It seems that you're using an outdated browser. Some things may not work as they should (or don't work at all).
We suggest you upgrade newer and better browser like: Chrome, Firefox, Internet Explorer or Opera

×
All in all that's a real Cyberpunk-ish thing to do, pocketing money from a megacorp and their gullible customers.
Post edited May 02, 2021 by zlaywal
avatar
paladin181: But yes, shit heads responsible for abusing workers and lying to customers should not be getting huge fucking bonuses for it. Fuck Marcin Iwinski and Adam Badowski for all that.
Did they have them in cages, beating them or is this the result of some overblown " videogame journalist" with a bias against the company.
avatar
paladin181: But yes, shit heads responsible for abusing workers and lying to customers should not be getting huge fucking bonuses for it. Fuck Marcin Iwinski and Adam Badowski for all that.
avatar
§pectre: Did they have them in cages, beating them or is this the result of some overblown " videogame journalist" with a bias against the company.
No, they required extended hours for long periods of time, constantly hanging the sword of Damocles over their heads should they decide to prioritize family over work. Supporting abusive practices like requiring overtime for months at a time is not something that should be done, and minimizing it by saying "they weren't held in cages and beaten, derp." doesn't change that it is a terrible practice that needs to stop. Supporting abusive crunch (after it was explicitly stated the company would not force abusive crunch on this project) is never good.
avatar
§pectre: Did they have them in cages, beating them or is this the result of some overblown " videogame journalist" with a bias against the company.
avatar
paladin181: No, they required extended hours for long periods of time, constantly hanging the sword of Damocles over their heads should they decide to prioritize family over work. Supporting abusive practices like requiring overtime for months at a time is not something that should be done, and minimizing it by saying "they weren't held in cages and beaten, derp." doesn't change that it is a terrible practice that needs to stop. Supporting abusive crunch (after it was explicitly stated the company would not force abusive crunch on this project) is never good.
How did they do this in a country with workers protections? Why should we believe some scumbags with an agenda?
avatar
BrianSim: Ah yes, Jason Schreier. The quintessential overly political "Game Journalist (tm)" former employee of "Gamers Are Dead" Kotaku site who declared 14m sales a "flop" and almost giggled with excitement at the expectation that Cyberpunk will be "saturated in trans-phobia" that turned out to be a whole lot of nothing... He also deleted a tweet that falsely accused CDPR staff of "only speaking Polish" during meetings with English speaking staff whilst working at Bloomberg.

I don't know what bonus would be appropriate for CDPR managers after Cyberpunk's rocky launch. But if you want honest news about the video game industry, avoid "Game Journalists" (tm) like the plague...
i'm glad he got fired from Bloomberg.
avatar
paladin181: No, they required extended hours for long periods of time, constantly hanging the sword of Damocles over their heads should they decide to prioritize family over work. Supporting abusive practices like requiring overtime for months at a time is not something that should be done, and minimizing it by saying "they weren't held in cages and beaten, derp." doesn't change that it is a terrible practice that needs to stop. Supporting abusive crunch (after it was explicitly stated the company would not force abusive crunch on this project) is never good.
avatar
§pectre: How did they do this in a country with workers protections? Why should we believe some scumbags with an agenda?
Workers protections only go so far. You can believe what you like. The facts are, employees were forced to work mandatory overtime despite repeated studies that show production drops off sharply after 40 hours. If you want to defend such a practice, that's your prerogative. I do not.
avatar
apehater: "... Iwiński and co-CEO Adam Kiciński are each slated to receive a bonus of 24 million zloty, or $6.3 million, according to the company’s annual report. Adam Badowski, a board member and the director of Cyberpunk 2077, will take home $4.2 million. ..."

