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Lin545: There is some bug in this list.
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Gersen: The list also doesn't take into account patches, for example for : Caribbean!
Thank you, I have reported these to the list's maintainer and he will likely add exceptions for these cases.
Post edited March 31, 2021 by mrkgnao
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nothingnesses: You need an internet connection to get games currently, with or without Galaxy, so I don't think your point even makes any sense.
I makes perfect sense. I don't need an internet connection to play my games.

Again:
Some people have no, or only a shitty (slow, limited) internet connection at home.

Those people can still download their games in some other place: In a library, at work, university, in a public place to thumbdrive, or even via smartphone and wifi (maybe not the 100 GB of CP2077...) and then transfer the installers to their machine at home.
They can't however install Galaxy on computer in a library, at work or a public place, and they can't install it on their smartphone.

When I had moved I actually downloaded my games at work and carried them home for a few months, until I got a decent internet connection. If Galaxy had been the only option to do that I would have been really pissed at GOG.

The device where I download is not necessarily the device where I play my games. The device where I download might not be compatible with Galaxy, or it isn't even mine. Every internet-enabled device has a browser, that's the lowest common denominator. So downloading through a browser should always work. Galaxy is a (nice) tool for convenience and it must always stay this way. "Will always be optional" is also what GOG promised.
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Lin545: There is some bug in this list.
No, there is just dumb code (no AI whatsoever) :). It can not possibly know of branches in offline files, so it checks the latest published version (which in this case is probably the stable one). Thanks for letting me know, I will add a manual exception in this case.

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Gersen: The list also doesn't take into account patches, for example for : Caribbean!
No, it does not take patches into account, that is very true. Thanks for flagging this particular game. If you're aware of other games where this is an issue, do let me know please.

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Gersen: just bellow you can download the offline installer for 1.057 (gog-9) -> 1.060 (gog-10) patch.
There is no "just below" in the APIs :). While I could implement this in theory, it would open a whole new can of worms and exceptions that have to be treated, so I'd rather not.

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Gudadantza: Probably the accuracy of that list should be improved as well.
I'm not NASA, but I do what I can (it has gotten a lot better lately)... Probably GOG should implement a system of consistent versioning, eh?

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mrkgnao: Thank you, I have reported these to the list's maintainer and he will likely add exceptions for these cases.
Many thanks, as always, mrkgnao ;).

P.S. Kind reminder that I only get time to update the list over weekends, so it may very well lag behind reality in some cases. Think of it as the image of the Sun you see in the sky (it is 8 minutes "late" :).
Post edited March 31, 2021 by WinterSnowfall
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WinterSnowfall: P.S. Kind reminder that I only get time to update the list over weekends, so it may very well lag behind reality in some cases. Think of it as the image of the Sun you see in the sky (it is 8 minutes "late" :).
Except, of course, that the image of the sun tends to be more up to date than the image of the galaxy...
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Beaubergine: Hey everyone !

Let me reassure you, all GOG GALAXY updates are applied automatically by the developers, while offline installers require GOG’s assistance. Offline installers will continue to receive the same support they did in the past years and we appreciate any reports about outdated files that we might have missed.
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InkPanther: From https://docs.gog.com/offline-installers/ :

Offline (backup) installers are automatically generated on our servers after you publish a build to the Master branch. Because these installers are queued up for generation and publishing, there may be a delay of several hours between a build being published on the Master branch and an offline installer appearing in the game library.
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InkPanther: Is that description not accurate then?
It says generated, not uploaded/released. My guess is that someone at GOG has to check if everything went through correctly and confirm/retest the final release, which I think is where the delays/omissions arise.
Post edited March 31, 2021 by idbeholdME
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Lin545: There is some bug in this list.
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WinterSnowfall: No, there is just dumb code (no AI whatsoever) :). It can not possibly know of branches in offline files, so it checks the latest published version (which in this case is probably the stable one). Thanks for letting me know, I will add a manual exception in this case.

