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General discussionNEWS: GOG Galaxy to start selling EPIC games(1045 posts)(1045 posts)
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Posted October 01, 2020
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Aitchus: On Reddit the "Verified GOG Rep" said this:
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rjbuffchix: From the same thread:

A user asked:

"In description I can read that I can install game with GOG Galaxy app.

Does this mean that I can install and launch games from Epic without Epic Launcher?"

With the following reply:

"[–]-chandra-Verified GOG Rep[S] 1 point 4 hours ago
No, the launcher is still necessary as these games have DRM. It means that, if you already have the Epic launcher installed, you can install the game without leaving the GOG GALAXY app. Otherwise when you were to install the game, it will ask you to install the launcher."

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Wow. So basically GOG has created a backdoor for games with DRM.
Posted October 01, 2020
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rjbuffchix: "[–]-chandra-Verified GOG Rep[S] 1 point 4 hours ago
No, the launcher is still necessary as these games have DRM. It means that, if you already have the Epic launcher installed, you can install the game without leaving the GOG GALAXY app. Otherwise when you were to install the game, it will ask you to install the launcher."
So GOG dropping their last core value confirmed then :/ And with a store that's as dodgy as EGS!

GOG really have no principles left now.
Posted October 01, 2020
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adamhm: GOG really have no principles left now.
Well, I wouldn't say that. They haven't yet sold their souls to the Devil for untold riches. Or maybe...
Posted October 01, 2020
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adamhm: GOG really have no principles left now.
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WinterSnowfall: Well, I wouldn't say that. They haven't yet sold their souls to the Devil for untold riches. Or maybe...
True, I guess the next "Good News" (tm) could be that GOG/CDPR have been bought by Tencent...
Posted October 01, 2020
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I'm fucking laughing right now, optional DRM available on GOG right now and phew that went fast despite all fancy promises.
Post edited October 02, 2020 by ChrisGamer300
Posted October 01, 2020
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Unbelievable move.
That doesn't even make sense, are there any Epic customers who would prefer to buy their games using some other store?

It's unlikely that too many oldschool GOG customers will buy anything through that, but isn't there a huge risk that those newer GOG customers who are not in the DRM-free camp will buy some Epic games through Galaxy, and then start using Epic Games entirely? So I can't see any customer transfer from Epic to GOG, but the other way it's going to happen.

If GOG Connect with Steam wasn't a success, is some big GOG boss thinking this is a better idea?

And talking about Steam. If GOG starts selling keys to other game stores, why not start selling Steam keys instead? Bigger selection, more potential customers, and if they offered automatic DRM-free GOG Connect with every purchase, a bit like many games on Humble store and Itch.io do, they might even draw some customers from Steam.

Anyway, I guess this is the moment when the final original GOG principle is buried.

If they are selling game keys to other stores, which can only be bought using one client and then only be played using another client, I'm not sure if we should be laughing or crying over this.
Posted October 01, 2020
I think it's an "epic" prank hoax to generate publicity for the upcoming Cyberpunk launch personally and that we're going to see a return of the French Monks seeking atonement.
Posted October 01, 2020
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adamhm: GOG really have no principles left now.
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WinterSnowfall: Well, I wouldn't say that. They haven't yet sold their souls to the Devil for untold riches. Or maybe...
Guess we will know by November 19th...
Post edited October 01, 2020 by TheDudeLebowski
Posted October 01, 2020
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adamhm: True, I guess the next "Good News" (tm) could be that GOG/CDPR have been bought by Tencent...
Nobody likes corners at CDPR, so they've been cut already...
Posted October 01, 2020
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PixelBoy: If they are selling game keys to other stores, which can only be bought using one client and then only be played using another client, I'm not sure if we should be laughing or crying over this.
We're probably going to be doing both (laughing and crying).
Posted October 01, 2020
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Buried In Time: This is what is what is making me think it's possible Galaxy's version of the Epic Games Store might be a more curated affair and could make DRM-free more a priority than some are fearing.
Problem is half the potential DRM-Free on Epic Store games that overlap with GOG's catalogue have already been given out as freebies:-

A Short Hike, ABZU, AER Memories of Old, Alan Wake, Alan Wake's American Nightmare, Amnesia The Dark Descent, Anodyne, Ape Out, Bad North, Close To The Sun, Conarium, Costume Quest, Darksiders 1 & 2, Enter The Gungeon, The Escapists, Everything, Fez, FTL, Figment, For The King, GNOG, Gone Home, Gonner, Hello Neighbor, Hob, Hyper Light Drifter, Inside, Into The Breach, Jotun, Kingdom: Come Deliverance, Kingdom New Lands, Last Day of June, Layers of Fear, Lifeless Planet, Limbo, Little Inferno, The Messenger, Metro 2033 Redux, Minit, Moonlighter, Mutant Year Zero, Mutazione, Nuclear Throne, Observer, Offworld Trading Company, Oxenfree, Overcooked, Pathway, QUBE2, Railway Empire, Rebel Galazy, RIME, Ruiner, Shadowrun Returns, Shadowrun Dragonfall, Shadowrun Hong Kong, Shadow Tactics: Blades Of The Shogun, Sherlock Holmes: Crimes & Punishments, Slime Rancher, SOMA, Stick It To The Man, Stories Untold, Sundered: Eldritch Edition, Superhot, Surviving Mars, Tacoma, Thimbleweed Park, This War Of Mine, Torchlight, Torchlight 2, Towerfall Ascension, What Remains of Edith Finch, Where The Water Tastes Like Wine, The Witness, The Wolf Among Us, World of Goo, Yooka-Laylee and the Impossible Lair, etc.

