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Posted May 04, 2023
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MisterT1968: I know, that Windows 11 needs massive tweaking, but I am not sure, where to look.
Nope, it's just as compatible as Windows 10. I didn't have to change a thing when upgrading from 8 to 10 and 10 to 11.

You should get a memory test tool anyway.

Windows has a integrated tool for that as well.
This article is about Windows 10, but there will be something similar in Windows 11
https://www.netzwelt.de/anleitung/175696-windows-10ram-testen-kaputten-speicher-erkennenso-gehts.html

(and to others: yes, I know it's in german, but so is the OP)

There are also tools that will occupy a region in the memory and read / write to it which you can run multiple times to test all of the memory.


Also try to go to your BIOS/UEFI and reduce memory speed. Set it to compatibility to start with.
On my X570 board I first had memory that would not work correctly in dual channel mode. Without that it had no problem.
Post edited May 04, 2023 by neumi5694
Posted May 04, 2023
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MisterT1968: Thank you very much.

Sorry, I wasn't able to get back yesterday.

All games were installed shortly after I received the PC, so they are new installs.

I installed the DX package which includes all versions from 9 to 11 from:

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/windows-11-and-directx90c-support/0da28157-1791-4d55-bb8f-6cdac90368a6

However, it does not change anything, but I guess, it still used DX12 anyway.

MS VC++ 2005, 2008, 20010, 2012, 2013 and 2015-19 are installed in both x86 and x64.

You are right, Lula is also a Windows game. according to the Wiki. It is the only game that works.

PC specs build by One Gaming:

AMD Ryzen 9 5900X on ASUS TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI)
360mm-Radiator - CORSAIR iCUE H150i ELITE CAPELLIX XT, White - ARGB
64 GB DDR4 3600 MHz (4 x 16 GB) - CORSAIR VENGEANCE RGB PRO SL white
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 - GIGABYTE GAMING OC
M.2 SSD: 4 TB M.2 PCIe 4.0 x4 - WD_BLACK SN850X
M.2 SSD: 2 TB M.2 - Lexar NM610PRO
SSD: 1 TB Silicon Power Ace A55
SSD: 1 TB Samsung Evo 850
PSU 850 Watt - GIGABYTE P850G
Thermaltake View 200 TG ARGB schwarz, mit Glasfenster (ATX)
OS: Windows 11 Pro 22H2

I know, that Windows 11 needs massive tweaking, but I am not sure, where to look.

Unfortunately the link neumi5694 sent is not helpful, as it links to a tool, which does not exist anymore.
Do you have nvidia control panel installed?
Posted May 04, 2023
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MisterT1968: Thank you very much.

Sorry, I wasn't able to get back yesterday.

All games were installed shortly after I received the PC, so they are new installs.

I installed the DX package which includes all versions from 9 to 11 from:

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/windows-11-and-directx90c-support/0da28157-1791-4d55-bb8f-6cdac90368a6

However, it does not change anything, but I guess, it still used DX12 anyway.

MS VC++ 2005, 2008, 20010, 2012, 2013 and 2015-19 are installed in both x86 and x64.

You are right, Lula is also a Windows game. according to the Wiki. It is the only game that works.

PC specs build by One Gaming:

AMD Ryzen 9 5900X on ASUS TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI)
360mm-Radiator - CORSAIR iCUE H150i ELITE CAPELLIX XT, White - ARGB
64 GB DDR4 3600 MHz (4 x 16 GB) - CORSAIR VENGEANCE RGB PRO SL white
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 - GIGABYTE GAMING OC
M.2 SSD: 4 TB M.2 PCIe 4.0 x4 - WD_BLACK SN850X
M.2 SSD: 2 TB M.2 - Lexar NM610PRO
SSD: 1 TB Silicon Power Ace A55
SSD: 1 TB Samsung Evo 850
PSU 850 Watt - GIGABYTE P850G
Thermaltake View 200 TG ARGB schwarz, mit Glasfenster (ATX)
OS: Windows 11 Pro 22H2

I know, that Windows 11 needs massive tweaking, but I am not sure, where to look.

