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mrkgnao: - True Fear: Forsaken Souls Part 2 --- Galaxy not optional for 5+ weeks
I contacted support about this and have been told that the offline installer should be updated to 1.8.1 soon.

Also it seems that GOG have contacted the devs to provide the newest patch 1.9.2 here as well. Let's hope this shows up soon and the offline installer is updated in a timely fashion too.
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ciemnogrodzianin: In my honest opinion the decision to invest in GOG Galaxy – with the whole additional layer requiring deep development of client-game integration, cross-play multiplayer, achievements etc. – it just created huge workload and GOG simply cannot handle it.
I found it obnoxious from the start and didn't see the point of it, but it's really having it bundled by surprise with an installer and then the downloader not working any more that made me understand. It was going to be a long anti-GOG descent into a skewed version of modernity, with extra requirements for developers and layers upon layers of features until Galaxy is as unusable as Steam.

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Time4Tea: In a way, I actually hope this whole thing ends up hurting GOG. The only way they are going to see sense is if they see a mass exodus of their core customer base over the next 12 months that hurts them financially. A sharp kick in the revenue stream is probably what it would take for them to realize they are going down a completely misguided path here. In that scenario, hopefully GOG would get sold by CDPR to someone that actually cares about the values of DRM-free and what GOG originally stood for.
The reason I don't see this happening is that GOG still provides the stand-alone installer, no other store does. They have a monopoly and they know it. The main reasons I don't use GOG so much now is Galaxy and terrible communication about changes and upcoming games. I end up rebuying them later on GOG for cheap, but they're leaving a lot of money on the table by being so vague and shady.
I even started a topic about it the other day: https://www.gog.com/forum/general/does_gog_hate_making_money/page1

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RoboPond: But my reasons are mostly down to the way we as customers are treated. We get no communication from them a lot of the time, each website re-design gets more user unfriendly each time they do it...
Then you have them putting Galaxy files in offline installers, support saying use Galaxy when you contact them, them hiding offline installers on the site and really pushing Galaxy.
As much as I disagree with your avatar, I have the same reasons as you. GOG has been very unpleasant for years, not communicating anything at all or clearly, making poor decisions, being much too arrogant for its own good, getting away from the simplicity. Is that what we call ambition?

I think I'll simply enjoy the ride until they go too far for even people like me.
Post edited October 03, 2020 by kmanitou
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ReynardFox: You call out my critical thinking skills but your defense has been flimsy at best and you have no concept of the bigger picture because you see games as just disposable entertainment, not as an art form that deserves to be protected and preserved.
False. Don't act like you know what I think. I have bought probably 20 - 30+ games on GOG even though I have already paid for them on Steam, or somewhere else just to have a DRM free copy to preserve them. However, I am also a realist and understand the reality of the industry and I understand many games are never going to be released DRM free. I very much believe games should be protected and preserved or I would not shop here and have nearly 500 games many of which I own on Steam or another platform.
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ReynardFox: Or how about the bold faced lie that this multi-store buying feature is the "most requested" when forum users have completely debunked such a notion?
There is a share feedback button inside Galaxy that leads to a Google Doc (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfa__KDaxbFseSOFz2ic-XGfIfb7RSbBo4aiXKfgj5Al5EzDw/viewform), So this very well could have been the most requested feature by actual Galaxy users. This information is not public. Forum users always think they know best.

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Disclaimer: I do not work for GOG.com, nor am I paid by GOG.com. All views expressed in this post are my own, and do not represent the views of GOG.com or it's employees. My views are expressed as a fan, gamer, and fellow GOG user... that is all. Thank you
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Post edited October 04, 2020 by GameN16bit
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ReynardFox: You call out my critical thinking skills but your defense has been flimsy at best and you have no concept of the bigger picture because you see games as just disposable entertainment, not as an art form that deserves to be protected and preserved.
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GameN16bit: False. Don't act like you know what I think. I have bought probably 20 - 30+ games on GOG even though I have already paid for them on Steam, or somewhere else just to have a DRM free copy to preserve them. However, I am also a realist and understand the reality of the industry and I understand many games are never going to be released DRM free. I very much believe games should be protected and preserved or I would not shop here and have nearly 500 games many of which I own on Steam or another platform.
And guess why "many games are never going to be released DRM-free"? Because of people like you who will buy them anyway. You're creating the reality you're then accepting with oh such a heavy heart. It's only through not buying DRMed games in the first place, not through buying them a second time DRM-free, that a message could have been sent to publishers. What you're doing is essentially never hurting their bottom line, and even lets them earn the money for the game twice. Yeah, I'm sure that will make them rethink the evils of DRM.
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Breja: And guess why many games are never going to be released DRM-free? Because of people like you who will buy them anyway. You're creating the reality you're then accepting with oh such a heavy heart. It's only through not buying DRMed games in the first place, not through buying them a second time DRM-free, that a message could have been sent to publishers. What you're doing is essentially never hurting their bottom line, and even lets them earn the money for the game twice. Yeah, I'm sure that will make them rething the evils of DRM.
Like I said life is to short. You fight the good fight, I'm going to be over here enjoying my games before I die. Can't take them with me after all.

