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BrianSim: Ah yes, Jason Schreier. The quintessential overly political "Game Journalist (tm)" former employee of "Gamers Are Dead" Kotaku site who declared 14m sales a "flop" and almost giggled with excitement at the expectation that Cyberpunk will be "saturated in trans-phobia" that turned out to be a whole lot of nothing... He also deleted a tweet that falsely accused CDPR staff of "only speaking Polish" during meetings with English speaking staff whilst working at Bloomberg.

I don't know what bonus would be appropriate for CDPR managers after Cyberpunk's rocky launch. But if you want honest news about the video game industry, avoid "Game Journalists" (tm) like the plague...
whats the point here? calling people bad that dare to criticize a company for rewarding its managers for pulling a randy pitchford scam
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fronzelneekburm: GOOD NEWS!™ Marcin will make $6.3 million, which means he can finally afford getting a haircut so he won't have to walk around looking like a dishevelled homeless person any more.
its just NEWS, gog doesn't announce their infos with GOOD NEWS anymore. one honest move among all the lies.
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Zrevnur: ...
There is a thread here - I didnt see your name: https://www.gog.com/forum/general/boycotting_gog_2021/page1
i did notice that thread, but so far don't have an urge to join the list in it
Post edited May 03, 2021 by apehater
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dick1982: .... the problem is the game sold well anyway, and refunds of the console versions seem to be surprisingly low. ...
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apehater: if i may ask, where do you have this info from?
Considering that a simple Google search yields links claiming ~2M returns overall (without hard proof) I would also like to know.

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Breja: ... You want to blame someone, blame the people who preorder games, and who will surely pre-order their next game just as if this launch never happened.
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apehater: in this case, i blame the people only partially. the most blame is on cdpr, they pulled the randy pitchford scam and deceived people. i think their whole marketing/pr on cp2077 should be considered a fraud and investigated by authorities. there is a reason, why cdpr bought anonymously their stolen stuff back from hackers a while ago (my assumption).
But authorities (one at least) do/did investigate them:
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/kv28mq/cd_projekt_examined_by_polish_consumer_protection/
https://www.pcgamer.com/polish-regulator-investigates-cd-projekt-over-cyberpunk-2077s-troubled-launch/
Internet search gives you a lot more links. Dont know what the current state of that investigation is though.
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Zrevnur: Considering that a simple Google search yields links claiming ~2M returns overall (without hard proof) I would also like to know.
Learn to Google (or DuckDuckGO), it's not that hard:

https://www.ign.com/articles/cdpr-issued-some-30000-refunds-for-cyberpunk-2077
https://www.gamepressure.com/editorials/was-the-amount-of-cyberpunk-2077-refunds-insignificant/z540a

I do think the ~500M revenue vs. 50M returns (in cash, not units) is realistic. Most people don't bother, and despite all the hate CDPR still have a reputation, so people trust the game will be fixed.
Also most of the sales were PC versions afaik, and the PC version isn't half as bad as people say. It wasn't even Bethesda-level broken at release. Sill I'd like to read an honest post-mortem, maybe in a year or two.

I don't know what made the board of directors (who took the blame) release the game in this state. My guess is a myriad of circumstances coming together: The dev team simply was burnt out after a year of crunch. Death threats after the announcement of delay before (pandemic driving people crazy), shareholders wanting their cut at last...

I do think the game - patched up properly, and the recent patches actually show that they simply weren't finished - is a really good game underneath. Probably not as outstanding as Witcher 3, which may have two reasons:
- They bit off more than they could chew with their promises of life-paths and all. With Geralt they kinda were on safe territory, the Witcher saga is something every Polish geek knows and loves. Me too, btw. The CP world is something they needed to worm their way in, and actually they did with impressive results when it comes to world-building.
- It's rumoured they re-wrote the entire story when they got "Neo" as Johnny Silverhand, to give the "star" more room. Yeah well. No matter his (IMO brilliant) performance, this turned the game into a much more streamlined, movie-experience, and the promised many choices and consequences got axed. I understand the decision from a marketing point of view, but if that really happened, I don't agree with it.

Nevertheless, I don't think the lawsuits have much ground. CP77 sold like sliced bread, even with 10% refunds. The dropping stocks are just part of the financial game, with the obvious financial success of the game nobody can seriously blame CDP. Any "false advertising" claims CDP can brush off with "work and progress" and "subject to change" messages featured prominently in all pre-release trailers and material. And the CDP shares have been massively overrated for quite a while now (C'mon, worth more than UBI and EA, with countless AAA released per year, vs a Polish studio with one release every five years, and an online shop that barely makes do?). That was a bubble if I've ever seen one... and any judge with some sense will laugh the allegations out of court.

Regarding the bonuses: I don't know in what ways those bonuses for CEO had been fixed in contracts, but the right thing to do if they really cared would have been to refrain from them, and give the money to those who made CP77 possible, and to those who had to take the brunt of the anger when it wasn't what was promised, including GOG support. Kinda sad, that management rather wants to play CorpoRat, than honouring their Street Kids and Nomads. Just shows how far they were from the game and what it tell (in many brilliant ways) in the end. Maybe CDP (without the R) should rename to Arasaka.
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Zrevnur: Considering that a simple Google search yields links claiming ~2M returns overall (without hard proof) I would also like to know.
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toxicTom: Learn to Google (or DuckDuckGO), it's not that hard:

https://www.ign.com/articles/cdpr-issued-some-30000-refunds-for-cyberpunk-2077
https://www.gamepressure.com/editorials/was-the-amount-of-cyberpunk-2077-refunds-insignificant/z540a
Now if you would point out where those links support the claim "refunds of the console versions seem to be surprisingly low" which I quoted?

