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viranimus: I live in the US. I hold a mastercard.Because I live in the US and GOG has their transaction clearinghouse through Cypress, My bank by default automatically refuses transactions through GOG. I have had to contact my bank to get them to repair such issue and they cite it being an automatic "protection" because they state the higher number of fraudulent transactions that go through countries like cypress that the US does not have top tier diplomatic relations with. Also, Paypal is no alternative either considering that the credit card will hold the same restriction regardless if it is direct or through paypal if the funds go to one of their "flag" countries...
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Orlim: Thank you for citing this issue.
I am still baffled. I am a dual citizen of the US and Germany and have accounts in both countries. I have never ever had any kind of payment issues with Chase, Bank of America, Postbank or the Sparkasse.
I was also not aware that Visa or Master were nationally supervised. They are global traders with their own fraud detection tools. I would have run in to that issue with my American MasterCard at least once, no?
I believe it depends on the bank or institution that issued the card in question but don't take my word for it as I am no expert in these matters :)
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viranimus: snip
Small correction.
This is a Cypress.
This is Cyprus.
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Orlim: Thank you for citing this issue.
I am still baffled. I am a dual citizen of the US and Germany and have accounts in both countries. I have never ever had any kind of payment issues with Chase, Bank of America, Postbank or the Sparkasse.
I was also not aware that Visa or Master were nationally supervised. They are global traders with their own fraud detection tools. I would have run in to that issue with my American MasterCard at least once, no?
Bank and Card specific, not Visa (or Mastercard) specific. I had a card from one bank decline a payment to IndieRoyale because it goes through Australia, while the same card works on GOG just fine, and a card from another bank has no problem with either one. It is usually a case of allowing foreign transactions or blocking specific countries, for "Reasons".
Post edited December 05, 2013 by JMich
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viranimus: snip
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JMich: Small correction.
This is a Cypress.
This is Cyprus.
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Orlim: Thank you for citing this issue.
I am still baffled. I am a dual citizen of the US and Germany and have accounts in both countries. I have never ever had any kind of payment issues with Chase, Bank of America, Postbank or the Sparkasse.
I was also not aware that Visa or Master were nationally supervised. They are global traders with their own fraud detection tools. I would have run in to that issue with my American MasterCard at least once, no?
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JMich: Bank and Card specific, not Visa (or Mastercard) specific. I had a card from one bank decline a payment to IndieRoyale because it goes through Australia, while the same card works on GOG just fine, and a card from another bank has no problem with either one. It is usually a case of allowing foreign transactions or blocking specific countries, for "Reasons".
I guess I have been very, very fortunate so far *crossesfingers*.
I still wish there were better alternatives than PaySafe, but not everything is up to GoG.com.
I guess the global transactions system is not working for everyone as it has and is for me. :o
At least there is another option available, the more the better :)
Paysafecard would be a good way to lift the anonymous way of paying cash onto the internet. But:
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JMich: In countries other than Germany, you can still combine multiple paysafe cards, so there isn't any wasted money
That really means: in Germany the Paysafecard is quite useless as you only buy multiple gift cards. Or, you could have paid out the remaining amount to your bank account, but then there is no anonymity anymore. Nothing won, and in that case I rather pay with VISA.

Too bad that this rule even applies for foreign shops like GOG. Guess I would have to buy my PSC coupons in stores outside of Germany to retain the anonymity. Or I let them buy, but how should one pay the retailer? Paysafecard? ^^
Post edited December 05, 2013 by ZivilSword
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viranimus: snip
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JMich: Small correction.

Bank and Card specific, not Visa (or Mastercard) specific. I had a card from one bank decline a payment to IndieRoyale because it goes through Australia, while the same card works on GOG just fine, and a card from another bank has no problem with either one. It is usually a case of allowing foreign transactions or blocking specific countries, for "Reasons".
Total error on my part that needed correction. Thank you.

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Orlim: I am still baffled. I am a dual citizen of the US and Germany and have accounts in both countries. I have never ever had any kind of payment issues with Chase, Bank of America, Postbank or the Sparkasse.
I was also not aware that Visa or Master were nationally supervised. They are global traders with their own fraud detection tools. I would have run in to that issue with my American MasterCard at least once, no?
While not in a way that is relevant to the discussion at hand, yes both Visa and Master card are in fact nationally regulated where applicable. Just getting that out of the way.

Related to this issue, as Jmich explained it is bank and card specific. The assumption that you would have ran into in your situation is incorrect and really out of place as no one has suggested that all banks operate identically or interact with payment facilitators such as MC or Visa in the same ways.