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Disclaimer: I do not work for GOG.com, nor am I paid by GOG.com. All views expressed in this post are my own, and do not represent the views of GOG.com or it's employees. My views are expressed as a fan, gamer, and fellow GOG user... that is all. Thank you
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Post edited October 04, 2020 by GameN16bit
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GameN16bit: Like I said life is to short.
Yeah, it is too short to play all the games anyway, so skpping the ones with DRM is really not much of a sacrifice.
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GameN16bit: Like I said life is to short.
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Breja: Yeah, it is too short to play all the games anyway, so skpping the ones with DRM is really not much of a sacrifice.
Some of the best games I have ever played and put over 500 hours in aren't on GOG and I'm glad I got to experience them even if they never release here. To each their own. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Disclaimer: I do not work for GOG.com, nor am I paid by GOG.com. All views expressed in this post are my own, and do not represent the views of GOG.com or it's employees. My views are expressed as a fan, gamer, and fellow GOG user... that is all. Thank you
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Post edited October 04, 2020 by GameN16bit
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ReynardFox: You call out my critical thinking skills but your defense has been flimsy at best and you have no concept of the bigger picture because you see games as just disposable entertainment, not as an art form that deserves to be protected and preserved.
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GameN16bit: False. Don't act like you know what I think. I have bought probably 20 - 30+ games on GOG even though I have already paid for them on Steam, or somewhere else just to have a DRM free copy to preserve them. However, I am also a realist and understand the reality of the industry and I understand many games are never going to be released DRM free. I very much believe games should be protected and preserved or I would not shop here and have nearly 500 games many of which I own on Steam or another platform.
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ReynardFox: Or how about the bold faced lie that this multi-store buying feature is the "most requested" when forum users have completely debunked such a notion?
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GameN16bit: There is a share feedback button inside Galaxy that leads to a Google Doc (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfa__KDaxbFseSOFz2ic-XGfIfb7RSbBo4aiXKfgj5Al5EzDw/viewform), So this very well could have been the most requested feature by actual Galaxy users. This information is not public. Forum users always think they know best.
Well was it actually the most requested feature by this mechanism or wasn't it? Just mentioning this without adding that information sounds a bit like a red herring.
Post edited October 03, 2020 by jhAtgog
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GameN16bit: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yeah, this ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ is pretty much all you ever contribute. Your answer to everything. Shows how deeply you understand the principles the people upset by this development care about.

Galaxy isn't really optional for a number of games? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
There's single player content locked behind going online in a GOG game? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
GOG will profit off DRMed games? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Post edited October 03, 2020 by Breja
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mrkgnao: - True Fear: Forsaken Souls Part 2 --- Galaxy not optional for 5+ weeks
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Pajama: I contacted support about this and have been told that the offline installer should be updated to 1.8.1 soon.

Also it seems that GOG have contacted the devs to provide the newest patch 1.9.2 here as well. Let's hope this shows up soon and the offline installer is updated in a timely fashion too.
That's nice to hear. I did the same for this game on 15 September. Didn't get any reply yet.
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AB2012: That's simply not a very honest description. The fact that "Not GOG sold" Epic games purchased via Galaxy specifically comes with GOG's 30-day money back guarantee and GOG's own post even states "Most importantly, all purchases are covered by our 30-days refund policy as well as 24/7 human support", demonstrates that you are actually "selling them directly". It's the same thing that differentiates "Fulfilled by Amazon" (Amazon does support + refunds = a direct sale) vs "Fulfilled by Merchant" (3rd party does support + refunds = an indirect sale) for Amazon Marketplace sales. This isn't just personal opinion, many countries legal systems do use "who refunds the money and provides the first 14-30 day support" as a litmus test for who is legally deemed "the seller".
I didn't say GOG didn't have a hand in the sale, I said they aren't sold directly by GOG.COM. Meaning the website.... meaning you aren't going to find those games listed for sale here.

