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eando52: snip
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Outriders: Welcome to GOG!
And don't miss all the free games.

https://www.gog.com/games?page=1&sort=popularity&price=free&hide=dlc
Thank you; I didn't know about these. This might be a new career!
Post edited January 05, 2021 by eando52
A fantastic resource for most games is PCGamingWiki: http://www.pcgamingwiki.com

You'll get a wealth of information about each of your games, including version differences, where to find and how to install patches and other essential improvements (FYI: GOG usually has any official patches applied by default), where the game's configuration files are stored, and how to work around common bugs and issues. On many games, you'll also find information on tweaks and modifications such as getting a controller to work with a game that doesn't normally support one or getting an older game to take better advantage of modern hardware (wide screen support, enhanced graphics quality, etc.)

Also, look at the forums here on GOG for each of your games and check the "STICKY" threads pinned to the top of each forum. They also include essential info like unofficial but highly-recommended patches and tweaks to improve the games, workarounds for known issues, links to strategy guides, etc.
Post edited January 05, 2021 by Ryan333
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eando52:
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Ixamyakxim: Don't forget a flight stick while you're ordering. I'm pretty sure some of those old flight sims won't even start without a flightstick (though I guess maybe you can "fake" it with something like Joy2Key or some such program? - I'd ask someone with more experience if that would work).

Also, those flight sims are AWESOME - and don't feel bad for jotting down keystrokes ;) There's a reason they came with button reference maps! Heck, I kept stick it notes when I played them in my "gaming prime" - nevermind when I was older. Keep in mind, especially the Star Wars series - they are very much reflex / hand eye coordination games - something that tends to fade when you're older. And they were tough back in the day - try not to get frustrated - they are AMAZING games, but if ends up being too much don't sweat it too much - they're tough on all of us ;)

Heroes of Might and Magic might be your best bet to start off with. It's an fantastic game you can play over and over - it's got a great pace and really lets you pore over your turns... or just jump in and start messing around to see how it all works.

It's a great one to sort of kindle the gamer in you. And like I said, it lends itself nicely to acclimating to PC games at your own pace.
Many thanks. I've got some basic arcade shoot'em up's which might help, and they're good for a bit of fun.
I tried learning to use a controller when I was thirty-eight with no luck and went back to keyboard, mouse and a big joystick. Maybe others will have more luck. I persisted for up to hundreds of hours to learn some types of games with unwilling muscles. Patience and persistance.
Don't feel hesitant to use Walkthroughs or Guides if you get stuck in a game. I've wasted too many hours trying to figure something out on my own when I could have just Googled it and saved myself the frustration.

These often have good recommendations and sometimes list known bugs or game breaking quests to avoid. A lot of these were made by people who have played the game in question quite a bit, enough to inspire the creation of the said guide or walkthrough.

I will caution that you to avoid reading too deeply to avoid spoilers if you want a fresh gaming experience.

Welcome to GOG and pc gaming and Happy New Year!
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Post edited January 06, 2021 by gog2002x
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gog2002x: Walkthroughs or Guides...
Actually very good advice! :)
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gog2002x: Walkthroughs or Guides...
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Sachys: Actually very good advice! :)
Your advice up top was very good as well. :)

These days I tend to take the time to read the manual and not just rely on in-game tutorials, which some games don't have anyway lol.
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eando52: Is there a quick bit of advice anyone can offer to get started on these complex games, or is it a matter of patience and trial and error?
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Sachys: Read the manual if it comes with one - a fair few of the games you listed are old enough that there wont be much (if any) in game tutorial.
Also if you find yourself getting frustrated, try an easier difficulty level or just try another game.
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eando52: One thing I may need to do is to write down what actions all the buttons do and have the paper in front of me.
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Sachys: Again, the manual (assuming it comes with one) is handy here - you could print the specific page, or, if you have a tablet or smartphone, load it up on there.
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eando52: Also, are there any tips anyone can give me on using a "standard" game controller as I've never used one before? I've tried web searches, but can't find answers to my questions, which I hope are not too inane.
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Sachys: Newer games will be pretty much "plug and play" in most cases. With older games you may want to use a third party software (such as joy to key) to interpret the controller input to the keybindings in the games.
In Dosbox games theres a means to do that internally, but I forget how (hopefully somebody more versed than me can elaborate / clarify that for you).

