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Posted September 12, 2016
I see everyone woke up after I went to bed. I'll catch up and shoot some quick replies. No time for more this early though... so let's see what is there.
Posted September 12, 2016
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Stanari: 2b) I don't think it's coolheadedness - well, maybe it is - so much as just daring. Is Ix daring scum?
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bler144: ...
2) Not sure what gambit you have in mind. If I recall in the Epsilon game Ix was one of the townies widely scum-read but still town? @All (including Ix) is there a recent game other than the all-mafiagame where he was actually non-town?
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Ixam was scum in my first game – flubb’s role madness game, the milk one (#25). Ixam made a gutsy move that got him lynched. Scum didn’t know one another but could be recruited onto teams. On D2, Ixam asked all scum to ban together to lynch a townie. He was lynched that day.
So yes, I believe Ixam can be daring as scum. Is he in this game? Still mulling over that one.

Refresh - @bler - I'll need a good reread for that. My memorable impressions of that game are from scum chat, not the game itself (except for your claim which I though was bogus). Will take a look at that tomorrow evening.
Posted September 12, 2016
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Nachomamma8: Have been gone for longer than expected, will work to catch up later tonight.

As an aside, I think it would be smart if we all started signing our posts with our RP names to help people remember them better.

-Fergus ("Perky Fergie") Perkins
Have RP names actually mattered yet in terms of mechanics?
Posted September 12, 2016
Sushi your next post better have some content............
Posted September 12, 2016
I did a quick skim of agent in the Shodan game (agent's last game as town). His starting play was fairly similar to his start in the last game (scum) and this game. At least more so than I remember.

That coupled with his request for a replacement, I will:

Unvote adam

I'm far from convinced that he is town, but a D1 vote seems out for now.

Everything else will have to wait until tomorrow.
Posted September 12, 2016
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Nachomamma8: snip
Nice. It will get old fast though...

- Dan the horses guy

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QuadrAlien: snip
Called it or what?

- Brasas, the meta guy

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bler144: snip
me sad :( but paying attention

- Brasas, the metal guy

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trentonlf: snip... A no lynch on day 1 is a free pass for mafia, no thank you.
I am concerned that no lynchs will be easy to lapse into. The trial aspect of discussion for future phases is bound to feed on player doubts. I guess I mean that I'm not so much worried about No Lynch votes now, I'll be paying attention to those dropping a wagon during the trial itself.

I'm thinking this as I type, and so still percolating potential consequences... I think the best approach is to be very commited to the vote before going into the trial itself. And just have to suffer through D1 until we get there - we are no where near having half players on a wagon. That said, I'm not sure that would be the phase trigger, though it kinda fits.

I do think for a D1 it's shaping out better than usual? The pseudo gotchas at least have some real bite to them and most folks are participating?

Unvote Bill

- Dan, the horses guy

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Ixamyakxim: snip
Decisive. Cool. :P

Of course maybe scum are pushing your wagon...

- Dan, the silver guy

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bler144: snip

What you're describing is great for a "me-town" game ("Don't want to tip my super awesome read!") but it ignores that the rest of town may not see (or buy) what you're seeing anyway, and the bigger issue is that what you describe ignores the dynamic of what the expectation of posting reads list does to a scum player. scum-you benefits more from low expectations and concealing info than town-you does.
Bingo. Appreciate the eloguence. I'm more of a lead by example type...

- Brasas, the meta guy

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Nachomamma8: Why not? As of this post, you weren't exactly sure where you wanted to vote at the moment but you were bothered by Lift's approach to you same as I was; why not take a leap and put out a vote?
Well... it's not like I'm going to defend Lift. I did back off a bit becasue I think he was just feeling the flavor dissonance I also experienced. Just the contrast to the previous game I played with him was there. My only real town lean is still Bler. I tend to be very very conservative with town reads, because I'm very WIFOM aware. Well, I'm a paranoid wuss more honestly...

So the reason why not Lift is basically that I am probably going to land on a wagon that at least gives us a good flip in relation to interactions leading to it. Both Wyrm and Yog were / are better than Quadr for that. But I'll see what happens, other candidates are possible on reflection.

- Dan, the horses guy

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yogsloth: bler Town as hell, btw.
Someone needs to pay attention to Bler though. So I guess thanks Oba... erm... Agent!

- Brasas, the meta guy (yeah, this is getting old... already ran out of puns)

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Nachomamma8: What ridiculous vote are you referring to re: Quadralien? I remember a recent one on docbear, but I'm not sure what there is before that.

Did you ever find what post you disliked that I made at you?
Yes, he voted doc just for her entrance.