Unfortunately the link neumi5694 sent is not helpful, as it links to a tool, which does not exist anymore.
Probably not, and it is only a solution for Laptops, but:

Does your computer come bundled with an iGPU (integrated Graphics) alongside your NVIDIA? If it is the case try to force the games to use the latter instead, sometimes the computer does not change to the best one properly.
Posted May 04, 2023
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Gudadantza: Does your computer come bundled with an iGPU (integrated Graphics) alongside your NVIDIA? If it is the case try to force the games to use the latter instead, sometimes the computer does not change to the best one properly.
X570 boards do have a HDMI connector, but not integrated graphics. Those are basically gone since there are CPUs with APU. The connector is there in case such a CPU is installed, but the Ryzen 5900X doesn't have a APU.
Posted May 04, 2023
Have you tried changing DEP settings or using compatibility?
Posted May 04, 2023
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ussnorway: welcome to Windows 11... no its not just you
Indeed; Seems Microsoft pushes out patches every few weeks that break all sorts of compatibility and games. Honestly WinXP and Win7 are the two I'd consider before any other version of windows, problems are minimal.

Though while I've had issues with windows more as of late, i plug a fresh version of a Linux OS and it boots and works out of the box. Only had to tweak sound drivers for a flashed chromebook, and activate Vulcan for PS2 emulation (Retroarch).
Posted May 04, 2023
Curious ....

I'm using win 11 for quite some time now, but my problems with older games really set off when i changed my gpu to something more of this time.

Regarding the Anno games, it does seem that modern day pc users are better off with the special history editions only available on Ubi store(dot com) Those are essentially remasters of their older titles opening the games up to higher resolutions and compatibility with modern day windows.
Posted May 05, 2023
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MisterT1968: Thank you very much.

Sorry, I wasn't able to get back yesterday.

All games were installed shortly after I received the PC, so they are new installs.

I installed the DX package which includes all versions from 9 to 11 from:

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/windows-11-and-directx90c-support/0da28157-1791-4d55-bb8f-6cdac90368a6

However, it does not change anything, but I guess, it still used DX12 anyway.

MS VC++ 2005, 2008, 20010, 2012, 2013 and 2015-19 are installed in both x86 and x64.

You are right, Lula is also a Windows game. according to the Wiki. It is the only game that works.

PC specs build by One Gaming:

AMD Ryzen 9 5900X on ASUS TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI)
360mm-Radiator - CORSAIR iCUE H150i ELITE CAPELLIX XT, White - ARGB
64 GB DDR4 3600 MHz (4 x 16 GB) - CORSAIR VENGEANCE RGB PRO SL white
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 - GIGABYTE GAMING OC
M.2 SSD: 4 TB M.2 PCIe 4.0 x4 - WD_BLACK SN850X
M.2 SSD: 2 TB M.2 - Lexar NM610PRO
SSD: 1 TB Silicon Power Ace A55
SSD: 1 TB Samsung Evo 850
PSU 850 Watt - GIGABYTE P850G
Thermaltake View 200 TG ARGB schwarz, mit Glasfenster (ATX)
OS: Windows 11 Pro 22H2

I know, that Windows 11 needs massive tweaking, but I am not sure, where to look.

