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TStael: Well, at noon today (at Sat, today) there is supposed to be a demonstration at Downing Street about Cameron and his off-shore birth-right..

You seem fairly resigned, but Icelanders were not.

Is it very unkind to ask why?
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nightcraw1er.488: Not a demonstration in London, I suppose by tomorrow we will all be living in utopia. The only thing that will change, is for that one day the Saudi's who own London will have to keep their golden Bentleys in the garage whilst outside the outraged unemployed and students complain about the world.

You may think that is cynical, doesn't necessarily make it wrong though. Belgium didn't have a government for months, did anyone notice? No, because it just a thin veneer on the working machine of money, and the old saying "you either have it, or complain" is too true.
Well, at least Scotland and Wales seem to think they have Dubfire & Miss Kittin solution:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dem4qBwWVdY

Not from the EU though, for the record. ;-)

Corbyn has gloriously - from my perspective - been lambasted by the Saudis for being hostile - so why do you prefer to think political process is impotent?

I did note the Belgium thing, perso.
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cogadh: Oh, I totally get that. Almost none of what is in the papers is actually illegal, though some of it is very unethical or just plain shitty. The really illegal stuff has been limited to a few shell companies being used for money laundering, arms dealing and drug dealing, but no major public figure has actually been connected to any of those shells.

As far as Cameron is concerned, my only issue with him as that now that his private business is on display, illegal or not, he suddenly cares about privacy. The hypocrisy is laughable.
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wpegg: w.r.t Cameratron, I agree they mismanaged the PR, he should have just declared the whole thing, and pointed out it was legal (and moral, it was just an investment fund). However it's being misrepresented very badly by opponents, and to be honest you kind of fueled that fire with your post.
Moral?

Read here:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/10/taxing-questions-of-morality-for-david-cameron-in-the-wake-of-panama-papers

Or high-lights:

"The Panama Papers story that has led to controversy about David Cameron’s tax affairs (Cameron’s trust problem, 9 April) broke in the same week that his government closed a tax avoidance scheme that helps low-paid people.

I am a supply teacher. Even though I have over a decade’s teaching experience, am available for work year round and teach shortage subjects (science and maths), my annual income is a paltry £12,000-£14,000. This letter is anonymous because I am embarrassed by my low income.

I often travel for an hour each way to work. Even though supply teachers are self-employed, tax law means that we have to be paid PAYE and therefore cannot offset expenses against tax. (*!!!)

A tax avoidance scheme – using an umbrella company – allows us to offset expenses. It is unreasonable that we have to pay an umbrella company (out of our meagre earnings) to be allowed to do what any other self-employed person is allowed to do as of right.

Name and address supplied"

* by me - where is the morality of this, compared with what you say is fine?
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TStael: Moral?

Read here:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/10/taxing-questions-of-morality-for-david-cameron-in-the-wake-of-panama-papers

Or high-lights:

"The Panama Papers story that has led to controversy about David Cameron’s tax affairs (Cameron’s trust problem, 9 April) broke in the same week that his government closed a tax avoidance scheme that helps low-paid people.

I am a supply teacher. Even though I have over a decade’s teaching experience, am available for work year round and teach shortage subjects (science and maths), my annual income is a paltry £12,000-£14,000. This letter is anonymous because I am embarrassed by my low income.

I often travel for an hour each way to work. Even though supply teachers are self-employed, tax law means that we have to be paid PAYE and therefore cannot offset expenses against tax. (*!!!)

A tax avoidance scheme – using an umbrella company – allows us to offset expenses. It is unreasonable that we have to pay an umbrella company (out of our meagre earnings) to be allowed to do what any other self-employed person is allowed to do as of right.

Name and address supplied"

* by me - where is the morality of this, compared with what you say is fine?
Oh dear. You really are terribly poor at reading up on these things aren't you?

The scheme that we know about was not tax avoiding. If it was then that anonymous speech in the Gaurdian might have some relevance. However the only scheme DC has been linked to has been an offshore trading scheme that was (and please read this bit) declared to the UK tax authorities. No tax avoidance, it was all paid. Even a brief read up of the details should have highlighted that.

So your highlights:

"I am a supply teacher..." - So? You're a low earner, understood.

"... Tax law means I cannot offset my expenses against tax..." - true, that's not anything new.

