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Posted July 06, 2017
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Thanks for bearing with us in this thread. We’d like to announce that today we’ve introduced the addition of new installers, with implemented GOG Galaxy client.

Like Destro described it back in May, we decided to separate the „new" and „classic” installers, for your choice. So if you don’t care about the features like achievements or cloud-saves and don’t want to use GOG Galaxy, you can download the „Classic Game Installer", just like it was handled before. For games that have new installers, the default download view on „My account” will show the "GOG Galaxy Game Installers" - you will notice that, as it is visibly described in „My account” game view. To download the „classic” ones, just go to „Options" and choose „Classic Installers”.

The new GOG Galaxy Game Installers were added to +100 games - a selection of all games that make use of GOG Galaxy features. I'll post the current list of games with the new installers in a separate post.
Going forward, all new games that will use GOG Galaxy features, will now receive both GOG Galaxy Game Installer and Classic Game Installer.

Introduction of GOG Galaxy Game Installers doesn’t change anything in terms of keeping the Classic Game Installers up to date. As soon as we receive an update for any game, we will prepare an updated version of the classic installer, just like it was done in the past.

Edit: Pinned.
Post edited July 06, 2017 by fables22
Posted May 25, 2017
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Stryder2931: GOG?

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1: Will games be updated at the same time? In other words, do Galaxy and non Galaxy users get game updates the same day? [...]
Game updates for standalone installers were never provided/applied on the same day as via Galaxy.

If your question refers to the Galaxy-bundled installers vs the clean ones, I don't think we're going to get any more info on the matter out of GOG.




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budejovice: Obvs I don't buy from gog anymore.

But is the malware already being distributed? I used to shop here and have updates waiting, but I won't download from the site once the changes are in effect and I'm curious which of them may already be infected.
Go ahead and download your updates. As per Destro's post #929 (pinned at the top of every page in this thread), the Galaxy bundling has been postponed, and more importantly, they're going to provide clean installers along with the affected ones.
Post edited May 25, 2017 by HypersomniacLive
Posted May 25, 2017
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budejovice: Obvs I don't buy from gog anymore.

But is the malware already being distributed? I used to shop here and have updates waiting, but I won't download from the site once the changes are in effect and I'm curious which of them may already be infected.
Obvs, cool story bro. But I have you beat.
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Posted May 26, 2017
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V4V: [...] you (Americans) shouldn't react to the actions of foreign firms based on your local circumstances and a priori assume the worst. You don't have to blindly trust either, I recommend (and at least try to take myself) a neutral stance whenever one just don't know enough to make even educated guesses. [...]
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kneekoo: That sounds fine in theory, but there's nasty management all over the world, affecting everyone. I think many of us are aware of the Volkswagen emissions scandal.

So while trust isn't necessary, we have two undeniable things: promises and facts.

Promises (June 5th, 2014):
(1) "with GOG Galaxy, being online will always be optional."
https://s26.postimg.org/bqetqgxih/gog-galaxy-always-optional.png
(2) "We call it the OPTIONAL CLIENT."
https://s26.postimg.org/75snbjdt5/optional-client.png

Facts (GOG Galaxy page):
June 2nd, 2015: GOG GALAXY is a fully optional client to install, play and update your games.
March 1st, 2016: GOG GALAXY is a fully optional client to install, play and update your games.
December 10th, 2016: GOG GALAXY is a fully optional client to install, play and update your games.
February 17th, 2017: GOG GALAXY is a fully optional client to install, play and update your games.
March 23rd, 2017: The gaming Client designed for a convenient purchasing, playing and updating games, as well as an online play between gaming platforms, GOG Galaxy is also built with optionality in mind, and a belief that you should own the games you buy.

Now promise no.1 is obviously about the games and the features that don't require online connectivity. But it also implies that you can use GOG Galaxy even without being online. This means that we should also have offline installers for GOG Galaxy, so we can store them along with our games collection. That would allow us to manage our games wherever we are and whenever we get back online we will have the chance to update everything we want. With all this madness in this thread I still haven't seen a statement about offline installers for GOG Galaxy. So is this promise about to be broken?