I will confess I have not done the rereads I want to. Things had slowed down, the wagons are stuck in mud. So I was doing stuff around the house. Scarcth that... I was taking care of the horses. But if you want someone to pressure you, will be happy to oblige later. As far I recall you did not answer me then, and I was pretty pissed that you seemed to be putting words in my mouth. Is that your style?

Or in other words, I don't like this post you did to me as well. It's fishy.

- Dan, the horses guy
(romantic, moody, fit - looking for luv)

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TammyTown: I don't feel as confident in Brasas town as Bler town.
I do it on purpose. I know it gets messy and apologize in advance.

- Brasas, the meta guy
(listening to some Bee Gees)

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bler144: FWIW, I had agent leaning slightly town just on the derping, but he's proved he can be a hazard to town when this low-activity (Wyrm knows well) so I still kinda had him in my lynch pool. Sub changes the picture.
Not alignment indicative!

He can be a hazard to scum as well... I really should have voted him instead of Flub... :(

- Dan, the man with no woman
(hung like a horse)


Bookmarking, stopped at 511. Sure hope nothing coming later makes me look like an idiot >:(
I like to pretend I'm smart...

I got to run. I got to run... sorry. But I like the interactions intensifying.
Posted September 12, 2016
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Nachomamma8: First of all, why was Brasas voting No Lynch (a move you said you'd typically find scummy) "okay"? Your initial response was that you thought it was because no lynching made sense for flavor reasons, but that doesn't really fit to me since Brasas wasn't really RPing from what I could tell.
OK. Let's get this straight (and this reply goes to bler as well): Brasas 'voting no lynch' was 'okay', because he didn't! He was talking about no-lynch, not actually placing a vote on it. Talking about it was okay in my book because the setting (flavour-wise) invites the question: 'why the hell should we lynch at all'?
So I see where your suspicion comes from if you really think that Brasas voted no-lynch and I excused it. IF you really think that and didn't mis-represent it on purpose. But if it is an honest mistake, please check back and see for yourself that Brasas never actually voted no-lynch.

But actually voting no-lynch, knowing this is Day 1 and a Day 1 no-lynch is bad for town, is scummy. Especially if it is coupled with unapologetic lurking, like in Ixamyakxim's case. 'Hey guys, not going to check back and not going to try to find out who is scummiest. Instead I'll just vote no-lynch.' And yes, I can see a scum Ix doing exactly that. He's known for lurking a bit, not as extreme as this time, but enough that he might try to hide behind his known lurkiness. Sure, probably some IRL lack of time contributed too, but still it's a convenient excuse for scum. And when coming back I can totally see him just skimming the thread, noticing that there has been talk about no-lynch. So he maybe got the impression that no-lynch, for once, is an acceptable vote and latched on to it. It is a convenient vote for scum, if such a vote is deemed acceptable. It has basically no chance of going through, so one will not be on any train that will be analysed the next day and one doesn't have to get into discussion with any target, where one might accidentally say something suspicious.
Now, Ix's reaction to trent's and my vote on him reads quite towny. It is the kind of reaction a town player should have. But unfortunately it is also exactly the kind of reaction a scum player could post to appear towny and allay the suspicion he has gathered. So on it's own it isn't enough to change my read of Ixamyakxim. Sorry, Ix, but you'll have to contribute a bit more. Perhaps I'll revise my suspicion then.


Something different: sorry to see you go, agent. But this thread IS a lot to read, so I understand the conflict. I hope drealmer finds a replacement for you quickly!
Posted September 12, 2016
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bler144: Please elaborate how you used that hour, exactly.
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Ixamyakxim: Sure thing. I spent the time reading over the thread to get a sense of where I thought the game was and what I thought might be going on. I dropped the bit about being inattentive / not reading to see who would jump on the low hanging fruit.

What I gathered is basic stuff I'm sure everyone's already figured out. The obvious, we have a lot of people in game and a narrative lack of reason to "do" anything just yet. We're early in a game with a lot of people, and there aren't likely to be any solid slip ups or good reads, just a bunch of random "ah ha, gotcha!" moments that really amount to very little.

But the important stuff (at least to me) is that the game seems like it's going to have a heavy focus on discovery and narrative. Given that we have so many people in game, and that "wagons" at this point are basically useless (if we can even get a "wagon" in a 17 person game) I think we have time to waste.

Also given that there are so many people, and that the game has an unusual set up, I'm guessing there are going to be a ton of weird roles, a bevy of scum AND in injection of new players (I find them all scummy, but I'm guessing that's more a factor of a community playstyle developed elsewhere, with different norms).