Welcome to GOG! :)
Thanks for your advice; I've checked out Joy 2 Key.
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eando52: I discovered GOG on Boxing Day 2020, and was very impressed as I can download the games themselves for a single user. I've bought a bunch of budget games (typical stated minimum spec around 1GHz processer, 256Mb RAM, DX 9, no special graphics card) highly discounted. I'm using an old 2.8GHz 2 core duo with 4Gb RAM running Windows 10. A used 1Gb 128 bit graphics card of similar vintage (c.2010) is on order, for about £14, although the games I bought may not need it. A games controller is on order. I like to download any stuff as a file, on my online PC, then transfer it to the hard drive on the above PC which is kept offline. One is free of interruptions and the privacy is satisfying.

Hope I'm not rambling too much; I'm a pensioner and this is practically the first post I've ever done on a forum. I've downloaded and played legal free games such as Match 3's, basic Arcade, etc, but the games I bought from GOG are far more sophisticated and interesting. I'm not a gamer as I have no real experience. The heavily discounted (average 70% off) games I bought from GOG are the kind I hope to enjoy. I have some Star Wars X Wing games, Wing Commander games, Quake, Painkiller Black, Sea Dogs, Unreal Tournament, Heroes of Might and Magic, Star Trek: Starfleet Academy, Trine, Apache Longbow and others. I can't wait to get stuck in!

Is there a quick bit of advice anyone can offer to get started on these complex games, or is it a matter of patience and trial and error? One thing I may need to do is to write down what actions all the buttons do and have the paper in front of me. Also, are there any tips anyone can give me on using a "standard" game controller as I've never used one before? I've tried web searches, but can't find answers to my questions, which I hope are not too inane.
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bonzer: Hi Eando

A pensioner myself, though probably with more gaming experience.

It looks as though you have just started to dip into "more complex" games than before.

Firstly, Don't be afraid to try "easy mode" if the chance is there.
Second, there is usually a manual available as an "extra" but they can also be found in the main directory of many older games. Usually a PDF file.
Third, if you are looking for "what to expect" Youtube is your friend. There are reviews, gameplay, tips etc on pretty well any game. As a pensioner you probably have the time to find and view some of these. Both for current and potential purposes.

Can't help with the controller side. I have always used Mouse / keyboard, though some joystick for flight sims in the past when I was sharper.

Let me know if you want deeper info or more on another aspect.
Thank you; I'll try having Youtube and instructions set up on a tablet.
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pkk234: I've seen this right before going to bed, so I'll add more later on. Or people will give you answers.

Trial and error/patience is definitely the game. Especially if you're going to use a controller mainly. I've been gaming for so long I can't remember the last time a controller felt foreign in my hands.

Having said that, some of the games you've listed seem to be FPS (First Person Shooter) games. I think most would agree that using a keyboard and mouse would be more intuitive for these games. Mainly because you use the mouse to move your vision around. You may need to tweak some settings to your liking to avoid motion sickness if you are prone to that, especially with some older games.

I believe for Heroes of Might and Magic you really only need a mouse.

I can't say much about the dogfighting games.

Not to overwhelm you with information, but Into the Breach is a very good game that requires very little in terms of PC power. It is also a very straight forward game, as it shows you everything that is going on and is easy to parse.
I also recommend A Short Hike as it is very relaxing.

