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GamezRanker: That said, my bad for not clarifying: I meant ones pushed as much by the govvt/corportations as LGBT+ and Black History Month. Both of the latter are front and center and talked about constantly during their months, but I hardly see as much as a peep about the first two.
I'd probably start at the everyday treatment of these groups. If LGBTQ+ and Black Heritage month is getting more attention by news / corporations / gov't compared to other groups, could it possibly be because there still persists ongoing and severe discrimination against those high-profile groups? Might hear an Irish or Jewish slur or distasteful references in North America from time to time, but their current daily life is largely unaffected compared to other more vulnerable groups.

Just a hunch. I'm not Irish, Jewish, or black either.
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kohlrak: I don't know where you're from, but you won't last long in the US, or certain parts of europe.
Born and raised in Eastern Europe, been living for a while in Western Europe. But I have to ask, why is that?
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Shadowstalker16: It makes no sense to be proud of a part of your identity you can't control.
lol, I'm a straight dude who grew up hanging with other straight dudes and I can attest to the fact that every day was straight pride day. Anyone who does not acknowledge that especially men spend a lot of time asserting their sexuality to themselves and others is plain in denial.

It's the same with people bitching about vegans having to constantly tell everyone what they eat and do, like I can't remember a myriad of situations where someone was bragging about his meat consumption.

It also should be obvious that the notion of pride in gay pride is context-sensitive and geared towards a situation when many want to deny these people the right to exist and flourish.
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Canuck_Cat: Might hear an Irish or Jewish slur or distasteful references in North America from time to time, but their current daily life is largely unaffected compared to other more vulnerable groups.
This is actually what comprises a large chunk of the negative discriminatory treatment that many black people and lgbt get in many parts of the first world.

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Canuck_Cat: If LGBTQ+ and Black Heritage month is getting more attention by news / corporations / gov't compared to other groups, could it possibly be because there still persists ongoing and severe discrimination against those high-profile groups?
There actually isn't much of such left, at least not in most of the first world....now in other parts of the world, on the other hand...
(and many of the parts of the world where such movements are needed don't have such or allow such)

Btw, such treatment(holidays/months and etc) is also discrimination....positive discrimination, but still discrimination.

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Robette: ...lol...
I see that straight/white guilt is still a helluva drug
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There seems to be this misconception that we're proud of something that's just there and not earned. We're not really proud of being queer. We're rather proud that, after being beaten up, legally disadvantaged, disowned by family members, threatened or told that there's something wrong with us (in the past, also by gaming communities), we prevailed and fought against it. That's what we're proud of and we're happy that an increasing number of people in society acknowledge that. :)
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Darvond: It's a complicated matter; especially when you have lawmakers making them the new target for stigmatization. As seen by the Anti-Trans bills pushed by (but struck down) in Texas, and this brown stain from Tennessee.

You know, actual segregation.
Gents' and ladies' are segregation now? Are you high? There's always been "segregation" since women won the right to have private toilets.

This article is a lie. Businesses aren't required and in fact can't legally ban fetishists (see Bostock). Those businesses which don't provide private restrooms to women are required to inform women of the fact. That's it. Businesses which lie to women can't lie to women anymore.

It's still terrible, because women (and men - not all men are gross coomers!) should HAVE private bathrooms and the bill does nothing to provide them. But it's better than nothing.

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Canuck_Cat: 1. You're born with an identity and pride is a product of you giving value to the various identities you pick up along in life. You're free to choose your identities, give varying values to it, or discard them as you see fit (with some legal restrictions).
1. No one is born with an identity.

2. Sexual orientation is not an identity and not a choice.

3. It's exactly because sexual orientation is not a choice that it needs protection.

[Post moderated by SmollestLight: Post was highly inappropriate. Please refrain from intentionally insulting or offending others.]
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amirdizdarevic: There seems to be this misconception that we're proud of something that's just there and not earned. We're not really proud of being queer.
*looks at the various LGBT pride parades and events*

Could've fooled me then....

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amirdizdarevic: We're rather proud that, after being beaten up, legally disadvantaged, disowned by family members, threatened or told that there's something wrong with us (in the past, also by gaming communities), we prevailed and fought against it. That's what we're proud of and we're happy that an increasing number of people in society acknowledge that. :)
While it's nice that we get better treatment these days in the first world, let's be honest: the worst most of us get is nasty words/looks, and all the "fighting" was done for us long ago(same with african americans and others).

As for acknowledgment: most of the stuff from corporations(like logos, vague statements, etc) is pandering done to make a buck while treating us like walking wallets, and a number of our fellow citizens probably think differently behind closed doors(likely due in part to being pressured by society to treat us a certain way lest they be shunned/cancelled/etc).

Imo if we just let people accept us as/if they wanted on their own terms(instead of trying to force people to do so) & were less in people's faces all the time then they'd likely be more accepting of us.
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someone remember these 2 characters of the show little britain:

Dafydd - The only gay in the village

Trans Emily Howard - I´m a lady
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GamezRanker: As for acknowledgment: most of the stuff from corporations(like logos, vague statements, etc) is pandering done to make a buck while treating us like walking wallets, and a number of our fellow citizens probably think differently behind closed doors(likely due in part to being pressured by society to treat us a certain way lest they be shunned/cancelled/etc).
This is the first year that the whol pride month thing is visible in this corner of the earth. While there is probably no lack of hypocrisy, it is a sign of a change for the better. At least corporations treat everyone the same now, LGBT+ or no.
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apehater: someone remember these 2 characters of the show little britain:

Dafydd - The only gay in the village

Trans Emily Howard - I´m a lady
Remember the the interview Dafydd did with Elton John? Awesome :D
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dogwhelk: While there is probably no lack of hypocrisy, it is a sign of a change for the better.
Change for the better would be everyone not focusing on people's s*xuality/race/gender and just treating everyone as human beings devoid of labels...that means dropping things like pride/history weeks/months.

