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Are there amongst the fellow gog gamers people who insist on off line playability even with connectivity widely available to them?

People who laugh at the recording of play time, certain achievements .. always insist on the possibility to launch, be it steam origin or even epic games, in off line modus ?
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Zimerius: even with connectivity widely available to them?
Connectivity is NOT assured. Don't assume everyone does indeed have access to constant online services. There's millions of people in the world who haven't even heard of internet, let alone have access to it on permanent basis, and there's billions of people who do not have always on internet. Even when it is available, the service is far from being guaranteed, there are interruptions for various reasons, ranging from politics to plain piss poor infrastructure.

Point is: don't think everyone has the luxuries you do. The world is large and most people are poor, and there's a billion or more living on less than $1 a day.
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Zimerius: Are there amongst the fellow gog gamers people who insist on off line playability even with connectivity widely available to them?

People who laugh at the recording of play time, certain achievements .. always insist on the possibility to launch, be it steam origin or even epic games, in off line modus ?
Well, I don't insist on anything when it comes to steam, origin or epic, because I simply do not use them and never have. But yes, I do insist on keeping my games offline, I detest achievements and I don't want anything to do with any clients, online features, social features, and any other nonsense.
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Zimerius: Are there amongst the fellow gog gamers people who insist on off line playability even with connectivity widely available to them? People who laugh at the recording of play time, certain achievements .. always insist on the possibility to launch, be it steam origin or even epic games, in off line modus ?
Plenty. DRM-Free and 100% offline almost go hand in hand these days. And I have zero interest in streaming, achievements or game time tracking, half of which don't even make any sense for older games where, eg, you may have racked up +1,000hrs in Doom (disc version) then buy the GOG version and see "0hrs played" - what's the point?...

For many of us it's far less about "paranoia" of the Internet disappearing and more about longer-term game preservation. 20-30 years ago I wouldn't have dreamed I'd have more interest in replaying many 90-2000s games than buying new AAA's in +2020 due to their pre-consolization "feel", originality or generally the same reason why it's entirely normal to listen to / watch / read classic music / movies / books yet some have painted the false narrative it must be somehow "different" for video games but really isn't. GOG have done a lot to bring them here, update them, remove the DRM, etc. Galaxy's online 'features' along with devs shoving Farcebook & Twatter links inside their games (usually to marketing based 'communities' that shrivel up & get abandoned after 6 months) however has been zero "improvement" on anything at all for me and many others.
Post edited March 06, 2021 by AB2012
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Zimerius: even with connectivity widely available to them?
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anzial: Connectivity is NOT assured. Don't assume everyone does indeed have access to constant online services. There's millions of people in the world who haven't even heard of internet, let alone have access to it on permanent basis, and there's billions of people who do not have always on internet. Even when it is available, the service is far from being guaranteed, there are interruptions for various reasons, ranging from politics to plain piss poor infrastructure.

Point is: don't think everyone has the luxuries you do. The world is large and most people are poor, and there's a billion or more living on less than $1 a day.
Not at this time of day at least, but there are far going idea's i belief to ensure everyone becomes connected, like connectivity will be the number once concern for everyone!
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AB2012: For many of us it's far less about "paranoia" of the Internet disappearing
For me it's the reverse, it's the paranoia about Internet's pervasivness. I don't want my gaming, or any other activity of mine, tracked like that. I don't want it checked what I install, what I uninstall, how much I play, when, how, how well I'm doing etc.
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You seem to be registered here since 2013 and your rep suggests you've also frequented the forums a bit. Are you seriously asking if anyone in GOG's fanbase cares about DRM? XD

Games requiring online connectivity is a sure sign for them to be dependent on third party servers. If the servers go down for some reason, your game becomes worthless.

It's noone's business whether someone else enjoys achievements or finds it useful to record playtime, but forcing people who don't need any of it to still be online and have their data tracked and whatnot is not consumer-friendly. And offline games have the advantage that you can play them whenever you want to, even if servers go down, you have trouble with your internet, you are on the road or whatever.
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Leroux: You seem to be registered here since 2013 and your rep suggests you've also frequented the forums a bit. Are you seriously asking if anyone in GOG's fanbase cares about DRM? XD

Games requiring online connectivity is a sure sign for them to be dependent on third party servers. If the servers go down for some reason, your game becomes worthless.