I hope you have fun, welcome to PC gaming.
Thanks for your help. Point taken about FPS games, and I've noted the games you've mentioned.
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eando52: I discovered GOG on Boxing Day 2020, and was very impressed as I can download the games themselves for a single user. I've bought a bunch of budget games (typical stated minimum spec around 1GHz processer, 256Mb RAM, DX 9, no special graphics card) highly discounted. I'm using an old 2.8GHz 2 core duo with 4Gb RAM running Windows 10. A used 1Gb 128 bit graphics card of similar vintage (c.2010) is on order, for about £14, although the games I bought may not need it. A games controller is on order. I like to download any stuff as a file, on my online PC, then transfer it to the hard drive on the above PC which is kept offline. One is free of interruptions and the privacy is satisfying.

Hope I'm not rambling too much; I'm a pensioner and this is practically the first post I've ever done on a forum. I've downloaded and played legal free games such as Match 3's, basic Arcade, etc, but the games I bought from GOG are far more sophisticated and interesting. I'm not a gamer as I have no real experience. The heavily discounted (average 70% off) games I bought from GOG are the kind I hope to enjoy. I have some Star Wars X Wing games, Wing Commander games, Quake, Painkiller Black, Sea Dogs, Unreal Tournament, Heroes of Might and Magic, Star Trek: Starfleet Academy, Trine, Apache Longbow and others. I can't wait to get stuck in!

Is there a quick bit of advice anyone can offer to get started on these complex games, or is it a matter of patience and trial and error? One thing I may need to do is to write down what actions all the buttons do and have the paper in front of me. Also, are there any tips anyone can give me on using a "standard" game controller as I've never used one before? I've tried web searches, but can't find answers to my questions, which I hope are not too inane.
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kohlrak: Alot fo these complex games require some degree of trying to see the world through the eyes of the character. The more fantasy oriented, the more you have to entertain in your mind to see how it works. For example, if you play morrowind, if they say to make a left at the tree with scratch marks, you're gonna have to figure out what "scratch marks" might look like in comparison to the other trees there, and you're gonna have to understand the characters address you for your character, not you personally. Something like Huniepop, however, is a bit more shallow and doesn't require as much. Perhaps if you told us what purchases you've made, or considered, it would be easier to cater the advice.
Thanks for your help.
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LynXsh: only one advice: just enjoy your games! play 'em the way YOU like. and have fun.
also, I'm by no means an expert but don't games you've listed go well with just mouse and keyboard?

aaand welcome!
Thanks! Yes, others agree about using mouse and keyboard.
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blueGretsch: Start on a lower difficulty, a large number of games will allow you to increase the difficulty as you go, should you feel the need to do so. Older games are, in my experience, more difficult than newer or modern ones.

Most older games don't have particularily good controller support in my opinion, some are even quite difficult to get working well, or downright bad with a controller. So I would also invest in a really good and comfortable mouse and keyboard set.

Someone already mentioned the manuals. Most older games, pre-2005 or so, will require you to read a manual in order understand what to do and how to play it, depending on the genre to some extent.
Thanks for your advice.
Post edited January 06, 2021 by eando52
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Titanium: Hey man, welcome to the site. That's a nice little selection you've put together, and there is quite a bit of diversity on technical complexity and the overall feel of gameplay.

Everyone plays the games differently. It's first and foremost your personal experience and how you chose to do it is completely up to you. Some go in gun-ho and try their best without much preparations, but others like a more methodical approach and study and prepare of it. Having a "cheet sheet" or notebook hady is actually a very common way to play, especially if a game is older since there wasn't as much in game help and tutorials as there are today.

For most of your games you won't actually need a game controller, as they can be, or might have only been intended to play with a mouse and keyboard. Heroes of might and magic for instance is a strategy game where you can do everything with a mouse and would be tedious to play with anything else.