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dogwhelk: At least corporations treat everyone the same now, LGBT+ or no.
Yeah, for the money and not because they care in many cases.
(i.e. they'd pander to anyone for a buck, even the tipleK, if it was acceptable to do so)


=== People need to see themselves and others mainly as fellow human beings, and not focus on and categorize others with labels so much.
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GamezRanker: People need to see themselves and others mainly as fellow human beings, and not focus on and categorize others with labels so much.
Absolutely right, but that is one hell of a challenge for some.
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Shadowstalker16: Would you be supportive of ''pride'' events for other aspects of identity? Like race, ethnicity or religion for example?
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dtgreene: Where I am, in a normal (non-pandemic summer), there are various festivals, like Irish Fest and Greek Fest, which are celebrations of various ethnicities. (Greek Fest is a good opportunity to get some nice Greek food, as well as watch Greek dancing to Greek music (which is similar to klesmer).)

Similarly, religions have their own holidays, and often they have festivals in their places of worship.
Those don't have a political / lobbying purpose though. They also don't have an international character (ie Irish or Greek people from around the world don't organize and celebrate it together).

Observing religious festivals is done based on the reasons for those festivals in the religious scriptures. Ie Christmas is not a celebration of everything Christianity but of Jesus' birth. I'm talking about whether it would be right if there was a celebration of just an arbitrary identity by itself.
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patrikc: Absolutely right, but that is one hell of a challenge for some.

It's simpler if people do what Morgan Freeman once said: Stop talking about it

(i.e. as Sidney Poitier was talking about above: seeing people as men[as in humans, not just males], and not focusing on labels for people like black/white/lgbt/straight/etc)
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Canuck_Cat: Sorry, I don't understand what you mean. Hope I'm hitting the right notes here:

1. You're born with an identity and pride is a product of you giving value to the various identities you pick up along in life. You're free to choose your identities, give varying values to it, or discard them as you see fit (with some legal restrictions).

2. LGBQT+ pride month is a commemorative observance to acknowledge the history and contributions of the LGBTQ+ community and their current struggles. Their end goal is equality and acceptance.

3. The point I was making is national holidays already do function for others to practice and celebrate racial and religious pride (e.g., Good Friday / Easter Monday, Thanksgiving, Christmas break for Christmas / Hanukkah / Kwanzaa, etc. in Canada and the US).

If that's not correct, please go into more depth about this hypothetical racial or religious pride month. Other examples I can think of is Ramadan or Chinese New Year. In contrast with LGBTQ+ pride, the goal is to devote themselves to the teachings of Islam and to honour traditions / spend time with your family ushering in the new year respectively. Clearly, very different end goals.

3. The rest looks like political philosophy and conjecture of holidays, so I'm not getting into that. I enjoy holidays because I get days off work. I don't really care about their meanings, but if it means a lot to other people, power to them.
1. Yes, everyone's identity is a combination of changeable and unchangeable stuff. But it is considered progressive to not be obsessed with / fixate on the unchangeable stuff, ie race or in this case sexual orientation.

2&3. As I said above, religious holidays can't be directly compared; they're ceremonies based on religious scriptures / teachings. I don't see how something more educational in nature (as you describe it) is similar. And I fail to see education or celebration pride parades, which looks to me like morally sanctioned exhibitionism more than anything else.

Ramadan or Chinese NY aren't a celebration of Islam / Chinese culture though. They're not observed by adherents to teach something to the non adherents. Its something from the culture for people in the culture.

A lighthearted analogy about the political aspect:

A is the older sibling and B is the younger one. From a time before both of them could remember, their parents bought A a pair of Crocs (the ugly plastic footwear everyone hates). A covets these shoes not knowing that anyone with any measure of sense finds them silly. Seeing this B also demands a pair of Crocs instead of realizing they're stupid. And to keep the peace parents get B a pair too. Here both the kids lack sense and the parents don't care about their kids being stupid. I'm saying that the battle for recognizing holidays is similar.

If anything is an actual holiday though, I too would gladly celebrate by staying home, principles or not.
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REPRESENTATION MATTERS
For this year's Pride Month, our queer team members share their favorite games with LGBTQ+ themes and characters that are available on GOG.COM. This is not a sale but our way of showing that representation of minority groups is important, even in fictional worlds of video games. Inclusive environments and diverse characters create a safe space to have fun and express yourself for all kinds of gamers.
I think GOG's and their team members' sentiments are quite nice, though the visibility isn't anything to brag about. It's like they're a little bit shy and coy about it, lest the bigots crawl out of the wood works. And their queer team members should be proud, to be queer in Poland even in 2021 is no walk in the park.

It is incredible though to see some of the comments here (though it doesn't surprise me even a little bit with some users). Total ignorance and no comprehension about equity in a world where there is little equality. It's a total victory for the prejudist when equality is shoved down everyone's throat and the persecution of minorities swept under the rug. You need to equalise things when things are uneven. ANd there is little downside in doing so. Maybe then we'll have equality. And it's precisely *because of* activists and people believing in equity that we are progressing in the right direction and things are looking up in many parts of the world, people forget that.

Not sure what the cure is for chronic lack of empathy.