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ClassicGamer592: Fun fact: Some GOG games sold here use a "Steam Emulator" i mean... "Ghost Wrapper" that starts 15 seconds slower to games already DRM-free on Steam...

To get these games startup faster the solution is to use a "Rube Goldberg Machine" (the same method used to make Steam games "DRM-free") on "DRM-free" GOG games legitmately bought on the biggest "DRM-free" store by replacing the Galaxy DLL... So people that get the Steam version through "other methods" still get a better experience than paying customers that wait years for a legitmate "DRM-free" GOG version lol.
Sounds hilarious but in many cases it is true. Unfortunately, many legitimate buyers of games got a worse version than those getting it in "non proper" ways... a reality a big mass will not enjoy to admit, nor even believe it, yet it is simply true.

I can just repeat the issue many times to the industry: Any DRM locked game that is still locked 6 months or more after release most likely and almost always will only hurt the legitimate buyers, no one else! It could be different for very fresh releases... yet not even this statement is immovable as a truth because many publishers who was simultaneously publishing games on GOG and Steam actually had very good sales and i was not able to find a good hint telling me "yes it did hurt the publisher". Whats ultimately considered true: The biggest sales are done in the first 6 months after release, for this reason many publishers are dropping Denuvo after (if they use it at all), which is indeed a good idea.

However... a game without one of the strongest DRM is not automatically DRM free after, it is just with less hassles toward legitimate buyers.
Post edited January 15, 2025 by Xeshra
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ClassicGamer592: Fun fact: Some GOG games sold here use a "Steam Emulator" i mean... "Ghost Wrapper" that starts 15 seconds slower to games already DRM-free on Steam...

To get these games startup faster the solution is to use a "Rube Goldberg Machine" (the same method used to make Steam games "DRM-free") on "DRM-free" GOG games legitmately bought on the biggest "DRM-free" store by replacing the Galaxy DLL... So people that get the Steam version through "other methods" still get a better experience than paying customers that wait years for a legitmate "DRM-free" GOG version lol.
Yup, and it's pretty sad. It's like Denuvo DRM, where people who pirate the game get better performance than people buying it. At the end of the day, DRM only screws over the customer.

What can you be told when Steam is the primary focus, and anything else is just a money grab or afterthought for developers? But I take 15 seconds delay over performance issues. It is funny that games that have their own GOG version start up faster than the Steam version. So you can blame steam little for it.
Post edited January 15, 2025 by Syphon72
100% true. There was many examples in which a cracked game got better performance than the "DRMed game". There was as well several cases in which Capcom was accidentally providing a DRM free version on Steam and the gamers testing it got a good bunch of more FPS without any framegeneration added. So, the myth "that a DRM may hurt performance" is true in many cases. However... there are even more issues linked to DRM, not just in some cases "performance issues"... for example the lack of any possible preservation and in some cases it may restrict modding or other stuff gamers may enjoy. On top of that, permanent offline-play is as good as impossible... only temporary, so, nothing someone could count on.
Post edited January 15, 2025 by Xeshra
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Xeshra: Nah, its not that worse for someone who already got all the game files and just may need a "cracked EXE", as this EXE can be scanned by hundreds of scanners at once and the risk of having a malware on it is, in this case, close to none.
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idbeholdME: And even then, 99.99% will be false positives. Windows Defender for example still flips out whenever you try to use any crack. Since Windows 10, always have to add them to the exceptions list or it gets immediately quarantined (even blocked from being downloaded.

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Xeshra: The true risk is rather for those who do not own the game at all and will need "the full game"... in such a case almost everything could potentially be infected and it will become difficult scanning it by hundreds of scanners this way, or even impossible. However... those people not able, or in some cases not even willing, to buy any game may be able to deal with such risks and many of them certainly know "how to get mostly clean stuff". Mainly the inexperienced people... and yes there are a lot of them, may face a lot of hassles. Intellect is a valuable resource, it can be a higher value than just sheer coins, and yes, way to many humans got a limited intellect: So they may put their foot into every dirty hole which is appearing below their footsteps and not very surprising... the dirt will accumulate very quick.
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idbeholdME: Not really the files themselves, but torrent sites can often be veritable minefields. Pop-ups, fake pages/download prompts, ads. A person with no experience could pretty easily do the wrong thing somewhere like TPB.
Hardly any serious pirate uses TPB still; most everyone from games to movies moved elsewhere, but yeah an adblock like uBlock Origin is a must. Combined with common sense, you shouldn't ever run into a virus.
Post edited January 15, 2025 by sadlyrematch
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sadlyrematch: Hardly any serious pirate uses TPB still; most everyone from games to movies moved elsewhere
Works fine for me in most cases, though I'm not really what you'd call a "serious" pirate. And if, I mostly go after older games anyway, nothing recent.