Do note that as much as people today might try, getting really old games to work on new hardware is rarely as straightforward and almost never without issues. Some may not work very well or have sound issues, or the controller might not be detected at all. The latter is unfortunately almost to be expected since a lot of older games were meant to be played with a joystick or even just a keyboard. But today there are many ways to make things work, you only need patience and a desire to learn new things.

We can definitely help you if you get stuck with anything, so go ahead and ask. Again, welcome!
Many thanks. Although I've chosen games I hope to enjoy, there may well be some I can't get on with. I regard my choices as a bit of a gamble, although the games are very inexpensive, so if one or two games don't work I won't lose too much. The few I've checked so far seem OK on Windows 10.
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eando52: Heroes of Might and Magic
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WinterSnowfall: I would skip the first title in the series and start off with Heroes of Might and Magic II. It's still a game I very much enjoy playing to this day and occasionally revisit. It's part of an amazing series that polishes on what was a relatively rough start with the first game.

My recommendation with this, and any other game for that matter, is to try it out yourself first, see what you can figure out and what you can't, and then, if you feel the need to, watch someone else play it on youtube or a similar site, with the accompanying "Oh, so that's what that was!" and "Oooooh, I see now!". We all go through it at some point, especially with some games that can be as challenging/complex as a full time job, or when exploring a new genre.

And above all else, have fun!
Thanks for your help. Heroes of Might and Magic has come up a couple of times. I think I'll start with this, and spend time getting documentation and everything to hand before actually starting the game.
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eando52: I discovered GOG on Boxing Day 2020, and was very impressed as I can download the games themselves for a single user. I've bought a bunch of budget games (typical stated minimum spec around 1GHz processer, 256Mb RAM, DX 9, no special graphics card) highly discounted. I'm using an old 2.8GHz 2 core duo with 4Gb RAM running Windows 10. A used 1Gb 128 bit graphics card of similar vintage (c.2010) is on order, for about £14, although the games I bought may not need it. A games controller is on order. I like to download any stuff as a file, on my online PC, then transfer it to the hard drive on the above PC which is kept offline. One is free of interruptions and the privacy is satisfying.

Hope I'm not rambling too much; I'm a pensioner and this is practically the first post I've ever done on a forum. I've downloaded and played legal free games such as Match 3's, basic Arcade, etc, but the games I bought from GOG are far more sophisticated and interesting. I'm not a gamer as I have no real experience. The heavily discounted (average 70% off) games I bought from GOG are the kind I hope to enjoy. I have some Star Wars X Wing games, Wing Commander games, Quake, Painkiller Black, Sea Dogs, Unreal Tournament, Heroes of Might and Magic, Star Trek: Starfleet Academy, Trine, Apache Longbow and others. I can't wait to get stuck in!

Is there a quick bit of advice anyone can offer to get started on these complex games, or is it a matter of patience and trial and error? One thing I may need to do is to write down what actions all the buttons do and have the paper in front of me. Also, are there any tips anyone can give me on using a "standard" game controller as I've never used one before? I've tried web searches, but can't find answers to my questions, which I hope are not too inane.
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kohlrak: Oh wow, somehow i skimmed over you post too much.

Wing Commander games aren't too complex, mostly focusing on your ability to make decisions in the thick of things. These decisions (including failing to complete your mission) can impact how the game plays out in a branching storyline. However, it's still a matter of "putting the thing on the thing."

Star Trek: Starfleet Academy, well, the game goes into how you play it. Approach it as if you're Kirk. It's supposed to be an immersive simulation, so it's going to get rough with you and be unforgiving. The others, i haven't played so much.