It's noone's business whether someone else enjoys achievements or finds it useful to record playtime, but forcing people who don't need any of it to still be online and have their data tracked and whatnot is not consumer-friendly. And offline games have the advantage that you can play them whenever you want to, even if servers go down, you have trouble with your internet, you are on the road or whatever.
That is a interesting point you raise, how valid is the argument of applauding gog as the only drm free supplier in the world if other stores, such as the Slitherine/Matrix Store offer all of their games DRM free too not to mention that , for example Origin actually offers similar service, in that you only need to download a game once, and outside that online moment you can play any of their offline titles .. uhm offline
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Zimerius: That is a interesting point you raise, how valid is the argument of applauding gog as the only drm free supplier in the world if other stores, such as the Slitherine/Matrix Store offer all of their games DRM free too not to mention that , for example Origin actually offers similar service, in that you only need to download a game once, and outside that online moment you can play any of their offline titles .. uhm offline
The difference is that, at least to my knowledge (most of) the other stores don't advertise their games as DRM-free, so you only learn about it after buying or after extensive research, and a lot of titles still have DRM and/or online dependency, so it's like a lottery (where the odds for DRM-free are not that great). On GOG you could just buy any game on offer without worrying about that, as all games were guaranteed to be 100% DRM-free and there were no hidden online requirements in games from the catalogue. From what I hear, that might not be the case with all games here anymore, but it's still mostly true. (That being said, you won't see me, personally, applauding GOG anymore these days.)
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AB2012: For many of us it's far less about "paranoia" of the Internet disappearing and more about longer-term game preservation. 20-30 years ago I wouldn't have dreamed I'd have more interest in replaying many 90-2000s games than buying new AAA's in +2020 due to their pre-consolization "feel", originality or generally the same reason why it's entirely normal to listen to / watch / read classic music / movies / books yet some have painted the false narrative it must be somehow "different" for video games but really isn't. GOG have done a lot to bring them here, update them, remove the DRM, etc. Galaxy's online 'features' along with devs shoving Farcebook & Twatter links inside their games (usually to marketing based 'communities' that shrivel up & get abandoned after 6 months) however has been zero "improvement" on anything at all for me and many others.
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Breja: For me it's the reverse, it's the paranoia about Internet's pervasivness. I don't want my gaming, or any other activity of mine, tracked like that. I don't want it checked what I install, what I uninstall, how much I play, when, how, how well I'm doing etc.
I share both opinions at the same time. "Time played", "Achievements", etc are more useless then helpfull for gaming because the base idea of both tracking mechanics are the use of DRM and collection of user data. I hate that, personally, and one of the reasons I came to GOG.

Steam, for exemple, is so full of that, that, unfortunately, people buy games just for number of games. You even have Achievement Clicker games. Which means, games made for winning achievements for your public steam profile, it's pointless and just make Steam run slower.

Just like Breja, the feeling that they're collecting and using all my data is not good. Yes, we have Privacy policies, but, who will guarantee that they will follow all of this in practice and after the game and company closes?

Collection of data is fine, IF, the users knows exactly HOW the company will use their data and they agree with it. Otherwise this is privacy theft, imho.
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Leroux: It's noone's business whether someone else enjoys achievements or finds it useful to record playtime, but forcing people who don't need any of it to still be online and have their data tracked and whatnot is not consumer-friendly. And offline games have the advantage that you can play them whenever you want to, even if servers go down, you have trouble with your internet, you are on the road or whatever.
^ This.
This is true free market let people choose what they want and be happy.
Post edited March 06, 2021 by .Keys
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Zimerius: Not at this time of day at least, but there are far going idea's i belief to ensure everyone becomes connected, like connectivity will be the number once concern for everyone!
yeah, and who's gonna pay for that dream world of yours? You? No rich country or corporation is willing to provide free internet to every person in the world, poor countries simply can't afford it. In real world, in the meantime, children die of hunger. Internet is far down on the list of things to worry about for billions, they worry mostly about what they gonna eat tomorrow.
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Zimerius: Not at this time of day at least, but there are far going idea's i belief to ensure everyone becomes connected, like connectivity will be the number once concern for everyone!
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anzial: yeah, and who's gonna pay for that dream world of yours? You? No rich country or corporation is willing to provide free internet to every person in the world, poor countries simply can't afford it. In real world, in the meantime, children die of hunger. Internet is far down on the list of things to worry about for billions, they worry mostly about what they gonna eat tomorrow.
That dream world of mine? Lol no i belief Elon Musk for one is researching into the possibilities of satellite network over poorly developed countries, of course accompanied with cheap phones/ means of traversing the internet high ways

