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Posted May 27, 2016
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zeroxxx: Taking advantage of ignorance is definitely isn't good behavior but lack of paying attention is users' problems.
You're trying to shift the blame again?

This is clearly and unambiguously the fault of MS and only MS. As others have written, MS are relying on pure malware practices in order to push Win10 on people. But then, I guess you're one of the people who blame malware on careless users rather than the people who, you know, write the malware.

Consider this, then. There are Win7 PCs which are used in business-critical or research-critical situations, often non-enterprise because most smaller entities can't get it. These machines are regularly left on auto-update with no interaction. They are generally all but forgotten about, because as long as the system is up and things are working, nobody needs to do anything to them. There have been cases of these PCs auto-updating to Win10, breaking everything in the process because the critical software will only run on Win7. Is this the fault of the user too?

I know you have no problems with Win10, and you think that anyone complaining about Win10 is exaggerating everything, but geez - I think you need to recalibrate your perceptometer.
Posted May 27, 2016
If I owned a business and it relied on my computers. I would turn off auto updating at work just like I do at home. It's not unheard of for windows updates to bork things up sometimes, so I wouldn't take the chance. I would just grab the security updates every week and pick the other ones I need. It tells you exactly what each update is for. Would never have to worry about this sort of thing happening then either.
Like, do I really need that update that changes daylight savings time on my clock for a timezone that is on the other side of the globe? No I don't, there are many more I don't need either. Including Windows 10.
I will purchase windows 10 for my next build, but I'll be damned if they are going to force it on me for this machine. lol
Post edited May 27, 2016 by Tamamba
Posted May 27, 2016
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amrit9037: never got any such invitation.
Now I am confused.
Should I be Happy or Sad?
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Darvond: Sad. In spite of the few angry reports, Windows 10 is pretty nice.
May I ask what is nice about win10? Just from a few weeks of use I am not convinced. The start bar is not in any sense as good as the old one, and still retains the hated metro interface. I have yet to find those applications I used to use a lot - notepad, snipping tool etc. After several weeks I have managed to remove the bloatware that is installed - music player, video players etc, as I have a suite of apps that I like to to use. Not to mention all the spyware which you have to turn off, an irrevocable broken web browser etc.

In terms of winows 8.1 it is an improvement, boots faster, loads slightly faster, windows/icons and such are sharper, but then win8 was pretty awful. This seems to be another business tactic, release a really poor OS, that way people will rave about the next one (Vista -> 7 for example).

Currently I haven't found anything in Win10 that I would want to use over previous versions, though I do understand that in the future DX versions will be 10 only for instance, so progress has to be made.

I do think this whle thing has been quite damaging for M$, not so much in terms of people moving to other OS's, although that has happened, but in subtle other ways as well. They have lost the trust of their users, one symptom of this is people turning off automatic updates which reduces the control M$ have over the software. There is also the fact that those of us who have used all M$ products for decades, will now also be looking around a bit more closely at other options, linux obviously isn't going to knock Windows off the perch this year, but it has made inroads because of this.

You will note the above is not made in anger, merely what I have obsevered since I updated my Win8.1 install to 10 (i retain other SSD's with Win7 and Linux on, and as a long time user a bit sad that this is the way things have gone - pretty much since Gates left (remember hotmail no longer works, even on their own browsers - runined, Office - dreadful product ever since they changed to ribbons and now moving to cloud based, IE - should not be allowed to be shipped with OS's its so bad).
Posted May 27, 2016
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Darvond: Sad. In spite of the few angry reports, Windows 10 is pretty nice.
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nightcraw1er.488: May I ask what is nice about win10? Just from a few weeks of use I am not convinced. The start bar is not in any sense as good as the old one, and still retains the hated metro interface. I have yet to find those applications I used to use a lot - notepad, snipping tool etc. After several weeks I have managed to remove the bloatware that is installed - music player, video players etc, as I have a suite of apps that I like to to use. Not to mention all the spyware which you have to turn off, an irrevocable broken web browser etc.
Settings for privacy and updates are intentionally hard to find and turn off, Cortana is always on if you want her or not. A number of the options are 'this will turn back on after a while'. Services in the management window are greyed out and you have to use the Registry editor to add a key to disable them.
Posted May 27, 2016
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nightcraw1er.488: May I ask what is nice about win10? Just from a few weeks of use I am not convinced. The start bar is not in any sense as good as the old one, and still retains the hated metro interface. I have yet to find those applications I used to use a lot - notepad, snipping tool etc. After several weeks I have managed to remove the bloatware that is installed - music player, video players etc, as I have a suite of apps that I like to to use. Not to mention all the spyware which you have to turn off, an irrevocable broken web browser etc.
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rtcvb32: Settings for privacy and updates are intentionally hard to find and turn off, Cortana is always on if you want her or not. A number of the options are 'this will turn back on after a while'. Services in the management window are greyed out and you have to use the Registry editor to add a key to disable them.
Erm, I think you misinterpret my post. I asked him what is "nice" about win10. We all know the issues with it. (Unless that was sarcasm?)
Posted May 27, 2016
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anothername: Even without the other negative stuff at this point I would refuse it purely because of how repulsive desperate MS try to force it on everybodys machine. Its disgusting.

