Heh.

Running around, posting too much, and banging into shit and trying too hard to drive is kinda my town M.O. ;)

But can you be specific. Which distractions am I making that are more problematic than whatever, say, Ix and Yogs are doing, and Wyrm's fights, and etc.? More specifically, distraction suggests there's a particular person or wagon I'm covering for and trying to stop from building.

Would you prefer I just be lurking?

IYO, who exactly am I distracting on behalf of?

Do have an answer to your implied question, btw, but before I do I'd be obliged if you'd answer mine.

спасибо

Have you ever played with bler before? He is one the most active players in a game, and how he's playing now is how he always plays town or scum. I would be very surprised if he's scum though, I'm not seeeing it.

Biting my tongue. Really want to answer, but slightly more want to see Brasas respond first.

I propose we start with lynching Stanari. If she flips scum, we take another good look at Ix. Sure, it is possible that Scum-Stanari was buddying up with her protection of Ix, to drag Ix down with her should she fall - but in that situation that would have been neither necessary not helpful to scum. Ix was the most suspicious player at the time and Stanari wasn't in danger. So if Stanari flips scum, I see a good chance that Ix is too. If Stanari flips town, that doesn't tell us much about Ix, unfortunately.

But we will probably have some things going for us on Day 2. We might have a group of mutually confirmed Masons or we might have at least one investigation result or both. Depending on the veracity of the claims and on the results of Nightactions. If Ix's claim is true it would be stupid not to share any investigation result tomorrow. The cat is out of the bag, so we have to make use of any information we can get. ... Which also means: if Ix is scum, we will get a bogus investigation result.

If the majority is adamantly against lynching Stanari for some reason, we might also start with Yog. He still feels off. But his lynch wouldn't give us as much information as Stanari's and I also think that Stanari is scummier. Yog is just different, not outright scummy. And though I don't trust Ix fully, I would not want to switch my vote back to him, since it would be stupid to risk a possible investigative power role. Others I don't see me voting for today (but that might change tomorrow) are Bookwyrm, trent and bler. Yes, bler is Sir Spamalot, but so far it seems to me to be towny spam and actually invested towny hyper-activity and not a scum smoke-screen.

Moreover I think Nacho should return to the game. Nacho! You have been gone too long! Please come back!

Yeah, not if you're going to propose killing me. Plus you're seemingly not who I thought you were.

Maybe I will go back to yogs.


Eh, maybe. For one, he could get bupkis of use and then tip his hand on how non-important his role is. And then risk being a policy lynch because he's not going to get NKed ever and could be snowing us.

Or he could end up targeting the NK (e.g. flub in the last game, right?). Or he could be RBed. Though if there is a town watcher, WIFOM aside, that might be a deterrent to a block.

This is one of the logic things pinging me about you. I see Ix/Stan as possible, but I still think if Ix is scum you look more like his buddy than she does. And you suggest it's not just possible but a two-directional correlation worth banking on?

Stan isn't on my absolutely not list but she's probably next closest.

You vote Ix on a policy basis because "no lynch is OMG so anti-town!", but then unvote him while he's still voting no lynch to chase a theory with some sizable holes in it?

It's weird, man. And here it looks like you might be setting up an "Ix must share or else" which, functionally you have to know is not in the bag.

Someone else might talk me into Stan, but it's definitely not you, and it's definitely not this argument.

EBWOP*

I see Ix/Stan as possible...but not likely, and especially not close enough to base any voting "if this then that" strategy on. I have no issue if someone wants to make individual cases for either, but together...no. I would gamble on that if we were allowed to gamble.


Old habits reappear - fighting the fear of fear.

Lift's push on me does not give me of the goodvibes mmm.

I do feel kinda bad that I invited Lift to talk and then snapped at him for what he said. Bad mediator, bad!

FWIW, I actually did like several of his meta observations, and still share some paranoia on Ix, but think it's counter-productive at this point to set a bar for what he should provide D2.

And really not a fan of the Ix+Stan theory. Which I know I was pretty subtle about, but it's true. Pinky swear.

Still, sorry I snapped at you. Definitely putting reading one of those town games on the map for tonight. Appreciate that.