Both games, as far as i'm aware, will assume you've read the manual. I would like to recommend morrowind or oblivion to you. Oblivion is a bit more forgiving with "quest markers" that tell you where to go, but morrowind is quite viable if you read the manual, as it's not really that complex of a game to get into (it has alot of freedom and complexity, but really easy to get your foot in the door, unlike the others you've mentioned that i'm familiar with).
Thanks, I saw the original Star Trek series which will help me relate to the game. I've started a list of games people recommend.
Post edited January 06, 2021 by eando52
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eando52: Is there anywhere I can learn about these, on the understanding that caution is needed and perhaps to back up the original file first? I have done very minor Windows registry edits and very simple command line stuff.
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WinterSnowfall: Definitely keep a backup of the original DOSBox config files. It's probably best to use the defaults at first and only adjust things like windowed/fullscreen behavior if you really feel the standard doesn't fit what you are looking for.

That being said, if you feel like tinkering, there's a very descriptive (and scary) wiki about what every line in a config file is, here: https://www.dosbox.com/wiki/Dosbox.conf

Ultimately it's not the end of the world even if you do somehow break something, since you could always uninstall then reinstall the affected game, which would reset everything.
Thank you. Reinstalling should be easy as I'm setting up my "entertainment" PC with a 1Tb HDD to store games, videos, etc and a smaller one for Windows 10 and installed software. On account of my age, it would be helpful if I can slow some games down with Dosbox!
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eando52: There has been mention of configuration settings, and I don't know whether this is within the game itself, or altering/adding commands (?). I've noticed amongst the installed files there are editable .txt files for configuration (and Dosbox, I think). On forums I've seen people alter them. Is there anywhere I can learn about these, on the understanding that caution is needed and perhaps to back up the original file first? I have done very minor Windows registry edits and very simple command line stuff.
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Titanium: In general the games are already configured to play at least somewhat good, but Dosbox is an emulator that has a lot of variables that can be edited to tweak the gameplay, make it faster or slower, play in a window or full screen and so on. Generaly configuration changes are isolated to that specific game (and even to a specific session, i.e. it resets) and shouldn't affect other games. You can read more about how to use Dosbox here.
Thanks for this; one use for Dosbox may be to slow down games that are too fast for me!
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Ixamyakxim: Don't forget a flight stick while you're ordering. I'm pretty sure some of those old flight sims won't even start without a flightstick (though I guess maybe you can "fake" it with something like Joy2Key or some such program? - I'd ask someone with more experience if that would work).

Also, those flight sims are AWESOME - and don't feel bad for jotting down keystrokes ;) There's a reason they came with button reference maps! Heck, I kept stick it notes when I played them in my "gaming prime" - nevermind when I was older. Keep in mind, especially the Star Wars series - they are very much reflex / hand eye coordination games - something that tends to fade when you're older. And they were tough back in the day - try not to get frustrated - they are AMAZING games, but if ends up being too much don't sweat it too much - they're tough on all of us ;)

Heroes of Might and Magic might be your best bet to start off with. It's an fantastic game you can play over and over - it's got a great pace and really lets you pore over your turns... or just jump in and start messing around to see how it all works.

It's a great one to sort of kindle the gamer in you. And like I said, it lends itself nicely to acclimating to PC games at your own pace.
Many thanks; I will start off with Heroes of Might and Magic. I like flying and space games, and if Dosbox is used for the flight sims, I may be able to slow down the Star Wars games to allow for my age.
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Ryan333: A fantastic resource for most games is PCGamingWiki: http://www.pcgamingwiki.com

You'll get a wealth of information about each of your games, including version differences, where to find and how to install patches and other essential improvements (FYI: GOG usually has any official patches applied by default), where the game's configuration files are stored, and how to work around common bugs and issues. On many games, you'll also find information on tweaks and modifications such as getting a controller to work with a game that doesn't normally support one or getting an older game to take better advantage of modern hardware (wide screen support, enhanced graphics quality, etc.)