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Gersen: The list also doesn't take into account patches, for example for : Caribbean!
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WinterSnowfall: No, it does not take patches into account, that is very true. Thanks for flagging this particular game. If you're aware of other games where this is an issue, do let me know please.

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Gersen: just bellow you can download the offline installer for 1.057 (gog-9) -> 1.060 (gog-10) patch.
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WinterSnowfall: There is no "just below" in the APIs :). While I could implement this in theory, it would open a whole new can of worms and exceptions that have to be treated, so I'd rather not.

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Gudadantza: Probably the accuracy of that list should be improved as well.
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WinterSnowfall: I'm not NASA, but I do what I can (it has gotten a lot better lately)... Probably GOG should implement a system of consistent versioning, eh?

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mrkgnao: Thank you, I have reported these to the list's maintainer and he will likely add exceptions for these cases.
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WinterSnowfall: Many thanks, as always, mrkgnao ;).

P.S. Kind reminder that I only get time to update the list over weekends, so it may very well lag behind reality in some cases. Think of it as the image of the Sun you see in the sky (it is 8 minutes "late" :).
Considering that this list is, right now, the bible for some boycotters as an example of how outdated the offline installers are, I think that discovering that the patches and other possible exceptions are not taken in account is pretty important.

I don't know how many offline installers are outdated in GOG but I can't neither be sure of the number in this list.

I am sure you are doing what you can. But apparently these discrepancies weren't important for some people until now.

I hope you understand what I am trying to explain.

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InkPanther: From https://docs.gog.com/offline-installers/ :

Is that description not accurate then?
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idbeholdME: It says generated, not uploaded/released. My guess is that someone at GOG has to check if everything went through correctly and confirm/retest the final release, which I think is where the delays/omissions arise.
That was going to be my next question depending on answer: if it can be automated for Galaxy but it's not automated for offline installers, then what's the problem with those?
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Gudadantza: Considering that this list is, right now, the bible for some boycotters as an example of how outdated the offline installers are, I think that discovering that the patches and other possible exceptions are not taken in account is pretty important.
*Sigh* Yeah, no worries, I get it. It's just that I keep repeating that is a known limitation, but nobody seems to be aware of it... it should not be something "just being discovered". I'll see if I can add a note regarding it somehow on Airspace.

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Gudadantza: I don't know how many offline installers are outdated in GOG but I can't neither be sure of the number in this list.
I have automated means of excluding a plethora of false positives, so the list should be pretty accurate outside of some corner cases, which I can manually exclude when people bring them to my attention. It is code generated based on the data extracted from GOG APIs - can't get any more accurate than this, unless GOG hires me and gives me direct access to their systems.

P.S.: I'd also like to mention I'm not a boycotter (at least not yet), so I don't really have a horse in the race. I'm just looking at the data and strive for accuracy for accuracy's sake.
Post edited March 31, 2021 by WinterSnowfall
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idbeholdME: It says generated, not uploaded/released. My guess is that someone at GOG has to check if everything went through correctly and confirm/retest the final release, which I think is where the delays/omissions arise.
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InkPanther: That was going to be my next question depending on answer: if it can be automated for Galaxy but it's not automated for offline installers, then what's the problem with those?
No idea. But the fact that a human input is required somewhere in the process when it comes to offline installers is most likely behind the delays and cases of long outdated games. We can but speculate about how their internal processes are set up and I doubt they will share anything.

I am absolutely willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and just assume that there simply are cases where updates have slipped through the cracks, the person who was supposed to do it had a vacation or a notification about a new build didn't go off or one of a thousand other things that could happen which led to this.

But they should definitely regularly check the list that has been linked in this thread and use the help of the community to keep everything up to date. Also (correct me if I'm wrong), I think that some updates only change stuff relevant for the Galaxy install so that could be behind some discrepancies as well. The Galaxy version gets bumped above the offline but in result, they are still both the same, sans the version number.
Post edited March 31, 2021 by idbeholdME
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toxicTom: To be fair, those have received more care in the last few weeks. Updates and new installers are now up pretty quickly again.
Can confirm that we're mostly "back to normal" now, at least in terms of the number of total detected discrepancies, after an interval when it was significantly worse, and my now notorious list had grown up to about 150 entries.