In the past 3-5 years, I think I actually pirated (a game I didn't own before) exactly 1 game, from 2011. Then did a couple "de-Steamifying torrents and that's about it.

Anything what is available on GOG and I want, I buy.
Post edited January 15, 2025 by idbeholdME
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Syphon72: Nothing is getting done because people continue to buy from companies that promote shady DRM practices or from stores that don't advocate for more DRM freedom.
DRM probably won't be going away even if many more people bought drm free games. We'd need much larger numbers. Better to buying where one wants and strip the DRM out if needed for the time being.

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Syphon72: Why support developers who don't trust us and who believe we don't own the games we pay for with our hard-earned money?
Anyone who is paying a high premium for DRM free version of some AAA games on gog or other drm free store already is.

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Shmacky-McNuts: Well look on the bright side of those "free"(wink wink) game sites. Malware laced games are like casinos. You gamble on each one, to screw you over and infect everything you own lol
You really thinking scene peples would allow their cred to be ruined by infected downloads? Also there are things called virus scanners in the current year. Very handy I would say!
Post edited January 15, 2025 by FarkyTheDog
Malware that is detected because it was generic. Stuff gets cooked up all the time. Major companies get hit every month. This is not a paranoid perspective. Its no different than human sexual habbits.
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Shmacky-McNuts: Major companies get hit every month.
Major companies often get hit when an intern clicks attachment in a shady email. Don't do dumb shit and you are good.

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Shmacky-McNuts: This is not a paranoid perspective.
Whatever you say gramps. Only using MS defender for live protection and haven't had any trouble with viruses in years.
Post edited January 15, 2025 by FarkyTheDog
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Shmacky-McNuts: Major companies get hit every month.
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FarkyTheDog: Major companies often get hit when an intern clicks attachment in a shady email. Don't do dumb shit and you are good.

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Shmacky-McNuts: This is not a paranoid perspective.
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FarkyTheDog: Whatever you say gramps. Only using MS defender for live protection and haven't had any trouble with viruses in years.
You can entirely avoid viruses or pretty much anything bad, if you know what you're doing.

Most systems become infected because users click on suspicious links or don’t understand what their doing. I witnessed a doctor almost get scammed when he called a number from one of those fake phishing pop-ups that lock your browser up. I had to stop him form doing it.

He had no idea it was a scam.
Post edited January 15, 2025 by Syphon72
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FarkyTheDog: You really thinking scene peples would allow their cred to be ruined by infected downloads?
Some already have.


Also AVs are a joke lmao
Post edited January 15, 2025 by sadlyrematch
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Syphon72: Most systems become infected because users click on suspicious links or don’t understand what their doing. I witnessed a doctor almost get scammed when he called a number from one of those fake phishing pop-ups that lock your browser up. I had to stop him form doing it.

He had no idea it was a scam.
Older family member almost did same thing. Just don't be stupid and you'll be fine.
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sadlyrematch: Also AVs are a joke lmao
This is why the first and best line of defense is being common sense. Sad it is being in short supply in current year.
Post edited January 15, 2025 by FarkyTheDog
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XeonicDevil: (....)
It's okay, just had four games there, all gothic : )

Deleted yesterday; good people working for Steam, helpful, no hassle. Wishing them well...

I just realized I might have a second account and digging for it.....
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OP realising what some of us have been saying was coming ever since Half-Life 2 originally dropped.

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FarkyTheDog: DRM probably won't be going away even if many more people bought drm free games. We'd need much larger numbers. Better to buying where one wants and strip the DRM out if needed for the time being.
Even if goldberg was a magic bullet, it's beside the point, DRM is DRM is DRM, by voting with your wallet for games on steam you are actively taking part in and promoting that DRM'd ecosystem and do literally nothing for anyone wanting DRM free releases.

I will never consider the legal route worthwhile, let alone justified when a company treats you like a criminal right out the gate.
Post edited January 16, 2025 by ReynardFox
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sadlyrematch: Not to mention some developers/publishers on Steam literally just sell you cracked copies of their own games, like Rockstar (and in some cases EA) lmao
It makes sense for large scale operations, such as those companies, but for everyone else, it does seem like a taxing and bad-faith practice.

DRM waves a giant red flag.
I did that to myself again. Sadly rematch is done, P-t. I wouldn't touch those accounts without your help.

Sacrificed some games and donated £1 to Steam because they have nice people there helping me to close the account.
I like them. That's me on Steam
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/3014556944181502805/?tscn=1603324869
tried to be gentlemanly, unlike some tongue-sticking people or sad rematches.

Dear Steam, please keep'em on the leash xD Flapping gums and fogging Steam to death on the GOG's forum pushed me to that move. Don't let them do cherry rip here, it's fruitless.

So.... it's happening... I am steamless... I feel deflated now..... I need something sweet, maybe keys.
Too blue to be true..... what if I have a third account :O Deep search....
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