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nightcraw1er.488: I still can't understand how such turds as GTA4, DarkSouls get such high ratings.
Because Dark Souls is awesome. You get dropped in the game's world without an inkling of what is going on, relying on a few pieces of promotional art and a few words to understand what's happening. You can explore quite a bit of the world straight away, even though most of the places+ will get you killed. The enemies will kill you with one or two hits, but once you learn their patterns, they can be defeated quite easily. You will always need to be focused though, or you will find yourself dying a lot.

All said and done, it's the perfect coin-op experience ;)
Dark Souls....I got it really cheap (5 euro) from a brick and mortar shop (key activated fine on Steam). Thing is...i quickly discovered that i severely lack the required reflexes, that i can't really play it with a keyboard and mouse (mostly because i get distracted by the symbols on the screen, symbols that indicate the button that needs to be pressed on a controller and not, as expected, on a keyboard)

As for game reviewing, i agree that the nostalgia should be put aside.
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wolfsrain:
Did you try it with the kb+m fix mod?! - worked a treat for me (I actually prefer playing with kb+m on it).
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nightcraw1er.488: I still can't understand how such turds as GTA4, DarkSouls get such high ratings.
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JMich: Because Dark Souls is awesome. You get dropped in the game's world without an inkling of what is going on, relying on a few pieces of promotional art and a few words to understand what's happening. You can explore quite a bit of the world straight away, even though most of the places+ will get you killed. The enemies will kill you with one or two hits, but once you learn their patterns, they can be defeated quite easily. You will always need to be focused though, or you will find yourself dying a lot.

All said and done, it's the perfect coin-op experience ;)
Maybe on console it is. The pc port is dreadful. I hated everything about it both times I tried. Hence why reviews and scores and such like are useless. It may even get better later on, my two attempts have soured me beyond anything I have currently experienced, other than gta 4.
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nightcraw1er.488: The pc port is dreadful.
From what I recall, it is fine if you play with a controller, but if you want to use KB+M you need a fix. That should be noted on the "Controls" part of the review, but it doesn't mean the game is a turd anymore than saying duck hunt sucks on any platform that doesn't include a gun to shoot at the ducks.

But yeah, Dark Souls (and Demon Souls, and Bloodborne) isn't for everyone.
My view: aside from letting you know potential technical/compatibility issues with the GOG version, reviews (often) suck; watch YouTube footage instead.
Post edited January 13, 2016 by tfishell
I've been reading these types of posts since gog had reviews for games, and they are awesome! Best topic ever!!!
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jamyskis: This is precisely why I don't place much stock in user reviews. I know a lot of people praise them to high heaven, essentially as a way of saying "fuck The Man", but honestly, user reviews are no less susceptible to bias and corruption than professionally written reviews. In fact, they're even less reliable. As you say, with old games, nostalgia plays a big role. With new products, scores are driven down by angry, bitter individuals who feel the need to shout their discontent out to the world. Averagely satisfied people seldom feel the urge to tell the world about their mild satisfaction, unless they want to raise their own profile for whatever reason. I would guess that 80% of user reviews on sites like Steam, GOG and Amazon are either fanboy reviews, astroturf reviews or rage-hate reviews.

And yes, you never know how many of the positive reviews are from astroturfers.

As for nostalgia, well, nostalgia is why a lot of people bash on sequels, prequels and remakes, because of a vague sense of rage that the film didn't make them as giddy as it did when they were children. Nostalgia is why people get increasingly bitter towards old age about politics as things change. Nostalgia is what causes people to look down upon others for preferring something new.

Of course, new is not automatically better, change is not automatically good. Every change and novelty needs to be assessed on its own terms. New doesn't necessarily make the old obsolete - we still use landline telephones despite mobile phones being a ubiquitous part of modern life for the better part of 20 years - but some people seem to find offence in the idea that some people may prefer the new and go on the defensive by attacking those people.
Yes sir, you nailed it. Out of all the edgy fedora tipping posts I see on this issue, you stood out and gave us complete logic. Thank you for not being a turd.
Is there any point in the written review system?
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jamyskis: This is precisely why I don't place much stock in user reviews. I know a lot of people praise them to high heaven, essentially as a way of saying "fuck The Man", but honestly, user reviews are no less susceptible to bias and corruption than professionally written reviews. In fact, they're even less reliable. As you say, with old games, nostalgia plays a big role. With new products, scores are driven down by angry, bitter individuals who feel the need to shout their discontent out to the world. Averagely satisfied people seldom feel the urge to tell the world about their mild satisfaction, unless they want to raise their own profile for whatever reason. I would guess that 80% of user reviews on sites like Steam, GOG and Amazon are either fanboy reviews, astroturf reviews or rage-hate reviews.

And yes, you never know how many of the positive reviews are from astroturfers.

As for nostalgia, well, nostalgia is why a lot of people bash on sequels, prequels and remakes, because of a vague sense of rage that the film didn't make them as giddy as it did when they were children. Nostalgia is why people get increasingly bitter towards old age about politics as things change. Nostalgia is what causes people to look down upon others for preferring something new.

Of course, new is not automatically better, change is not automatically good. Every change and novelty needs to be assessed on its own terms. New doesn't necessarily make the old obsolete - we still use landline telephones despite mobile phones being a ubiquitous part of modern life for the better part of 20 years - but some people seem to find offence in the idea that some people may prefer the new and go on the defensive by attacking those people.
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MiloRivers: Yes sir, you nailed it. Out of all the edgy fedora tipping posts I see on this issue, you stood out and gave us complete logic. Thank you for not being a turd.
Are you saying the rest of us are turds?
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MiloRivers: Yes sir, you nailed it. Out of all the edgy fedora tipping posts I see on this issue, you stood out and gave us complete logic. Thank you for not being a turd.
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tinyE: Are you saying the rest of us are turds?
I'm not calling you visionaries, so you do the math.
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snowkatt: oh one of those again
will tomorrow give us an where are all the old games thread ?
thats Fridays and Saturdays!
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tinyE: Are you saying the rest of us are turds?
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MiloRivers: I'm not calling you visionaries, so you do the math.
You just joined the forum and this is how you act?

Way to endear yourself. :P
For the record I adored Dark Souls. It had a very Shadow of the Colossus vibe in its exploration and branched it into the unforgiving climb a mountain feel. The only reason I didn't finish a second playthrough is due to increasingly brutal time constraints.

I don't see a problem with nostalgia. It's a good way to remind ourselves when times are tough that life has its ups and downs.
As far as nostalgia in reviews, I think that really depends on whether the updated version works or not, so I wouldn't recommend doing them until the game is purchased and successfully played.
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tinyE: Are you saying the rest of us are turds?
Well, I mean, he wouldn't be ENTIRELY wrong on that.
Post edited January 13, 2016 by zeogold