SO, my final conclusion - is that it was worth (and fit in the narrative) "wasting" a Day One wagon that would most likely be useless, to explore the narrative and mechanical implications of a No Lynch.

There are 17 players, this is a long haul game and it has a focus on narrative, exploration and discovery. Can't think of a better time to push the limits of that.
This seems like a total waste for not much reason and I don't like it. Play based on narrative over what's good for the game seems like an excuse for an action that really has no benefit to town. Especially after book claiming. All we know is he's liable to die and if he doesn't we'd still have to wonder if they're wifoming us going for someone more useful. All in all, it's just a plain bad decision.

Also I find it odd he calls all the new players scummy. Given his own posting habits I'm wondering what he finds scummy about me.

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Lifthrasil: But why? And why so early? The power of Masons is to talk amongst each other in secret, without scum knowing - and the knowledge that the others are confirmed town to them. It might also be valid play to talk in the first night and then come out all together to mutually certify each other. But one lone Mason coming out on Day 1 just gives scum a target for Night 1. So please explain to me, how claiming Mason on Day 1 is a good idea for town? You are throwing away all the usefulness your role has and you are painting a damn big target sign on your own back. Why?
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Nachomamma8: Most of this seems to be focused on Bookwyrm making a bad claim; I think it's better to leave talk of this behind us since talking about it more is likely to give scum a better idea of whether he is a mason or not and who his partners could be if he is unless you think that he's faking it which doesn't seem to be the case based on this.
Eh. Suppose he is a mason. There's an issue if he dies and he can never confirm his buddy, that allow scum to claim it and his buddy has to CC. Probably not an immediate issue if his mate claims by midgame, but it'd be a disaster at a time when lynches matter.



Also I really like bler's posts. Like his thoughts on yog in 418, they feel honest.

Nacho I'm not worried about today, but don't think he's had enough of an impact I would say not scum. He's pretty good as scum.

Tammy I lean positive on today and imagine she'll be helpful in regards to Nacho. They tend to read each other pretty well.

Yog... well I've been doing this over a fair bit of time as I read through the thread, but not sure if he's really doing much. Entertaining tho

For Brasas, was he seriously suggesting no lynch? Because I think that's clearly inferior to lynching lurker players when you have a chance to be rid of them sooner rather than later. Don't like that if he was due to his thoughts on lurkers in 284, though I'm not sure there if he's saying no lynch was just to get reactions. Reactions are gonna be of the expected variety I'd think. What would you have hoped for from them?

Book - Figure his claim will resolve itself.

Ix- Dislike. At the same time, felt like things built up on him kind of quick before he ever posted. Lack of vote tool to tell who it was and how fast has suddenly become something I realize I miss.

Stanari - Not really sure I care for her posts as the day goes on, not much to them

Did Crimson kind of vanish btw?

Will continue to do more, but thoughts at the moment.
Posted September 12, 2016
Adam lets out a HUUUUUUUUGE fart, interupting some very thoughtful discussion and making a bit of a stink of the place.

Everyone looks at him with an "OMG that is so rude" face, and then you all get back to the situation at hand. You will not be distracted!!!

RWarehall has replaced agentcarr16 - please treat him as the Adam all of you know so well (but give him a little time to get his senses about him)

any more requests for replacements will have to be met with the sharp end of the mod-axe (because we have none)
Post edited September 12, 2016 by drealmer7
Posted September 12, 2016
vote count / votecount / vote-count

Nathaniel (Nathan) Smith [Dessimu] ........... - 0 -
Sean O'Donnell (Sean-O!) [Lifthrasil] ........... - 1 - Fergus (Nachomamma8)
Laura Jennings [docbear1975] ..................... - 1 - William (QuadrAlien)
Emma Hess [Ixamyakxim] ............................... - 3 - Emily (trentonlf), Marie (bler144), Sean (Lifthrasil),
Adam Johnson [RWarehall] ............................ - 0 -
William (Bill) O'Brian [QuadrAlien] ................. - 1 - Laura (docbear1975)
Craig Adams [Bookwyrm627] ......................... - 0 -
Daniel (Dan) Evans [Brasas] .......................... - 0 -
Claire Dwyer [cristigale] ................................... - 0 -
Jason (Jay) Peterson [SirCrimsonFox] ......... - 1 - James (DragonSushi),
Eric Barton [yogsloth] ........................................ - 2 - Justin (Stanari), Jason (SirCrimsonFox)
Fergus (Fergie) Perkins [Nachomamma8] .. - 0 -
Sarah Matthews [TammyTown] ....................... - 0 -
Emily Barton [trentonlf] ...................................... - 0 -
Marie Thomson [bler144] ................................. - 0 -
James (Jim) Peterson [DragonSushi] ........... - 0 -
Justin Dawson [Stanari] ................................... - 1 - Eric (yogsloth)


