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Posted July 06, 2017
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Thanks for bearing with us in this thread. We’d like to announce that today we’ve introduced the addition of new installers, with implemented GOG Galaxy client.

Like Destro described it back in May, we decided to separate the „new" and „classic” installers, for your choice. So if you don’t care about the features like achievements or cloud-saves and don’t want to use GOG Galaxy, you can download the „Classic Game Installer", just like it was handled before. For games that have new installers, the default download view on „My account” will show the "GOG Galaxy Game Installers" - you will notice that, as it is visibly described in „My account” game view. To download the „classic” ones, just go to „Options" and choose „Classic Installers”.

The new GOG Galaxy Game Installers were added to +100 games - a selection of all games that make use of GOG Galaxy features. I'll post the current list of games with the new installers in a separate post.
Going forward, all new games that will use GOG Galaxy features, will now receive both GOG Galaxy Game Installer and Classic Game Installer.

Introduction of GOG Galaxy Game Installers doesn’t change anything in terms of keeping the Classic Game Installers up to date. As soon as we receive an update for any game, we will prepare an updated version of the classic installer, just like it was done in the past.

Edit: Pinned.
Post edited July 06, 2017 by fables22
Posted May 17, 2017
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I just learned about this today. I just wanted to be on the record and say I don't like it. I currently have 672 games in my library. I don't need the 'optional' Galaxy installer sitting on my hard drive and backups 672 times.

If you really want to push your optional game client, put a link for it on each games download page.

I don't hate the idea of the Galaxy client, and I actually plan to check it, but I want my installers to be like they have been. If and when I am ready, I know where to find the client download.

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remixfrance: next step : DRM
"connection required to play a game". lol
It won't be DRM, it will be required to ensure we have the most convenient experience from the get-go. :P
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fables22: we don’t want them to end up with installations that don’t auto-update or backup saves to the cloud. In fact, we want to offer everyone the most convenient experience from the get-go.
Speaking of most convenient experience, when are forum reply and game update notifications coming back to the home page?

EDIT - Four minutes after my post, post 929 was pinned to the top of this thread, which I hadn't read until now. I understand the original decision to include the client, but I am happy to hear GOG will provide the classic installers, and I appreciate that they will take the time to do the work. Hopefully the process can be minimized on GOG's side.
Post edited May 17, 2017 by jalister
Posted May 18, 2017
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There is a nice example of why it's better to keep Galaxy optional.

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_galaxy_communication_service_error

Having a client just adds potential for failures.

For me the benefits of Galaxy aren't that great (if existing at all) because my workflow is very simple and as one can see there is the occasional bug in Galaxy on top of it. The overall benefit for me is rather negative. Would I be forced to use it and would it fail, I would be so angry at it.

That's why this attempt here to increase the usage of Galaxy by all means possible really made me angry too.

I can only recommend using the "classic" installers once they are there, but I'm quite sure, they won't make it too easy finding them, which still makes me angry (somewhat less than before but still).

So my personal red line is: Galaxy must stay optional and not using it must be a quite hassle free experience. If there are too many obstacles, I won't buy from GOG anymore, which is anyway all I can do.
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Jemolk: ..You are correct that Galaxy is not DRM. ...
We should differentiate more. For multiplayer games it is, for single player games it isn't (yet, but could easily be).
Post edited May 18, 2017 by Trilarion
Posted May 18, 2017
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Jemolk: ..You are correct that Galaxy is not DRM. ...
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Trilarion: We should differentiate more. For multiplayer games it is, for single player games it isn't (yet, but could easily be).
Unless the game also supports LAN and/or direct IP connection options also.
Posted May 18, 2017
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Destro: Games have changed a lot in the past years and new titles made achievements, cloud saves and other online features become a standard rather than an extra. Sure, some do not care about these functionalities and we understand it. Having said that, we believe that if we offer games with these features advertised to the general public, then the default installation flow is expected to result in a game with these features working out of the box. This is our reasoning for including the option to install GOG Galaxy during the game installation, and we do stand by it.
So, by this logic, why was the Galaxy I stalker added to the games it was, when at the time many of them didn't support Galaxy features? The choices in games doesn't feel like it makes a lot of sense.
Post edited May 18, 2017 by paladin181
Posted May 18, 2017
Do I have a forum bug or is there a gap of 342 posts between 929 and 1271?
Posted May 18, 2017
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MaGo72: Do I have a forum bug or is there a gap of 342 posts between 929 and 1271?
Neither. Post 929 has been pinned and appears on top of every page now. Confused me as well.
Posted May 18, 2017
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MaGo72: Do I have a forum bug or is there a gap of 342 posts between 929 and 1271?
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Yezemin: Neither. Post 929 has been pinned and appears on top of every page now. Confused me as well.
Ahh, thank you very much for clearing that up.
Posted May 18, 2017
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Trilarion: We should differentiate more. For multiplayer games it is, for single player games it isn't (yet, but could easily be).
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jalister: Unless the game also supports LAN and/or direct IP connection options also.
This exactly. I will say also that if a game has a significant multiplayer component, for me to consider it truly DRM-free and complete, it must have a way to play multiplayer without a client-specific API. On the other hand, the devs too lazy to implement direct IP connections and/or LAN play would have simply not implemented multiplayer for GOG at all otherwise, so those of us who dislike the method they use get the same product either way, while those who are okay with Galaxy-specific multiplayer may now buy the games on GOG, increasing the influence of the DRM-free community by increaing its market share and reducing the availability of excuses for ignoring it. So I do not fault GOG at all in that debate.

