Oh. My brain must be shutting down. Sorry. :D

Name one country, any country around the world that if you asked that countries government, would they like more control over the internet yes or no, how many would actually say no??

Enjoy the free flowing internet while you can people, it aint gonna last forever, that's a given.

Acoording to my sources (one being a video of a German lawyer) hyperlinks are excluded. Article 11 is refering to headlines and snippets only. I would love to read it myself but so far could not find it in wriiting.

Edit: Found it. It's here.

On page 20 it says: "2a. The rights referred to in paragraph 1 shall not extend to acts of hyperlinking."

But how often does someone link something without telling you what it is aka "Headline" or "Snippet". Most source citations also traditionally include the "Headline" as well. Such citations used to fall under "fair use" provisions which also allowed small snippets. The problem is exacerbated if you are holding the service providers responsible. What are they supposed to do about it that makes any sense except to ban all links? They certainly cannot provide the manpower to check if people have gotten the proper licenses. Research papers use proper citations. How is that handled?

I don't think it makes sense to overreact, because nothing has passed yet, but the fact it has gotten this far is concerning. Google forced the laws to collapse before, and they will likely do so again.

Edit: I see they have provided exclusions for research institutions, but again, the question of how this applies to service providers and how they distinguish from proper use is interesting

Thanks for the link Marko - I will read it with interest.

In a way, this is similar to the GDPR, and it's been a long-time coming. If this is to be fully implemented in practice, we are talking about serious "spyware" present throughout the net, monitoring literally everything. I do wonder to what extent will this affect the position of, for example, domain and host providers, publishers, web admins, etc.

Legislation is powerless against the Internet, as it has been proven time and time again.
I don't think I need to explain why. If you want to do something on the web, you'll do something on the web. Plenty of ways to become invisible.
Of course, to do so you must break laws... but again, are people made to follow laws or laws made for people?

The problem is another, see post 7.

Don't get me wrong - we are definitely on the same page here. It's amazing how politicians that we (more or less) voted can go so much against the will of those who voted for them. Just look at the numbers of people who signed the petition against it. Still it probably won't change a thing and I am pretty sure many think it won't get that bad. Well - I hope those are right but I fear they are wrong.

It's also interesting that those provisions for research weren't added to the text until June 12. Makes one wonder how thought out any of it is. So, as the general public, it may become a copyright violation to discuss a news story if we quote any of it? We have threads all the time discussing what people meant with the claim that 53% of people playing RPGs in a 2014 study meant or some ridiculous claim by Fox News. Quoting what we are disagreeing with would now become a copyright violation? That seems rather overbearing...and impractical to say the least.

Not entirely convinced this would be a bad thing, honestly.

Article 11 is like a law we already have in Spain, and the world hasn't ended. The main consequence is that Google News is supposed to be inaccessible from Spain, although not really because it kinda works.

What I can't figure out with Article 11 is how no one saw it coming.

I mean, given the way the certain people were acting, the ineffectiveness of the Senate, and the seemingly endless grind that the Clone Wars and turned into, it seemed so obvious that a coup was in the works and that sinister forces were primed to beset their rule over the Galaxy.





Oh wait, I'm thinking of Order 66, not Article 11.

Now I am lost. Which of the bad Star Wars movies was this again?

arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/07/new-study-shows-spains-google-tax-has-been-a-disaster-for-publishers/

Lost money, lower traffic. And for the record, Spanish publications chose to not collect any fees so that Google could continue. Does that sound like a good plan that is working fine? Google re-opened it's service as a result. It's why you don't notice a difference, because the law was ignored by Spanish publishers.

Your definition of "kinda works" is a law completely ignored.

Same happened in Germany. If publishers want to get payed they will have to stay out. So they just don't get payed and stay in.