The second quoted article is speculation: "To sum it up, I don't think that the actual number of all Cyberpunk 2077's returns is as huge as some bad prophets predicted. A few hundred thousand at most?"

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toxicTom: I don't know what made the board of directors (who took the blame) release the game in this state. My guess is a myriad of circumstances coming together: The dev team simply was burnt out after a year of crunch. Death threats after the announcement of delay before (pandemic driving people crazy), shareholders wanting their cut at last...
GOG may also be one of the reasons. They probably overinvested in GOG CP2077 start and didnt want a red profit number for GOG in 2020.

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toxicTom: Nevertheless, I don't think the lawsuits have much ground. CP77 sold like sliced bread, even with 10% refunds. The dropping stocks are just part of the financial game, with the obvious financial success of the game nobody can seriously blame CDP.
If you mean the investor lawsuits - I think they blame CDP management for (basically) lying to them which would be a regulatory breach.

Edit: GOG was also so nice to provide a general refund rate of 1.39% units to compare those 10% (if true which I dont know) with: https://items.gog.com/news/news_gog2020_info_users_en.jpg

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toxicTom: Any "false advertising" claims CDP can brush off with "work and progress" and "subject to change" messages featured prominently in all pre-release trailers and material.
I am not aware of any 'false advertising' legal threats to CDP.

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toxicTom: And the CDP shares have been massively overrated for quite a while now (C'mon, worth more than UBI and EA, with countless AAA released per year, vs a Polish studio with one release every five years, and an online shop that barely makes do?). That was a bubble if I've ever seen one... and any judge with some sense will laugh the allegations out of court.
Knowingly deceiving investors is not a laughable allegation in US.
Post edited May 04, 2021 by Zrevnur
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Zrevnur: ...
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apehater: in this case, i blame the people only partially. the most blame is on cdpr, they pulled the randy pitchford scam and deceived people. i think their whole marketing/pr on cp2077 should be considered a fraud and investigated by authorities. there is a reason, why cdpr bought anonymously their stolen stuff back from hackers a while ago (my assumption).
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Zrevnur: But authorities (one at least) do/did investigate them:
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/kv28mq/cd_projekt_examined_by_polish_consumer_protection/
https://www.pcgamer.com/polish-regulator-investigates-cd-projekt-over-cyberpunk-2077s-troubled-launch/
Internet search gives you a lot more links. Dont know what the current state of that investigation is though.
the links are interesting, thanks. but do not cover the fradulent activity i meant in the post, which you replied to.
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Zrevnur: ...
Edit: GOG was also so nice to provide a general refund rate of 1.39% units to compare those 10% (if true which I dont know) with: https://items.gog.com/news/news_gog2020_info_users_en.jpg
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numbers and information provided by gog for marketing is highly speculative. i don't trust them, since they love to lie.
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Zrevnur: ...
Edit: GOG was also so nice to provide a general refund rate of 1.39% units to compare those 10% (if true which I dont know) with: https://items.gog.com/news/news_gog2020_info_users_en.jpg
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apehater: numbers and information provided by gog for marketing is highly speculative. i don't trust them, since they love to lie.
I think you missed my point here: The 1.39% can potentially be used in those lawsuits against them to point out that Cyberpunk had far more returns than the average game - using this 1.39% number that they themselves provided. That that number is untrustworthy is true but it would have to be the defendant CDP who would have to argue that - aka: "You see yes we said this 1.39% but its not actually true and everybody knows we cant be trusted anyway."
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apehater: numbers and information provided by gog for marketing is highly speculative. i don't trust them, since they love to lie.
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Zrevnur: I think you missed my point here: The 1.39% can potentially be used in those lawsuits against them to point out that Cyberpunk had far more returns than the average game - using this 1.39% number that they themselves provided. That that number is untrustworthy is true but it would have to be the defendant CDP who would have to argue that - aka: "You see yes we said this 1.39% but its not actually true and everybody knows we cant be trusted anyway."
oh yes, i get it
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apehater: numbers and information provided by gog for marketing is highly speculative. i don't trust them, since they love to lie.
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Zrevnur: I think you missed my point here: The 1.39% can potentially be used in those lawsuits against them to point out that Cyberpunk had far more returns than the average game - using this 1.39% number that they themselves provided. That that number is untrustworthy is true but it would have to be the defendant CDP who would have to argue that - aka: "You see yes we said this 1.39% but its not actually true and everybody knows we cant be trusted anyway."
I wouldn't trust any company to tell the truth in their pr posts
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§pectre: How did they do this in a country with workers protections? Why should we believe some scumbags with an agenda?
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paladin181: Workers protections only go so far. You can believe what you like. The facts are, employees were forced to work mandatory overtime despite repeated studies that show production drops off sharply after 40 hours. If you want to defend such a practice, that's your prerogative. I do not.
whos fault is that practice? imho the workers , if they dont want to work more than 40 hours they should make such contracts and stick to it
Post edited May 05, 2021 by Orkhepaj