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AB2012: I doubt many Galaxy users see "At least I'm not forced to see special offers for GOG games from inside Galaxy" as some positive even remotely on par with DRM-Free. Most people would actually be quite happy with GOG advertising special offers for their own games in their own client (after all, you do exactly that in offline installers where clickable banners make even less sense if not being connected to the net results in "page not found" after clicking on such banner, right?...)
Oh I think GOG should for sure do a much better job of advertising their games in Galaxy and getting people to interact more with the GOG site by leaving reviews, etc.

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AB2012: I don't know anyone who has installed Galaxy to use as a "meta-launcher" yet remains ignorant of GOG's existence. That makes no sense at all given you have to log onto GOG to download Galaxy in the first place. The people genuinely unaware of GOG are those who've never bought games here and have never installed Galaxy or GOG account. It's like "getting more people aware of Linux" not by targeting non-Linux users in advertising campaigns, but instead by having a feature of Linux be a meta launcher for Windows apps - that's only visible to those already using Linux... Raising awareness of GOG for non-GOG users would be the exact opposite - being able to buy GOG games from within Epic / Steam clients. All you're really doing is raising awareness of the Epic Games Store for existing Galaxy users...
That ia not what I meant exactly. If you are looking for a meta launcher to manage your games, your either going to come across Playnite or Galaxy. Having as many features in Galaxy you can to manage and buy games is only going to make Galaxy the more attractive option. And if your friends are using Galaxy and buying games via Galaxy (regardless from which platform) and using Galaxy to manage all their gaming stats from different platforms then you are also going to want to be using Galaxy. Don't underestimate the power word of mouth and peer pressure.

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AB2012: I think people are confusing "I don't like multiple clients" with "I don't care where I buy my games from". They're not the same thing at all. Having Galaxy start 3rd party games which often still need their own clients to handle DRM doesn't even solve the former any more than Playnite did.
No, but it does make the experience pretty close to not having it installed. Steam will auto start and auto close when playing a game and open in the background like it's not even there. Really the only thing one has to start Steam for is to check for updates or you can just update when you start the game. If one can buy a game, seamlessly install it in the background and launch it seamlessly, then having that extra client there is going to be far less intrusive.

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Disclaimer: I do not work for GOG.com, nor am I paid by GOG.com. All views expressed in this post are my own, and do not represent the views of GOG.com or it's employees. My views are expressed as a fan, gamer, and fellow GOG user... that is all. Thank you
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Post edited October 04, 2020 by GameN16bit
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GameN16bit: There is a share feedback button inside Galaxy that leads to a Google Doc (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfa__KDaxbFseSOFz2ic-XGfIfb7RSbBo4aiXKfgj5Al5EzDw/viewform), So this very well could have been the most requested feature by actual Galaxy users. This information is not public. Forum users always think they know best.
A lot of GOG GALAXY 2.0 users talk to their grandmother and their taxi driver, maybe the most requested feature is actually being able to buy exotic pets from African scammers directly from the web client. Moderators always think they know best.
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GameN16bit: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Breja: Yeah, this ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ is pretty much all you ever contribute. Your answer to everything. Shows how deeply you understand the principles the people upset by this development care about.

Galaxy isn't really optional for a number of games? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
There's single player content locked behind going online in a GOG game? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
GOG will profit off DRMed games? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The only thing brought up in the thread I actually agree with is installers should be kept up to date with Galaxy... outside of that, much of the complaining is nothing new for many of the people here.

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Disclaimer: I do not work for GOG.com, nor am I paid by GOG.com. All views expressed in this post are my own, and do not represent the views of GOG.com or it's employees. My views are expressed as a fan, gamer, and fellow GOG user... that is all. Thank you
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Post edited October 04, 2020 by GameN16bit
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GameN16bit: The only thing brought up in the thread I actually agree with is installers should be kept up to date with Galaxy... outside of that, much of the complaining is nothing new for many of the people here.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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GameN16bit: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Breja: Yeah, this ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ is pretty much all you ever contribute. Your answer to everything. Shows how deeply you understand the principles the people upset by this development care about.

Galaxy isn't really optional for a number of games? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
There's single player content locked behind going online in a GOG game? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
GOG will profit off DRMed games? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It's the sign of the troll.

Don't let him get under your skin. The real mods would be just too happy to close this thread.