This is where I'm at too. I was actually glad with how that panned out (sorry Fox!). Fox has been retconned and that's where I'm at with that.

Didn't strike me as scummy - Warehall asked about this - I almost thought of it like when I jumped in to make a comment about docbear (babark now) - I thought there wasn't as much there that others were going on. The oddest part of that exchange was the change in Stan's tone as my lynch moved along - seemed to distance from me / contemplate that I *could* be scum after initially defending me. I thought it was strange and part of the reason I outted - sort of felt like a "sea change."

And Really Wow on reread I totally missed it. I thought I was sure but no, I'm not sure at all to be honest.

Oh how cute what do they have a vertical code language?

I have the...unfortunate...habit of listening to other people too much.

LOL - it was my "If I’ve lost Cronkite..." moment.

Bring on the brothers who've gone on before
And all of the sisters who've knocked on your door
All the departed, dear, loved ones of mine
Stick 'em up front in the offensive line, oooohhhhh

Dropkick me Jesus through the goalposts of life....

Even if you don't want to name names, how do you suggest we proceed collectively towards providing the sacrifice you seek? What's the method?

You want too keep a low NK profile, I get it. Though I also get WIFOM. But you want things to move along so this game ends before 2096. So...at some point that's gotta shake into your willingness to at least have a plan, right, and not just wait for someone else to forge a wagon you can ooze onto?


I'm getting telepathic messages from the mod...or maybe just PMs...implying we'll be getting flips. Probably.

Anyway, how do you propose we proceed?

Use your imagination and pretend the day is a bit stagnant with mostly the same people yelling at each other, how do you propose we proceed?

Yell at each other some more is an option, certainly.

What do you think we should...oh, I see, you think we should vote Stanari.

On re-read though I think I get your progression here where I didn't on first pass.

Re-read some of Lift's town games. Looked at a few different things. Wrote more and deleted it for being too wordy for no one's benefit but me thinking "aloud".

Conclusion? With pretty reasonable consistency since the Dungeon game I find him scummy regardless of his alignment. He often makes votes I just don't agree with, and presses them in a way that feels weird to me. Which...is pretty much what's happening here.

Not to say I won't vote him today in any circumstance, but...I probably shouldn't.

Well, fwiw it's been very quiet this evening, and I'm off-line pretty much all day tomorrow. Have an interview next week to prep for now (good news!). So even Saturday when I'm around all day I should probably put energy elsewhere.

Still, we're 9 days into this thing and still Day 1 in a game that was <probably?> going to have more days than usual.

Of course, yogs does look like SK to me - I'm sorry, "town compulsive axe wielder" - that was quite insensitive of me. He's taking good care to be very gentle with everyone during the day so that their surgery is as comfortable as possible. Which is very thoughtful. Such a nice young man.

Anyway, I guess he can speed things up a bit.

I can see a quiet weekend as a nice break, but worried about inertia a bit too.

Heh


This will be a difficult post to make. I have not done a Bler reread and am going on more general observations of his play. Also I dislike this kind of quote post quote ... but even since my vote he provides examples of what I see as scummy distractions.

I want to say very clearly, the flavor play has nothing to do with my decision to push Bler.

Out of game - good luck and godspeed.

In the game - and here you are, actually seeing what I find scummy.

Yup. Always seeing too much? Why not just ask, and wait for answer? Muddying the waters with a push and an immediate wink / nod.

[Reagan voice] There you go again...

We'll give you a fair trial Marie. Sacrifices are required. Tragic really... [if you're town that is.]
I assure you it will be extremely painful for me to lynch you my dear.

And in the meanwhile, why not try some new experiences?

So you see the mess he's causing but don't like the wagon? How sure are you he is town heh Lift?

I think you're not biting hard enough.
Though I like it when you nibble... you know...

No I have not played him. I am now. How sure are you he is town heh Trent?

This is a goldmine. Let's just number them:
1 Heh
2 Also conveniently your scum M.O.
3 Wrong
4 Some
5 Scum | Wolves | Nasty McPants team
6 What F...ing question? Even under attack you are distracting from the fact you're under attack!
7 I don't do Russian

TL:DR too many false positives, too much driving going nowhere.