Again, my fear is primarily born of being in a country whose politics is heavily based in who among the rich is willing to be most unethical. If GOG does not go down that road, my fear can and will be alleviated in time. However, I feel I must continue to stand by my original comment in all its harshness and inability to compromise, purely because I have no choice. If GOG backs down from the behavior that caused the fear to begin with, I have little problem with it. But remember, for me, DRM is but a symptom. For me, and many others in the U.S., the big problem is corruption and the role of corporate interests in it.
Posted May 18, 2017
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MaGo72: Do I have a forum bug or is there a gap of 342 posts between 929 and 1271?
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Yezemin: Neither. Post 929 has been pinned and appears on top of every page now. Confused me as well.
Guess he thinks the matter is resolved. But I don't.
Posted May 19, 2017
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The thing is this: With GOG Galaxy it will be very easy to change GOG to a DRM-website like Steam. Now you say it's optional, but 5 or 10 years in the future? You are going step by step to DRM and that's sad, because DRM takes consumer rights away and degrades videogames to just temporary products instead of timeless work like movies. I hope I'm wrong and you stay DRM-free, but I don't believe it long-term.
Posted May 19, 2017
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Cifer84: The thing is this: With GOG Galaxy it will be very easy to change GOG to a DRM-website like Steam. Now you say it's optional, but 5 or 10 years in the future? You are going step by step to DRM and that's sad, because DRM takes consumer rights away and degrades videogames to just temporary products instead of timeless work like movies. I hope I'm wrong and you stay DRM-free, but I don't believe it long-term.
This is correct as well. I think there are ways they could prevent these fears, such as making a contract of sorts that would render the availability of games here without DRM legally binding. I'm not convinced that they would, or that they think it's worth it, especially since as long as they are DRM-free, we can buy and download installers without having to worry about what would happen if they were to introduce DRM. The big thing is that we have to be alert. If they screw up and go down that path, we still have the installers we downloaded already, and someone else will arise to take the market share they gave up. Rather different from what happens if Steam dies.
Posted May 20, 2017
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Cifer84: The thing is this: With GOG Galaxy it will be very easy to change GOG to a DRM-website like Steam. Now you say it's optional, but 5 or 10 years in the future? You are going step by step to DRM and that's sad, because DRM takes consumer rights away and degrades videogames to just temporary products instead of timeless work like movies. I hope I'm wrong and you stay DRM-free, but I don't believe it long-term.
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Jemolk: This is correct as well. I think there are ways they could prevent these fears, such as making a contract of sorts that would render the availability of games here without DRM legally binding. I'm not convinced that they would, or that they think it's worth it, especially since as long as they are DRM-free, we can buy and download installers without having to worry about what would happen if they were to introduce DRM. The big thing is that we have to be alert. If they screw up and go down that path, we still have the installers we downloaded already, and someone else will arise to take the market share they gave up. Rather different from what happens if Steam dies.
The idea of Steam dying and suddenly all games are lost from people's libraries gives me a hard on.
Which is double weird as myself have bought several games from them.
I do think gaming needs such a disaster to wake people up.
Posted May 20, 2017
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Executer: from now on i will necro this thread every time a milestone on the road to steam has been achieved.
:)
i consider discounts for (only) new users a step into the wrong direction.
Sorry if GOG did that since some time, i just noticed.
Posted May 20, 2017
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Executer: from now on i will necro this thread every time a milestone on the road to steam has been achieved.
:)
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Executer: i consider discounts for (only) new users a step into the wrong direction.
Sorry if GOG did that since some time, i just noticed.
Wrong,best way to get in new customers is discounts and freebie's.We all get the freebies when we started here and continue to get discounts in the sales.
Posted May 20, 2017
GOG wants new customers??? o.O
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