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Posted March 14, 2016
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joelandsonja: I've been running Windows 10 since it first came out, and I must say that it is a great operating system.

The only issues we run into are due to the automatic updates that Microsoft forces on us. Every single time our system gets an update we just go back into the settings and uninstall whatever malware or spyware Windows installed on our system. I'm starting to think Microsoft doesn't actually test their upgrades. Nearly every upgrade has resulted in some kind of problem.

That being said, the system itself is stylish, easy to use and very customizable.
I was very happy with Win 10 until an update removed some software from my system without asking or warning me that it was happening. Apparently, MS considers Spybot S&D and CCleaner to be "risky" pieces of software and to protect me from using them inappropriately, it just uninstalled them. Not cool.
Posted March 14, 2016
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cogadh: I was very happy with Win 10 until an update removed some software from my system without asking or warning me that it was happening. Apparently, MS considers Spybot S&D and CCleaner to be "risky" pieces of software and to protect me from using them inappropriately, it just uninstalled them. Not cool.
I remember having a similar problem with virus software. I think Windows is scared of good virus programs finding out that Windows itself is one massive spyware program. Windows has been taking far too many liberties with their updates. It feels very intrusive. They need to include a feature that allows the user to turn off automatic updates.
Post edited March 14, 2016 by joelandsonja
Posted March 14, 2016
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joelandsonja: They need to include a feature that allows the user to turn off automatic updates.
Powershell, regedit, gpedit.msc and Services already allow users to do that. The trick is not disabling automatic updates, but doing manual ones. Get WSUS or a similar program to install only the ones you want.
Posted March 14, 2016
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joelandsonja: That being said, the system itself is stylish, easy to use and very customizable.
Many untrustworthy things come in sleek, sexy, stylish packages.

For example, Hello Barbie is very stylish (well, in certain circles). Too bad you can't trust her.

The Nissan Leaf is a sporty looking vehicle. Too bad it too can't be trusted.

One has to look beyond the allure of stylish, sleek and sexy to stay safe [these days - but it has really always been so].
Posted March 14, 2016
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joelandsonja: I've been running Windows 10 since it first came out, and I must say that it is a great operating system.

The only issues we run into are due to the automatic updates that Microsoft forces on us. Every single time our system gets an update we just go back into the settings and uninstall whatever malware or spyware Windows installed on our system. I'm starting to think Microsoft doesn't actually test their upgrades. Nearly every upgrade has resulted in some kind of problem.

That being said, the system itself is stylish, easy to use and very customizable.
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cogadh: I was very happy with Win 10 until an update removed some software from my system without asking or warning me that it was happening. Apparently, MS considers Spybot S&D and CCleaner to be "risky" pieces of software and to protect me from using them inappropriately, it just uninstalled them. Not cool.
Hence my decision not get "upgrade".
Posted March 14, 2016
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Elmofongo: Well I have done it and the Windows 10 Icon is gone.

Remember I had it since this whole thing began last year so I have not be subject to those pop up screens.

But I am not gonna update my PC at all.

I have not for long time now and so far nothing bad happened to my PC.

And I have been told that nothing bad really happens if you don't update. So long as you just keep to the safe parts of the internet.
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Gilozard: The problem is that due to ad networks and Javascript, there aren't really any safe parts of the Internet any more. It used to be that avoiding malware was a matter of avoiding sketchy sites. But with the current ad networks, any ad can be a Flash ad or have Javascript that loads malicious payloads even on perfectly respectable sites.

UBlock for ads + NoScript can do a lot...but take work to finetune so all comments are blocked, for example.

Updating is definitely better than not updating. Run this script on your PC to remove the W10 upgrade stuff and then apply the Windows updates: https://voat.co/v/technology/comments/853510
Well this is why I have AdBlock installed (And that is the ONLY REASON WHY I have it installed, the lack of ads is just a concequence. I can put up with ads as they are supposed to be, but its the fear of Malware within them that's the problem).

And I also have my Avira Anti Virus installed.

And isn't it the duty of the owners to curate the ads it displays on their websites?

If they easily allow ads containing malware or any of these Automated crap than the fault is on them.
Posted March 14, 2016
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joelandsonja: They need to include a feature that allows the user to turn off automatic updates.
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JMich: Powershell, regedit, gpedit.msc and Services already allow users to do that. The trick is not disabling automatic updates, but doing manual ones. Get WSUS or a similar program to install only the ones you want.
The great thing about Windows is the amount of third party software available to solve Windows problems. =)
Posted March 14, 2016
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Elmofongo: Well this is why I have AdBlock installed
uBlock Origin has a much smaller memory footprint than AdBlock, so it may be worth it to switch.

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Elmofongo: And isn't it the duty of the owners to curate the ads it displays on their websites?
A website has an ad rotation from a specific ad provider. Said ad provider does check their ads, but it takes some time, in which period the ads may or may not be displayed. Especially in the case of 0-day exploit, the ad may not be flagged as malicious until the exploit is disclosed.
If the website owner chooses their own ads, then yes, it is their fault, but few do that.
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JMich: Powershell, regedit, gpedit.msc and Services already allow users to do that. The trick is not disabling automatic updates, but doing manual ones. Get WSUS or a similar program to install only the ones you want.
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joelandsonja: The great thing about Windows is the amount of third party software available to solve Windows problems. =)
True, especially when they just do stuff first party software already does. The ability to download and install updates manually is included in powershell, but if one isn't aware that they can disable automatic updates on Win10, I find it best to point them towards the "one click" solution.
Do ask if you want info on how to do that with Windows' own tools though, I think I should be able to dig up the relevant MDL thread.
Post edited March 14, 2016 by JMich
Posted March 14, 2016
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Elmofongo: Well this is why I have AdBlock installed
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JMich: uBlock Origin has a much smaller memory footprint than AdBlock, so it may be worth it to switch.