Is someone somewhere hoping that people will rebuy those via Galaxy to basically just create a Galaxy shortcut? Or for the non-GOG overlap freebies like Batman Arkham trilogy, I literally don't know anyone who's that incredibly thick they'll say "I can't do this, so I'll spend $50 rebuying them via GOG for a glorified script that automates Galaxy shortcuts instead..."
Post edited October 01, 2020 by AB2012
Posted October 01, 2020
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rjbuffchix: I am curious to see if Epic will begin to be featured on GOG's "sister site" FCKDRM.com. The last I saw, that site had a great breakdown of DRM and its effects on game preservation. To be featured on FCKDRM.com, the standard is (was?) to be a "100% DRM-free" source of media. It's disheartening too that people are even making any distinction between Epic's client and GOG's at this point. It's like how most people (who haven't thought deeply about the implications of their beliefs) insist that you must choose a leader. "It doesn't really matter if you choose one or the other, but you must choose one."

For any of the DRMfenders (h/t Breja), consider the implications of this move. There have already been instances of developers and apparently even GOG's Support (according to other posts, which I cannot find at the moment) telling people to "just use Galaxy" instead of providing an offline patch or a previous version offline installer...what do you think happens the more that things shift to clients? GOG has said before that Galaxy will always be optional. I hope they can do more to prove that and put us more at ease.
The FCK drm site had already been compromised, Gabe was the first contributor.
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WinterSnowfall: You think so? Because if I were a member of that group I'd say something along the lines of: "Oh well, GOG is still not, under any form, enforcing DRM - they're all still true and pure. They're just bridging you to the EGS, which is doing all the DRM" :).
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Breja: Exactly. Well that plus some lazy insults for even suggesting that GOG isn't "true and pure".
Well, there is always the argument thati it’s not drm as drm only means denuvo, or securom (of course remove either of those if they are present on epic). Nothing but those two words constitute drm.
Post edited October 01, 2020 by nightcraw1er.488
Posted October 01, 2020
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Well, I just posted my thoughts in the Galaxy 2.0 thread before I saw this one. The short summary is that I am not a fan of this change, and GOG moving away from DRM-free games will make me stop preferring GOG to Steam. Any sort of takeover attempt by Epic will cause me to stop buying from GOG entirely.

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I definitely DO NOT feel good about this announcement for the following reasons:

- I feel that it is unavoidable that this will lead to games with DRM from 3rd party stores being sold via GOG's storefront. GOG promoting sales of games with DRM (even if they are actually being bought from a 3rd party service) opposes GOG's DRM-free policy and weakens the unique/superior DRM-free market that CDPR has created.

- Partnering with Epic feels like the wrong choice here because Epic Games is known for paying millions of dollars to restrict access to games via exclusive agreements with 3rd party developers. Supporting Epic's restrictive business model contradicts GOG's consumer-focused mission. In addition, recent litigation by Epic against Apple makes collaborating with Epic on any store-related project a MAJOR legal and financial risk. I hope that CDPR has ironclad legal protections in place regarding commission percentages on sales of Epic Games Store games made via GOG's store.

- I am concerned that this will probably make it harder for me to find GOG's games for sale because games from other storefronts are being promoted instead. Did CDPR consider that this may actually draw customers away from GOG by helping customers build libraries on other services?

- Nothing has been said about whether there will be any guarantees that no personal data be provided to Epic as part of this change to GOG. Will 3rd party stores be able to access user data from GOG's store? This ambiguity makes me uneasy despite the fact that GOG has up until now been all about protecting user data.

So overall this upcoming change to GOG confuses me because it appears to go against GOG's mission statement and makes me very nervous because it seems like it could lead to other stores being in a position where they can strongly influence portions of GOG's operations. I really hope that this is a side project that is COMPLETELY optional, and also hope that this partnership does not change GOG's user-oriented policies so much that I am forced to reevaluate my personal policy to buy from GOG instead of Steam whenever possible.
Post edited October 01, 2020 by SpikedWallMan
Posted October 01, 2020
For those unaware of GOG's old publicity stunt that generated much controversy, here is a link to the Wikipedia article on it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GOG.com#Marketing_stunt_and_relaunch

Take special note that the publicity stunt occurred in late September 2010 - exactly 10 years ago. This is a 10 year anniversary prank. Prep yourselves for a new French Monk video in the future...
Posted October 01, 2020
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skeletonbow: Take special note that the publicity stunt occurred in late September 2010 - exactly 10 years ago. This is a 10 year anniversary prank. Prep yourselves for a new French Monk video in the future...
I sure hope you're right... but somehow I doubt it.
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