Also, look at the forums here on GOG for each of your games and check the "STICKY" threads pinned to the top of each forum. They also include essential info like unofficial but highly-recommended patches and tweaks to improve the games, workarounds for known issues, links to strategy guides, etc.
Thank you; I've started compiling a simple general guide with recommended games and useful links such as the one you've provided.
Post edited January 06, 2021 by eando52
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Themken: I tried learning to use a controller when I was thirty-eight with no luck and went back to keyboard, mouse and a big joystick. Maybe others will have more luck. I persisted for up to hundreds of hours to learn some types of games with unwilling muscles. Patience and persistance.
Thank you; I'll keep an open mind about controllers. I'm new to "serious" games and everything seems to be experimental at this stage but will give it time.
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gog2002x: Don't feel hesitant to use Walkthroughs or Guides if you get stuck in a game. I've wasted too many hours trying to figure something out on my own when I could have just Googled it and saved myself the frustration.

These often have good recommendations and sometimes list known bugs or game breaking quests to avoid. A lot of these were made by people who have played the game in question quite a bit, enough to inspire the creation of the said guide or walkthrough.

I will caution that you to avoid reading too deeply to avoid spoilers if you want a fresh gaming experience.

Welcome to GOG and pc gaming and Happy New Year!
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Thank you for your advice.

I would like to offer my thanks for the amazing and helpful responses to my original post. The advice received will save me a lot of grief. I'm unsure of forum protocol, and marked one reply as SOLVED. This may have been a mistake as I planned to click SOLVED on all the replies as they were all helpful, but can only click one reply. This may have limited the response to my original post. This is practically my first experience of using a forum.

Is there anything I can do about this?
Post edited January 06, 2021 by eando52
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WinterSnowfall: Definitely keep a backup of the original DOSBox config files. .
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eando52: Thank you. Reinstalling should be easy as I'm setting up my "entertainment" PC with a 1Tb HDD to store games, videos, etc and a smaller one for Windows 10 and installed software. On account of my age, it would be helpful if I can slow some games down with Dosbox!
If it's within the budget, might want to consider an SSD drive. They are a lot cheaper than they used to be and prices went down again recently with a Samsung 860 EVO 500gb for around $55.

Also, all the Dosbox based games I've bought from GOG so far haven't needed any tweeks to slow down the game speed. Not to say there aren't any, I just didn't run across any personally and I probably have many of the DnD / RPG based ones.

I can pretty much say I no longer miss my HDD, except the external ones used to backup my game files.
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eando52: Thank you. Reinstalling should be easy as I'm setting up my "entertainment" PC with a 1Tb HDD to store games, videos, etc and a smaller one for Windows 10 and installed software. On account of my age, it would be helpful if I can slow some games down with Dosbox!
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gog2002x: If it's within the budget, might want to consider an SSD drive. They are a lot cheaper than they used to be and prices went down again recently with a Samsung 860 EVO 500gb for around $55.

Also, all the Dosbox based games I've bought from GOG so far haven't needed any tweeks to slow down the game speed. Not to say there aren't any, I just didn't run across any personally and I probably have many of the DnD / RPG based ones.

I can pretty much say I no longer miss my HDD, except the external ones used to backup my game files.
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I was thinking of trying to slow down the X Wing fighter games I have as they're said to be fast. Having said this, in spite of my age, I'll need to speed up.

Thanks for the mention of backing up game files; it didn't occur to me for games, even though I'm careful to do backups as a rule.
Post edited January 06, 2021 by eando52
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eando52: Is there anything I can do about this?
I'm almost certain no one here minds that, so you shouldn't worry. In general, I think this was mostly implemented so that if someone searches for a solution for a technical issue and finds a thread where his exact issue was already discussed, this method just highlights the method the original poster found to be helpful. In short, it expedites the question/answer route.

Anyway, enjoy your games and stick around, don't be shy to post on the forum, that's what it's for.
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eando52: Is there anything I can do about this?
Don't worry about it -- when multiple answers are equally good, most people just pick the first answer as the solution. Aside from visibly flagging one response as "the solution", the only other effect is giving the respondent a few extra reputation points, which are largely meaningless. (Welcome to the forum where everything's made up and the points don't matter.)