currently not wanting to kill anyone - 7 - Emma (Ixamyakxim)!, Adam (RWarehall), Sarah (TammyTown), Craig (Bookwyrm627), Nathan (Dessimu), Claire (cristigale), Dan (Brasas)

if your vote is not placed where you'd like it to be, please say so and I'll ammend the VC

note:

simple unvoting of a player / character will not trigger a stage change
Post edited September 12, 2016 by drealmer7
Posted September 12, 2016
He was seen this morning getting a drink from the creek.

It's a beautiful October day. Most of the villagers are pretty well rested, the general feeling is that today will be a day of much accomplishment with clearer and calmer heads prevailing.

More people than usual were at The Community Home in the early morning getting things prepared for the day.

There are three apple pies and an apple crisp in addition to the regular breakfast options.

It also looks like someone has brought some deer jerky and set it in a sack on the counter.
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Posted September 12, 2016
I will be on the road most of today for work, but I'll try to check Ina's often as I can.

Welcome to RW, looking forward to your thoughts on the current situation.
Posted September 12, 2016
Here is the sum total of CrimsonFox's. Beyond this, I'm only seeing flavor.

Post 47: "Vote yog."

Post 170: "I find the phrase 'I'm getting ready to vote X' very gawldarn wolfy." [In response to Yog]

Post 173: "To be clear, I don't mind him votin' lx. I do mind him sayin' he's gonna vote lx instead of just votin lx."

Post 224: "gee SOMEONE is charlieborwn's teachering all over people..."

Post 233: "Who was talking about no lynching? First I've heard of it, son. Are you the first one to say it?"

Post 233: "Holy cow chip! So uh his post about tromboning is what you have to comment about? That’s it? Altho I guess I agree it does sound a bit lolcatty/defensive/taunting. But that’s the post you have to comment on?

And the second part…you’re doing what he did…” one thing holding me back from being willing to vote him”. Announcing that you are wanting to vote him yet don’t vote him.

And the card thing. I really don’t know how wise it is to tell everyone that you’ are doing behind the scenes things. Now that you have you need to come completely clean on what you handed him and how that works."

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I am impressed. Stanari has been on my radar for short posts of low content (and will be reviewed later), but I couldn't remember anything Fox has done. Now I know why.

Vote SirCrimsonFox.

I may well move the vote later, if a better choice turns up while I'm rereading things.

People that will probably take less time to reread:
-Stanari
-Dessimu
-Docbear
-Ixam
-Quad
-Sushi

-Waiting for RW to show up and start getting involved. May take a day or two, since there is a lot to read. Not willing
to vote him until he's started getting into the game.
-Trent feels normal to me, and is thus leaning town.
-Bler is working his butt off. Hopefully he doesn't burn out. Townier than thou.
-I need to reread Cristigale, and form an opinion of my own. Didn't really have one earlier; my vote for her came from looking at who I wouldn't vote, then removing from the remainder those without a vote on them, and finally deciding I liked Bler's case for scum!cristi. I was hoping to see some interest in my unexplained vote, but it looks like nobody cared.
-I'm not interested in voting Lift Today. I've got him in a rough neutral, but I know he'll engage, which should help town regardless of his alignment.
-Brasas is going back and forth on ideas, just like he's done in the last two-three games I've seen him play. Nothing unusual, and it more or less matches his previous town games. No scum game to compare, so this ends up being neutral.
-As per a previous post of mine, I'm not sure which team Nacho is casting a net for. He is casting though, so I'm not inclined to kill him.
-Tammy seems to be following Nacho's lead. Maybe I'm being overly sensitive, but this is what I'm seeing.
Posted September 12, 2016
Where did Fox go?
Posted September 12, 2016
Stanari: Every time I see someone vote Ix somehow I townread them more?
(emphasis added)

Stanari, do you mean you read lx as town or do you read as those voting for lx as town? I'm a little confused.

@bler144: Yes, I would like to hear more about yogs. I have no idea what to make of him. I've moved him to my neutral category for now.

For me, Brasas, cristi, trent, wrym, and bler lean toward town. I think wrym's claim will resolve itself in time.

I'm highly suspicious of lx, agent (although that seems to be a moot point, now), Quad, and SirCrimson.

Dessimu, Lift, Nacho, Tammy, Dragon, and Stan are in my neutral category for now.
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