Promise no.2 is currently broken or planned to be broken. Having installers with GOG Galaxy stuffed in, even the stub installer, and also pre-set to be installed, makes this NOT OPTIONAL, but an OPT-OUT. They took a politician-type spin on this one by stating they will maintain "classic" installers, but then they expect the same "dumb customers" to be able to download the correct offline installer for their games, between those two choices. Because choices always makes it easier for "dumb customers". And it also makes it "easier" for everyone else to always have to be careful which version they download and then when they install the games, always be careful not to have the auto-checked GOG Galaxy install just because "something happened and a few 'classic' installers got the GOG Galaxy stubs added, we apologize".

And then we have the removal of the "fully optional client" statement what was the first thing we saw on the GOG Galaxy page.

So things are obviously changing - it's a fact. And I hate the outright lie that the client is optional. They are willing to create two separate installers for a lot of games, only to add the client. And that, by implicitly call their customers stupid enough not be able to install GOG Galaxy without "optionally" shoving it on their PCs by default.

You see, this is a problem of attitude on their part. They've obviously changed. By their own actions they prove they no longer want GOG Galaxy to remain optional, otherwise they would clearly see the nonsense of having installer stubs in hundreds of game installers instead of having one stub (online) installer and one offline installer so we can place them next to our games for whatever purpose and network condition we might find ourselves when we want to install GOG Galaxy.

@GOG: I still don't like you today. BOO!
Both of you are right, up to a point. I think part of my problem is that you are more likely to be able to get any serious problems you have with a company, be they American or otherwise, solved than I am. At this point I'm willing to give GOG another chance. I always give second chances. I rarely give third chances, and never to companies. I don't expect perfection, so expecting them to get everything right on the first try seems unreasonable.

I kinda get the feeling that if this were up to the regular employees, this never would have happened. Luckily, management is also the group most likely to respond with "Oh shit nooooooooo don't leave please don't go" when something they do turns into an enormous shitstorm. So as long as we can ensure the worst never actually comes to pass by making a ton of noise whenever GOG management pushes something like this, I'm fine buying here, because even if GOG goes insane and breaks a bunch of promises, they can't affect the installers I already have downloaded, and I make sure to back them up.
Posted May 26, 2017
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Jemolk: -snip-
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V4V: Thank you for the elaborate and thoughtful answer.

I think I see better now where you are coming from. The only objection or at least suggestion I want to add is that GOG isn't a U.S. corporation, so you (Americans) shouldn't react to the actions of foreign firms based on your local circumstances and a priori assume the worst...
What do you mean by "local circumstances"?
Posted May 26, 2017
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HypersomniacLive: Go ahead and download your updates.
Thanks!

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ZFR: Obvs, cool story bro. But I have you beat.
LOL. Man, you're really hilarious. I had you pegged wrong the whole time; you're not a fucking douchebag after all. :)
Posted May 26, 2017
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richlind33: What do you mean by "local circumstances"?
Those that Jemolk described.
Posted May 26, 2017
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Jemolk: At this point I'm willing to give GOG another chance. I always give second chances. I rarely give third chances, and never to companies. I don't expect perfection, so expecting them to get everything right on the first try seems unreasonable.
I think at this point many of us felt that GOG was already operating on their third or fourth chance when they came out with this ill-conceived plan.
Posted May 26, 2017
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kneekoo: (1) "with GOG Galaxy, being online will always be optional."
https://s26.postimg.org/bqetqgxih/gog-galaxy-always-optional.png
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Now promise no.1 is obviously about the games and the features that don't require online connectivity. But it also implies that you can use GOG Galaxy even without being online.
Well, I think you read more into it than was said. I for example wouldn't say the above statement speaks about installation, but about usage. If you include installation, then why stop there? You have to get the installer first, so you could see the promise broken because you have to go online to download the installer. Sure, you can do all that, but I don't think it's fair and I neither think that was meant by the statement above.

