "free" and you pay once more with your privacy.
Anyhow with the next machine you have to pay for (or its preinstalled).
So its nothing then just the timeframe of this machine to the next.
As securityupdates for win7 will still be done until 2020 and even that can be expanded like at win xp cause of the huge installed basis in companys no hurry at all.
I have already enough tough time schedule at work why bother in private.
After a forced upgrade to 10, I did this to go back to 7 and then downloaded the Never10 utility that the article mentions.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3074020/windows/how-to-go-back-to-windows-7-or-8-after-an-unwanted-windows-10-upgrade.html