Unfortunately the link neumi5694 sent is not helpful, as it links to a tool, which does not exist anymore.
According to AMD your CPU supports 3200mhz Ram tops. Bad builders take the max. XMP the MB can support and ignore the CPU. The 400mhz gain is a 12.5% gain in ram speed but only 1.25% gain in overall system performance. The trade off is system instability and memory errors. Dial it down to 3200mhz and see if the error persists.
Posted May 05, 2023
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AS882010M0: According to AMD your CPU supports 3200mhz Ram tops. Bad builders take the max. XMP the MB can support and ignore the CPU. The 400mhz gain is a 12.5% gain in ram speed but only 1.25% gain in overall system performance. The trade off is system instability and memory errors. Dial it down to 3200mhz and see if the error persists.
It's worth a try, even though they work asynchron anyway.
Usually the combination of clock speed and latency make the difference for optimal performance. Mine run at 3600 MHz (same CPU), others suggest using 4GHz RAM.
Posted May 05, 2023
EDIT: I've looked up your specific memory kit, it is actually single rank per stick, which is fine then for a full 4 stick setup as you have, so you can skip OP section and point #2. I'll keep the original post intact in case someone finds the info useful, as most of the faster 2x16GB kits nowadays are dual rank sticks.

OP: There is a low chance that you can maintain a stable 3600Mhz oc in octa rank ddr4 setup as you have installed. If the builder just loaded the 3600mhz/cl18 or whatever profile while sticking in two quad rank kits, it simply won't work well because zen 3 doesn't support quad channel config, nor maintain advertised overclock with more than 4 memory ranks. I.e. what works with advertised profiles is either 4x single rank stick, or 2x dual rank stick.

Your options, e.g.:

1. Lower the memory clocks and loosen timings. Alternatively load some baseline profile or even a poor jedec and go up from there. There are memtests, primers etc to check the memory for errors, primer is good for checking memory/cpu under full stresstest for errors.

2. Yank out one kit (from the secondary slots on the mobo - usually A1-B1, check your mobo manual), ofc while fully powered down, instead of windows-bs like hibernation and hybrid shutdown or whatever windows uses nowadays. See how it goes with a single kit and advertised memory profiles. Then you have to decide whether to settle for less capacity, or slower memory.

3. If errors persist regardless, there is always a possibility that one stick might be faulty, they need reseating, there's a problem with voltage, bios settings (or version), etc.

P.S. Some smart goger recently said that one should not take tech advice on gog forums in general. So take that as you will.
Post edited May 05, 2023 by Spectrum_Legacy
Posted May 05, 2023
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MisterT1968: Thank you very much.

Sorry, I wasn't able to get back yesterday.

All games were installed shortly after I received the PC, so they are new installs.

I installed the DX package which includes all versions from 9 to 11 from:

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/windows-11-and-directx90c-support/0da28157-1791-4d55-bb8f-6cdac90368a6

However, it does not change anything, but I guess, it still used DX12 anyway.
Well, it would have used the DX that the game was calling. E.g. Civ IV uses DX 9.0c, whereas Stalker Clear Sky uses DX10. This is regardless of the feature set of the GPU that you have installed (which in your case is up to DX12U)

If you don't get anywhere with the hardware analysis, you could try passing the games through dgvoodoo2; this effectively translates legacy DX calls into DX11/12 calls.

Other things to try:
- Make sure you haven't installed the games into Programme Files
- Make sure the install folders aren't set to read-only

Have you had issues with any more modern games from GoG? According to your profile you only have 16 games, but you could try downloading a demo from GoG. Destroy All Humans or Lego Bricktales have demos here, and you can see if you have similar problems with them.

Windows 11 doesn't require major tweaking to work and run games. The tweaking that people do is to either make the interface more similar to previous Windows versions, to address whatever privacy concerns they have and in some cases to tweak performance. However, of all the modern operating systems, it's the easiest to get to a workable state out of the box, so I wouldn't look at the OS as a likely cause just yet.
Posted May 06, 2023
As with all questionable RAM setups, always do an 8 pass Memtestx64. (might have debugged the multi-core run by now)
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Spectrum_Legacy: EDIT: I've looked up your specific memory kit, it is actually single rank per stick, which is fine then for a full 4 stick setup as you have, so you can skip OP section and point #2. I'll keep the original post intact in case someone finds the info useful, as most of the faster 2x16GB kits nowadays are dual rank sticks.