For the second part, i've always been/was a huge fan of the statement that : the people deserve the rulers they have ....
this hugely debatable of course but it is a truth that does seem to hold a bit of merit, on the other hand, how can you expect forces that have been clashing for what seems millennia to grow out of that clash together in a sensible manner. Even with outside help the process is humongous since in some degrees people living in other conditions in terms of richdom, peace etc could almost be considered aliens to each other. With the examples of the native tribes of america in mind. Next to overtaking a complete territory it seems to be most wisest to play the non interference card..... though with another but, if the problems in certain countries are mainly or have been suffering a lot by the so called war of the worlds game.... yea, it seems the current powerhouses have a huge degree of responsibility towards world peace but seem to lack adulthood to provide proper response... this in turn does not help in any way with poverty and abuse around the world but does help with making me feel quite uncomfortable from my western seat..... So yea, lets return back to topic and leave all the problems in the world with the right organization ok ?
Post edited March 06, 2021 by Zimerius
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Zimerius: Are there amongst the fellow gog gamers people who insist on off line playability even with connectivity widely available to them?

People who laugh at the recording of play time, certain achievements .. always insist on the possibility to launch, be it steam origin or even epic games, in off line modus ?
There are are two different, unrelated, points to this:

1. While it is true I usually have internet connectivity while gaming, that is not always true. For instance, if I play some older games on my Windows XP machines, then there is no internet connection activated (for security reasons). At some point I will also put my Windows 7 machine to offline mode for security reasons, but still keep playing games on it which e.g. have issues on Windows 10.

The reason to play games on Windows XP or 7 is that some games work better, or at all, on them. For instance, all my retail PC games which have copy protection that does not work on Windows 10, or I play e.g. "Peter Jackson's King Kong" on Windows XP because its copy protection does not work on Windows 7 or newer.

And in general, why should a single-player game require an internet connection?

2. However, even more important is the archiving of one's single-player games. If the games will not run unless they can connect to e.g. some GOG servers for whatever reason, then those games will stop working when those servers go permanently offline.

At that point it will not help you even if you still have an internet connectivity, as the games will fail anyway. The real issue is not lack of internet, but lack of the online servers that the games require.
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Zimerius: Not at this time of day at least, but there are far going idea's i belief to ensure everyone becomes connected, like connectivity will be the number once concern for everyone!
The single.player games you have will fail to run when the servers they are trying to find are put permanently offline. At that point it will not help you at all even if you are always online.
Post edited March 06, 2021 by timppu
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Zimerius: That dream world of mine? Lol no i belief Elon Musk for one is researching into the possibilities of satellite network over poorly developed countries, of course accompanied with cheap phones/ means of traversing the internet high ways

For the second part, i've always been/was a huge fan of the statement that : the people deserve the rulers they have ....
this hugely debatable of course but it is a truth that does seem to hold a bit of merit, on the other hand, how can you expect forces that have been clashing for what seems millennia to grow out of that clash together in a sensible manner. Even with outside help the process is humongous since in some degrees people living in other conditions in terms of richdom, peace etc could almost be considered aliens to each other. With the examples of the native tribes of america in mind. Next to overtaking a complete territory it seems to be most wisest to play the non interference card..... though with another but, if the problems in certain countries are mainly or have been suffering a lot by the so called war of the worlds game.... yea, it seems the current powerhouses have a huge degree of responsibility towards world peace but seem to lack adulthood to provide proper response... this in turn does not help in any way with poverty and abuse around the world but does help with making me feel quite uncomfortable from my western seat..... So yea, lets return back to topic and leave all the problems in the world with the right organization ok ?
Typical first world arrogance. Musk does not do out of kindness of the heart, he does it to make money, or he wouldn't be the richest man on earth otherwise. As for the rest, yeah, don't make sweeping statements about things you know nothing about, betraying your outrageous lack of education and shocking ignorance about true state of the world, and no one will make an issue out of it.
Post edited March 07, 2021 by anzial
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Zimerius: Are there amongst the fellow gog gamers people who insist on off line playability even with connectivity widely available to them?
Yes me. Nobody knows if I'll have an internet connection in 5, 10 or twenty years. Likely the servers the games want to talk to will be gone by then anyway. There will always be a way to make offline games work - be it through emulation, virtual machines et al. But games not working offline add a hefty layer of complexity to the endeavor.
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Zimerius: People who laugh at the recording of play time, certain achievements .. always insist on the possibility to launch, be it steam origin or even epic games, in off line modus ?
I'm not launching any client in offline mode. If a proprietary client is required to install and launch a game that's already a no-go for me. Offline installer (or simply zip/rar/7z) through a client (browser or stuff like gogrepo.py) of my choice, or no buy.
I do use Galaxy for convenience - it's an added bonus making stuff like managing the library and keeping games up-to-date a bit more simple. But it's nothing more - a convenient tool I choose to use, not a requirement. Should that ever change I'm outta here.
Post edited March 07, 2021 by toxicTom