There is where the confusion begins. Understanding what credit cards like Visa or Master card actually are. Visa, MC, Discover or the like do not issue cards, establish credit, set fees or policies. They are payment facilitators. All they do is interact between bank and merchant. They "facilitate" payment transactions between a merchant and the respective bank. Sort of like the doorman deciding who gets in to your bank account. All the little logo on your card means is that your bank facilitates transactions via MC or Visa, or who ever they put on the card they issued you.

This is why in the US you can have an account with Chase, that comes with a Visa card, despite the fact that Visa is a subsidiary product of Bank of America.

So when your original point was on being upset over an assumption of the purpose of this was contingent on effectively "I don't get it because adults can get real cards" It becomes important to understand why just because you have an "real" credit card does not by default mean that you will have the capacity to utilize it where you wish.

From GOG perspective, it falls to one of the oldest and golden rules of commerce. The easier you make it for customers to buy from you will result in customers buying from you more as well as more customers buying from you. Even if those customers are poor kids as you seemingly take umbrage with. Just because GOG is for doing something to help their customers, there is no rational reason to get upset because it does not apply in your personal circumstances.
Post edited December 05, 2013 by viranimus
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Orlim: Thank you for citing this issue.
I am still baffled. I am a dual citizen of the US and Germany and have accounts in both countries. I have never ever had any kind of payment issues with Chase, Bank of America, Postbank or the Sparkasse.
I was also not aware that Visa or Master were nationally supervised. They are global traders with their own fraud detection tools. I would have run in to that issue with my American MasterCard at least once, no?
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JudasIscariot: I believe it depends on the bank or institution that issued the card in question but don't take my word for it as I am no expert in these matters :)
While I am fine with using PayPal, I would much rather use my direct USA credit union debit card. Unfortunately, it's not allowed. However if I make a purchase with said debit card it get's denied and I get an automatic callback regarding a possible "fraudelent" transaction, which then lists off the last few purchases. When I then later talk to a customer service rep they are able to lift the block on the card and are able to temporarily authorize a 24 hour period where I can purchase with the card. It's a bit inconvenient, which is why I just use PayPal, which comes out of the account anyway. But less middlemen the better. Maybe some day it will work with no problem. Till then, PayPal's my best option.
Post edited December 05, 2013 by JinseiNGC224
Master has presented Dobby with paysafe! Dobby is free!
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G-Doc: No, the card is also available through many US-based retailers. You can locate an outlet near your location here.
You learn something new every day. I never heard of this card before yet according to the site, one of the places to buy them is Shop-Rite supermarkets, which is where I do my food shopping. I'm happy with using PayPal, but as others said, more options is not a bad thing.
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Orlim: Not too happy about GoG.com deciding to add this payment method to their list.

1) It is gift card like. Meaning you tend to give away money for no return.
2) It caters to a low income niche population. Yes you jobless kiddos and folks with more than three maxed out credit cards are low income.

Visa and Master are available world wide. Germany, U.S. to India and further. I don't see the point in this.
You call yourself "GoG" and now attempt to cater to minors who happen to grab moms or dads cash?

I'm sorry I have to be so negative about it.
Please offer me a good argument to actually persuade me to believe that this is a reputable move.
I'm fairly certain that the majority of the "population" you are referring to, would pirate the damned game before going through the process you have described to make a purchase with these cards.

It's a good option for the people that need them and it's good that GOG has opened themselves to this option of payment IMO.
Post edited December 05, 2013 by the_bard
Never heard of these before today... Strange really.

However one of the places I go shopping for groceries around here is the Food Lion, and we have those as well as WilcoHess stores / gas stations around here, so yeah, looks like I have a few more options if I need 'em.
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The-Business: Thank you for adding this payment option, it will allow youths and people which usually don't do international purchases to buy games here. Be aware that users from Germany are currently not allowed to use more than one Paysafecard (due to money laundry regulations, iirc) and so have to send remaining money from the card to theirs bank accounts.

But I have a question about the payment price: Some competitors (e.g. GOG without the O) charge an additional fee for using Paysafecard (e.g. 5%). Will you also do that or not? I can't see any indication for an additional fee at checkout.

For other people interested: Paysafecard charges 2.00% as fee for a purchase if the currency is dollar (like on GOG) and the Paysafecard is in euro.
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lugum: From what i heard GOG pays the fees for paypal. so that might happen in this case too.
I always purchase through Paypal on GOG for convenience. I've never been charge any extra fees - only the game price. This leads me to believe that you are correct in this.
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JMich: Small correction.
This is a Cypress.
This is Cyprus.
But Cypresses do grow on Cyprus, right? :P
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Tarhiel: But Cypresses do grow on Cyprus, right? :P
I think so, but I don't think they let them handle money.
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