OP: There is a low chance that you can maintain a stable 3600Mhz oc in octa rank ddr4 setup as you have installed. If the builder just loaded the 3600mhz/cl18 or whatever profile while sticking in two quad rank kits, it simply won't work well because zen 3 doesn't support quad channel config, nor maintain advertised overclock with more than 4 memory ranks. I.e. what works with advertised profiles is either 4x single rank stick, or 2x dual rank stick.

Your options, e.g.:

1. Lower the memory clocks and loosen timings. Alternatively load some baseline profile or even a poor jedec and go up from there. There are memtests, primers etc to check the memory for errors, primer is good for checking memory/cpu under full stresstest for errors.

2. Yank out one kit (from the secondary slots on the mobo - usually A1-B1, check your mobo manual), ofc while fully powered down, instead of windows-bs like hibernation and hybrid shutdown or whatever windows uses nowadays. See how it goes with a single kit and advertised memory profiles. Then you have to decide whether to settle for less capacity, or slower memory.

3. If errors persist regardless, there is always a possibility that one stick might be faulty, they need reseating, there's a problem with voltage, bios settings (or version), etc.

P.S. Some smart goger recently said that one should not take tech advice on gog forums in general. So take that as you will.
Yes & No as with all websites, I think there are more than 4 of us here that are computer professionals by trade. I've been on Tom's Hardware & Linus Techtips where you have HW shill moderators pushing all kinds of questionable products and setups detrimental to the healthy run of PCs. Reasons I am not there anymore.
Post edited May 06, 2023 by AS882010M0
Posted May 06, 2023
Hi all,
Thx for your posts.

1. Yes, I tried multiple compatibility settings, but without any effect. Also the DEP settings, with are identically with the once on my Windows 10 system.
2. GrayFace patch does only work partially. I hear the game starting, but see no game screen at all.
3. It is a fresh (and I mean really fresh) GOG installation. It did not work from the beginning.
4. Interestingly on my Windows 10 Laptop with desktop CPU (Ryzen 9 3500 and Desktop RTX2070) everything works properly without any adjustments as far as I remember.
5. Memory speed is not an issue. According to Reddit user comments 3600MHz is the sweetspot for this CPU. And I think a professional company will not offer this configutation, if this is not supported and/or working. Even RAM with 4400MHz are offered for the same CPU with the same Mainboard. If this speed would be an issue also newer games would cause issues. Diabl 3, WoW, Star Wars ToR, Horizon Zero Dawn, and many others with much higher loads on CPU, GPU and RAM are working properly without any issue.
6. With the DirectX package istalled (https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/windows-11-and-directx90c-support/0da28157-1791-4d55-bb8f-6cdac90368a6), I have no idea, how to let the game use the one I want to.
7. Sorry I made a mistake regarding MM6. I only have MM5 Swords of Xeen and the 7-9 here. MM6 runs on Steam and gives a DDraw error on startup.
8. I don't do any overclocking in general. All other drivers are up to date.
9. It is a new install of Windows 11. On upgrades certain settings are taken over from the old OS version, so there may already fixes done that impact both OS. I had this with the Win7->Win10 upgrade.
10. This CPU has no integrated GPU/APU. Ryzen 9 did not come with an integrated GPU until the new Raphael (Series 7000) Zen4 Processor.

Best regards
Posted May 06, 2023
Did you run a RAM tester? After all the error indicates a problem with your RAM.
Posted May 06, 2023
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MisterT1968: PSU 850 Watt - GIGABYTE P850G
Offtopic but why in the world would you buy a Gigabyte PSU? They are known to be horrendous.

I think i've encountered only 2 games so far that didn't work on Win11 but i was too lazy to dig into it more. Then again my config is different, i'm on i5-13600K + DDR5 + RX 6700. 3600MHz DDR4 is fine for Zen 3 but you should have went for dual channel 2x32 instead of 4x16 as quad memory setup can give you more troubles.
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