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Gerin: After a forced upgrade to 10, I did this to go back to 7 and then downloaded the Never10 utility that the article mentions.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3074020/windows/how-to-go-back-to-windows-7-or-8-after-an-unwanted-windows-10-upgrade.html
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anothername: Looks like a cool program. Does it filter regular upgrading? So when I go to upgrade I only get the stuff that is really relevant to my OS and the W10 gets filtered out?
It will not interfere with normal Win7 updates. It just blocks Win10.
Posted May 27, 2016
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anothername: Even without the other negative stuff at this point I would refuse it purely because of how repulsive desperate MS try to force it on everybodys machine. Its disgusting.

Looks like a cool program. Does it filter regular upgrading? So when I go to upgrade I only get the stuff that is really relevant to my OS and the W10 gets filtered out?
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Gerin: It will not interfere with normal Win7 updates. It just blocks Win10.
Thanks :)
Posted May 27, 2016
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nightcraw1er.488: Erm, I think you misinterpret my post. I asked him what is "nice" about win10. We all know the issues with it. (Unless that was sarcasm?)
I thought you had listed a bunch of complaints, so I added to them... no sarcasm there.
Posted May 27, 2016
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nightcraw1er.488: Erm, I think you misinterpret my post. I asked him what is "nice" about win10. We all know the issues with it. (Unless that was sarcasm?)
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rtcvb32: I thought you had listed a bunch of complaints, so I added to them... no sarcasm there.
Ok, but if were listing out complaints it might take a while :o)
Posted May 27, 2016
Is Linux able to reliably run Windows programs and be user friendly? I am wanting to migrate away from Windows for my next computer, but I have a lot of games and tools that I don't want to abandon.
Post edited May 27, 2016 by Sabin_Stargem
Posted May 28, 2016
Wine can't run everything but many Windows games (and other software) do work very well with it, plus it's constantly improving so even if something doesn't work right now it's only a matter of time before it does. There's a thread here about GOG games that work in Wine: The "Judas™ does this run in Wine" thread

Plus more and more games are being released natively for Linux now (or otherwise getting official Linux releases via Wine, DOSBox etc.) :)

As for user-friendlyness, in my experience Linux distros like Linux Mint are about as user-friendly as Windows. For the most part it's no harder to use, just different. I wrote a beginner's guide some time ago if you'd like to take a look: The "Try Linux" Repost/Rewrite (a "beginner's guide")
Posted May 28, 2016
It looks like MS is again trying to push out KB3035583 to everyone (the update that installs GWX), so for everyone who declined and hid this update you'll need to do so again if you want to avoid Win10 nagware.
Posted May 28, 2016
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ncameron: You're trying to shift the blame again?

This is clearly and unambiguously the fault of MS and only MS. As others have written, MS are relying on pure malware practices in order to push Win10 on people. But then, I guess you're one of the people who blame malware on careless users rather than the people who, you know, write the malware.

Consider this, then. There are Win7 PCs which are used in business-critical or research-critical situations, often non-enterprise because most smaller entities can't get it. These machines are regularly left on auto-update with no interaction. They are generally all but forgotten about, because as long as the system is up and things are working, nobody needs to do anything to them. There have been cases of these PCs auto-updating to Win10, breaking everything in the process because the critical software will only run on Win7. Is this the fault of the user too?

I know you have no problems with Win10, and you think that anyone complaining about Win10 is exaggerating everything, but geez - I think you need to recalibrate your perceptometer.
That applies for everything, not just Windows 10 incident.

Let me repeat, failing to read or understand things is definitely users' fault. In no shape or form would I try to shift the blame. Period.

Do I think Microsoft have gone too far? Yes. Do I think they're pushing too much lately? Yes. Do I think it's their whole fault for those Windows 10 upgrades by accident? No. They're mostly responsible, but many users simply don't read the messages in front of them. I have seen one user in my place that I warned explicitly not to click anything if she doesn't understand it, yet she did (and caused the Windows to upgrade).
Post edited May 28, 2016 by zeroxxx
Posted May 28, 2016
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zeroxxx: [..] failing to read or understand things is definitely users' fault. [..]
Do I think Microsoft have gone too far? Yes.
Do I think it's their whole fault [..] many users simply don't read the messages in front of them. [..]
Well, at least you finally realized that MS is using crappy tactics..

Unfortunately, clicking the same X for the 100th time allows not reading anything, because X always meant "cancel+close" in such dialogs, not "accept".
The only user's fault is that they trusted Microsoft.
Posted May 28, 2016
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phaolo: The only user's fault is that they trusted Microsoft.
+1 :)
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