well, sadly i'm kinda missing these info in gogs numbers and facts thread. seems like beeing a scammy, spineless je#k, f#cking up customers, lying and treating employees like sh#t (remember all the crunchtime?) is worth a huge reward. i love cdprojects policy on bonuses!
If you look at page 135 of [url=
https://www.cdprojekt.com/en/wp-content/uploads-en/2021/04/management-board-report-on-the-activities-of-the-cd-projekt-group-and-cdc-projekt-sa-in-2020.pdf]
https://www.cdprojekt.com/en/wp-content/uploads-en/2021/04/management-board-report-on-the-activities-of-the-cd-projekt-group-and-cdc-projekt-sa-in-2020.pdf[/url] the effective number of money/shares they got themselves 2020 is a lot higher actually. Those warrants may have accumulated over a few years though. Didnt read/check it in detail. But it says 3 notable managers got 723 520 shares each 2020 (some for a low price of ~6$ per share if I calced it correctly, the other shares I dont know but as it says 'warrant' - obviously also for a very low price). One share is still worth around 50$ now.
If I assume 6$ per share cost and 70$ per share value (end of 2020) I get 64$ * 723520 ~= $46 million benefit per top manager due to 2020 (probably as bonus granted at some time mostly before 2020) warrant exercises.
avatar
apehater: btw: i didn't purchase anything on gog for about 4 years already and still not regreting it, you should try it too.
There is a thread here - I didnt see your name: https://www.gog.com/forum/general/boycotting_gog_2021/page1
low rated
avatar
§pectre: How did they do this in a country with workers protections?
There's (sadly) ways/loopholes around many such protections....like in the US one cannot be fired for certain reasons, so in such cases a manager or other higher up will make something up and use that instead.

avatar
§pectre: Why should we believe some scumbags with an agenda?
One shouldn't blindly believe something, true enough, but then one shouldn't blindly dismiss something either.....they should(if they want to and feel like it) look for other sources to verify/disprove the claim.

That said, after some things that they've done**(GOG/CDPR) around this and other issues, I am thinking the OP's info is more likely fact than fiction.

(**including the main stock holders selling a chunk of their stock before/during/after the 2077 launch, and making millions)
avatar
dick1982: .... the problem is the game sold well anyway, and refunds of the console versions seem to be surprisingly low. ...
if i may ask, where do you have this info from?
avatar
nightcraw1er.488: ..., it is the most common thing for the worst to succeed. Just looking at the rankings, notables are EA (of which CDPR aspire) and blizzard...
yes, but i think cdpr/gog are even lower than for example ea. since they're as shady as ea but still riding on that "we're the drm-free, pro-customer company and savior of gaming industry, bla bla ..." image, although its not true anymore for years
Post edited May 03, 2021 by apehater
low rated
avatar
Crosmando: That's the thing though, despite the mess it was at launch, CP was a huge financial success. Goes to show you how powerful modern marketting is.
i'm not sure if that randy pitchford/alien colonial marines scam can be considered only marketing or also intentional criminal activity
low rated
avatar
Breja: ... You want to blame someone, blame the people who preorder games, and who will surely pre-order their next game just as if this launch never happened.
in this case, i blame the people only partially. the most blame is on cdpr, they pulled the randy pitchford scam and deceived people. i think their whole marketing/pr on cp2077 should be considered a fraud and investigated by authorities. there is a reason, why cdpr bought anonymously their stolen stuff back from hackers a while ago (my assumption).
who wouldnt take the money into pocket if given the chance?
avatar
§pectre: How did they do this in a country with workers protections? Why should we believe some scumbags with an agenda?
avatar
paladin181: Workers protections only go so far. You can believe what you like. The facts are, employees were forced to work mandatory overtime despite repeated studies that show production drops off sharply after 40 hours. If you want to defend such a practice, that's your prerogative. I do not.
The only thing being defended is scumbag smear merchants by yourself and others that parrot any old shit they put out.
avatar
§pectre: The only thing being defended is scumbag smear merchants by yourself and others that parrot any old shit they put out.
I haven't once defended anyone here. Stop projecting.
avatar
§pectre: How did they do this in a country with workers protections?
avatar
GamezRanker: There's (sadly) ways/loopholes around many such protections....like in the US one cannot be fired for certain reasons, so in such cases a manager or other higher up will make something up and use that instead.
They are in Europe not the USA.
If posters want to point out business loopholes and schemes then they can feel free to do so unlike some others that are whining about it.

avatar
§pectre: Why should we believe some scumbags with an agenda?
One shouldn't blindly believe something, true enough, but then one shouldn't blindly dismiss something either.....they should(if they want to and feel like it) look for other sources to verify/disprove the claim.
There were also people that used any excuse to attack the company for political or financial reasons.