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mrkgnao: Except, of course, that the image of the sun tends to be more up to date than the image of the galaxy...
On a scale of...
Post edited March 31, 2021 by WinterSnowfall
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toxicTom: I makes perfect sense. I don't need an internet connection to play my games.

Again:
Some people have no, or only a shitty (slow, limited) internet connection at home.

Those people can still download their games in some other place: In a library, at work, university, in a public place to thumbdrive, or even via smartphone and wifi (maybe not the 100 GB of CP2077...) and then transfer the installers to their machine at home.
They can't however install Galaxy on computer in a library, at work or a public place, and they can't install it on their smartphone.

When I had moved I actually downloaded my games at work and carried them home for a few months, until I got a decent internet connection. If Galaxy had been the only option to do that I would have been really pissed at GOG.

The device where I download is not necessarily the device where I play my games. The device where I download might not be compatible with Galaxy, or it isn't even mine. Every internet-enabled device has a browser, that's the lowest common denominator. So downloading through a browser should always work. Galaxy is a (nice) tool for convenience and it must always stay this way. "Will always be optional" is also what GOG promised.
Ah that makes sense, fair enough (I initially didn't understand that you were downloading the installers from a different computer than the one you install the games on). Although if they made Galaxy portable such that you don't have to "install" it to run it, then this wouldn't be an issue. That said, I do still agree with you that it would be inconvenient to have to download and run Galaxy just to download our games. It would be better if they still keep it optional and offer downloads to offline installers via the website.
Post edited March 31, 2021 by nothingnesses
Focusing on Galaxy and removing offline installers are two different things. I would be very angry about the latter, and GOG have promised not to do it, so let's hope they keep their word.
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Zrevnur: Non-Galaxy GOG is now officially almost(*) removed from CDPs business plan. Barring one instance(*) the word "GOG" only appears as part of "GOG Galaxy".
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Gersen: Seriously you are grasping straw on an industrial scale here.
No idea what you mean.
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Gersen: Gog is mentioned on page four as being part of the three companies being part of the CDPR group.
I already wrote in the OP that its mentioned on page 4. (And its part of CDP not CDPR.) And obviously somebody needs to do the stuff required for GOG Galaxy. And obviously this is going to be the GOG part and not other parts. So it obviously makes sense to mention the GOG part (I mean the company subdivision which page 4 is about) there. The issue is that nothing on page 4 (or anywhere else in there) even mentions anything about offline, standalone or DRM-free.
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Gersen: In short nothing new they want to put online stuff on Galaxy and use Galaxy as a multi-store client.
Its that which they dont mention which this topic is about. For example somebody knowing nothing about GOG and knowing Steam reads this document: It would give them the impression that GOG is like Steam and all (officially supported) gaming goes through the "GOG Galaxy" client. As this document basically describes their promoted vision for the future of CDP (for potential and existing shareholders - some may know very little about GOG especially as it doesnt contribute much profit) I think its fair to ask that question.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: I'm not clicking on all those links, but without having read any of them, the premise of the OP becoming true wouldn't surprise me in the least bit.

GOG has been heading in a pro-DRM direction for many years already, via the gradual, step by step transition to Galaxy as a DRM gate.

It's nothing new that just came out of the blue for the first time ever now, suddenly & unexpectedly.
Gog will always be a non-drm platform because that is its differential element.

You can have Non-DRM games and an optional client that you have many other options (profiles, achievements ...).

The latter is what most users want, to be able to choose what they like the most. But there are a few users who want to impose their ideas on the rest and as you can read on different social networks they have failed.

I don't like galaxy, I don't use it, but it seems perfect for anyone who wants achievements, profiles or other options to use it.