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kneekoo: (2) "We call it the OPTIONAL CLIENT."
https://s26.postimg.org/75snbjdt5/optional-client.png
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Promise no.2 is currently broken or planned to be broken. Having installers with GOG Galaxy stuffed in, even the stub installer, and also pre-set to be installed, makes this NOT OPTIONAL, but an OPT-OUT. They took a politician-type spin on this one by stating they will maintain "classic" installers
Again, I think you misinterpret the actual statement. If we look at the definition of and [url=https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/option]option, I can't follow you that the option to opt-out isn't one. It's the opposite of compulsory, not of opting-out. Even the word opt-out shows it optionality.
So things are obviously changing - it's a fact. And I hate the outright lie that the client is optional.
Yes, some things change, others don't. But the lie you see isn't one – does that make your statement a lie?
You see, this is a problem of attitude on their part.
So far, the only problematic attitudes I see are yours and those of many other posters who accuse the people behind GOG of things they didn't do as far as I can see.
@GOG: I still don't like you today. BOO!
*hands a cookie* :)
Posted May 26, 2017
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Jemolk: I always give second chances. I rarely give third chances, and never to companies. I don't expect perfection, so expecting them to get everything right on the first try seems unreasonable.
That's my kind of attitude and it would make a great signature. ;)

I kinda get the feeling that if this were up to the regular employees, this never would have happened.
As we don't know much (if anything) about GOG's employee structure, I count this as the aforementioned things we shouldn't speculate too much about (if at all).

So as long as we can ensure the worst never actually comes to pass by making a ton of noise whenever GOG management pushes something like this, I'm fine buying here, because even if GOG goes insane and breaks a bunch of promises, they can't affect the installers I already have downloaded, and I make sure to back them up.
I beg to differ a bit about this. Not the amount of noise should count, but its quality in tone and substance. Alas, I see much bad attitude and hostility in contrast to a lack of polite, constructive criticism. Again, that could be a matter of different perceptions and perspectives among our cultures.
Post edited May 26, 2017 by V4V
Posted May 26, 2017
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GR00T: I think at this point many of us felt that GOG was already operating on their third or fourth chance when they came out with this ill-conceived plan.
^ This, sadly.; +1.
Posted May 26, 2017
GOG:

How will the game updates work for those *not* using Galaxy. Will we get the updates the same time as Galaxy users?
Posted May 26, 2017
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Stryder2931: GOG:

How will the game updates work for those *not* using Galaxy. Will we get the updates the same time as Galaxy users?
I'm going to say 'no' on that one, since we don't even get them at the same time as Galaxy now...
Posted May 26, 2017
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Stryder2931: GOG:

How will the game updates work for those *not* using Galaxy. Will we get the updates the same time as Galaxy users?
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GR00T: I'm going to say 'no' on that one, since we don't even get them at the same time as Galaxy now...
Oh. I did not realize that. I need to get our more. :)
Posted May 26, 2017

So as long as we can ensure the worst never actually comes to pass by making a ton of noise whenever GOG management pushes something like this, I'm fine buying here, because even if GOG goes insane and breaks a bunch of promises, they can't affect the installers I already have downloaded, and I make sure to back them up.
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V4V: I beg to differ a bit about this. Not the amount of noise should count, but its quality in tone and substance. Alas, I see much bad attitude and hostility in contrast to a lack of polite, constructive criticism. Again, that could be a matter of different perceptions and perspectives among our cultures.
Sadly in todays society the amount of noise is what counts, not the quality, lets say we had elected 1 person to voice our concerns with this thing it would have been received and dismissed on the same second, however when the forums burn with discontent then things happen.
Posted May 26, 2017
I'm curious: is anyone here not buying GOG games anymore (like budejovice said above) because of this or another recent issue?

EDIT: I'll just throw in that I'm not judging one way or the other, I am genuinely interested.
Post edited May 27, 2017 by tfishell
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