"A tax avoidance scheme – using an umbrella company – allows us to offset expenses. It is unreasonable that we have to pay an umbrella company (out of our meagre earnings) to be allowed to do what any other self-employed person is allowed to do as of right" - That's not what a tax avoidance scheme is, it's nothing to do with the subject at hand, and is nothing to do with what Cameron was accused of.

Where is the morality? You've reference a completely irrelevant set of facts. It's like me asking you where the morality is in eating a banana when someone was shot in another country trying to steal a banana. You haven't even put up a very good straw man!
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TStael: Moral?

Read here:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/10/taxing-questions-of-morality-for-david-cameron-in-the-wake-of-panama-papers


Name and address supplied"

* by me - where is the morality of this, compared with what you say is fine?
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wpegg: Oh dear. You really are terribly poor at reading up on these things aren't you?

The scheme that we know about was not tax avoiding. If it was then that anonymous speech in the Gaurdian might have some relevance. However the only scheme DC has been linked to has been an offshore trading scheme that was (and please read this bit) declared to the UK tax authorities. No tax avoidance, it was all paid. Even a brief read up of the details should have highlighted that.

So your highlights:

"I am a supply teacher..." - So? You're a low earner, understood.

"... Tax law means I cannot offset my expenses against tax..." - true, that's not anything new.

"A tax avoidance scheme – using an umbrella company – allows us to offset expenses. It is unreasonable that we have to pay an umbrella company (out of our meagre earnings) to be allowed to do what any other self-employed person is allowed to do as of right" - That's not what a tax avoidance scheme is, it's nothing to do with the subject at hand, and is nothing to do with what Cameron was accused of.

Where is the morality? You've reference a completely irrelevant set of facts. It's like me asking you where the morality is in eating a banana when someone was shot in another country trying to steal a banana. You haven't even put up a very good straw man!
I don't think I've claimed my reading to be brilliant... or?

I simply view that a supply teacher either should enjoy all associated benefits and protections of a normal employee - or an entrepreneur. Otherwise it plausibly is unfair, exploitative even. And does not the British schooling system quite need teachers as it stands?

Substance over form.

From what I know - Scandis reap the practical score thus far. Iceland PM resigning, and Metso Group Russia sales boss fired.

The Finnish investigative journalism program MOT found out that Metso Group (Finnish corporation) received a payment from Panama for a sale of components to Russia. Turned out when contacting Metso that the Russian employee had sold the said components at six-fold price to a Norwegian company. I totally endorse this, poor reading and all! ;-)
Putin states that the Panama Papers are not a fabrication: http://www.deccanherald.com/content/540478/putin-admits-panama-papers-accurate.html
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Flaose: Putin states that the Panama Papers are not a fabrication: http://www.deccanherald.com/content/540478/putin-admits-panama-papers-accurate.html
Really? well in our country news pour "shit news" that putin says panama papers are a "nonsense"
Why should someone admire this?
That there are people trying to avoid paying taxes and other helping them is a known fact for many years.
That governments from criminal countries like Britain, USA or Germany support them is also known
(at last once every year there is a report on TV about it in Germany).
So whats so special about those journalists? They got a big list and with that help pinpoint some dubious
constellations.
The only wonder is that nobody talked before they printed it.
I sincerely apologize. Exactly as i had promised. I have learnt to recognize my mistakes and errors in judgement, unlike many other people, alas...

Messi is guilty and dragged in court. As it seems, panama papers are the real thing. I humbly apologize for being preoccupied. Still, though, their revelation, especially the timing of it, seemed to be quite fishy... There are also quite a few scoundrels entangled in it, from MY place. Someone make sure they pay DEARLY for their involvement in illegal activities!? Scoundrels from MY place are the worst scoundrels the ENTIRE world round! Local crooks here are the worst, the lowliest of the low, any other crook from anywhere the world round over, simply cannot hope to compare with them! Imagine that the government in MY place, mere days ago, almost passed a new law to make the involvement of MINISTERS (*only ministers*) in OFF-SHORE companies completely LEGAL, without repercussions! Thankfully, other parties prodded them to remove it from the table...

So much for left wing's "ethos"! I like it the most, when those marxist, stalinist thugs, reveal their true face and intentions, at long last; when the mask of "the defender of the poor and needy" breaks with a high pitched sound, it is a rare spectacle to savor like nothing else!
Post edited June 03, 2016 by KiNgBrAdLeY7