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Elmofongo: And isn't it the duty of the owners to curate the ads it displays on their websites?
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JMich: A website has an ad rotation from a specific ad provider. Said ad provider does check their ads, but it takes some time, in which period the ads may or may not be displayed. Especially in the case of 0-day exploit, the ad may not be flagged as malicious until the exploit is disclosed.
If the website owner chooses their own ads, then yes, it is their fault, but few do that.
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joelandsonja:
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JMich:
1. I know you are offering me better options than AdBlock but so far I am content with it. And I don't notice or understand this "Memory Footprint" you are mentioning.


2. So a ad's malicious content has to have happened in the first place for it to be later flagged as dangerous malware? Because I feel sorry for the person who had it to suffer through it first to than tell other people to flag it as malware.
Posted March 14, 2016
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Elmofongo: But I am not gonna update my PC at all.
Just try this: http://www.chip.de/downloads/CHIP-Windows-10-Zwangs-Update-Stopper_83248302.html

Download "CHIP_Windows10UpdateStopper.exe" and run as admin.
If you see the question "Enable or Disable OS Upgrade?" press d.

Now the connections, which are downloading the Windows 10 Upgrade files should be blocked.
This may help you for now, if you don`t want to get the upgrade files again on your machine (after you´ve deleted them.)
Post edited March 14, 2016 by Pixelion
Posted March 14, 2016
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Elmofongo: But I am not gonna update my PC at all.
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Pixelion: Just try this: http://www.chip.de/downloads/CHIP-Windows-10-Zwangs-Update-Stopper_83248302.html

Download "CHIP_Windows10UpdateStopper.exe" and run as admin.
If you see the question "Enable or Disable OS Upgrade?" press d.

Now the connections, which are downloading the Windows 10 Upgrade files should be blocked.
This may help you for now, if you don`t want to get the upgrade files again on your machine (after you´ve deleted them.)
I will continue to just not update my Windows but I will keep your offer in mind. Its just that right now I am busy studying for college stuff and all this just sounds like a lot of work to set up.
Post edited March 14, 2016 by Elmofongo
Posted March 14, 2016
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Elmofongo: 2. So a ad's malicious content has to have happened in the first place for it to be later flagged as dangerous malware?
No.
Let's say that a new vulnerability appears for a piece of software, that allows specifically written code to run arbitrary code. Once the vulnerability has been identified, it can be patched, and the specifically written code can be identified as malware. If the vulnerability is not identified, the code may be seen as gibberish.
Posted March 14, 2016
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Elmofongo: ...all this just sounds like a lot of work to set up.
Nope, it´s done in less than 2 minutes. :)
Post edited March 14, 2016 by Pixelion
Posted March 14, 2016
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joelandsonja: I've been running Windows 10 since it first came out, and I must say that it is a great operating system.

The only issues we run into are due to the automatic updates that Microsoft forces on us. Every single time our system gets an update we just go back into the settings and uninstall whatever malware or spyware Windows installed on our system. I'm starting to think Microsoft doesn't actually test their upgrades. Nearly every upgrade has resulted in some kind of problem.

That being said, the system itself is stylish, easy to use and very customizable.
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cogadh: I was very happy with Win 10 until an update removed some software from my system without asking or warning me that it was happening. Apparently, MS considers Spybot S&D and CCleaner to be "risky" pieces of software and to protect me from using them inappropriately, it just uninstalled them. Not cool.
Yeah another one of MS's stupid moves WRT Windows 10. I'm still happy with my Win 10 install, but I have to block 7 from upgrading on at least one of my VMs, because I need to support a variety of Windows OS' in my work.

Except for Vista because, seriously.
Posted March 14, 2016
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I am tired of people worrying that Windows 10 is somehow spyware. Are that many people up to that much legally questionable stuff? Do they really think Microsoft really gives a flying toss about the porn they watch? Not to mention, if these same people kept updates on, they've already joined the telemetrics. Not to mention, many of you probably have a Facebook anyway.

Also, I've never had any software vanish under mysterious circumstances on WIndows 10. Remember to download your software from the actual sources, people. :V Not C-Net or whatever mysterious place you procured them from. Check the URLs, too. Sure, I've had SmartScreen appear a few times and try and stop me from running software so fresh that the paint was still drying, but you can negotiate with that. I've had no issues whatsoever with Windows 10 otherwise.

To put it more neatly, I'm both a nihilist and sage when it comes to my data.

Not only do I not really know or care what data there is, but also, I'm not even sure any of it matters. It isn't like I'm torrenting 40 TB of Estonian fetish pornography. And even if I was, I bet that'd make Microsoft mark my data as invalid for inquiry and discard the lot, seeing as I'm not a consumer they're interested in.
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