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tinyE: I was an English Lit major vick, and a good one. Enjoying Disney movies is not a sign of one's level of education
Hell no, that's for sure! ;)
I'm in NO WAY better than those dudes, bear that in mind. See, that's one issue when discussing stuff on the web. Common deal, no worries on that, man. Had my Disney share with Cold Shadow and all ;D

But I find somehow "frightening" when nowadays grownups in here/some other societies usually tend to demonize ya when you're clearly not into these type of flicks and tend to criticize the way our fellow morolf did.
I mean, it's that same old machiavellian relations portrayed in there; these movies are clearly "adopted" by -that's how he call 'em in here: kangaroo generation- adults who didn't want to leave or couldn't flee their folks nest and are somehow like pariah-esque folks, I mean, trying to live that regular joe adult life mixed with their internal child etc etc. Won't get to deep into that. I'm no psychologist :P

As for the kid me, and I say it personally, I was always (and still am, now that I have my own kids) into Dilbert, local 60s comics, books about fauna and flora, Lucky Luke, dictionaries, Tin Tin, Asterix, Where's Waldo and a ton more; but, thanks to mom, the exact same "kid me" was also into movies such as (no joke) The Last of the Mohicans, Ba wang bie ji, Babette's Feast, Solaris, Pelle the Conqueror, Like Water for Chocolate and the list goes on and on.

Weird, I know.

That's how my "inner child" kinda gathered all these remarkable (for me! :P) comics and flicks and set the tone for who I am today. Don't really know if these Disney flicks will somehow shape one's (an adult) way of seeing things or, better yet, improve it in any way but hey, that's just me!
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vicklemos: But I find somehow "frightening" when nowadays grownups in here/some other societies usually tend to demonize ya when you're clearly not into these type of flicks and tend to criticize the way our fellow morolf did.
That's because he's not just criticizing movies he's never watched, and books he's never read, but he's also saying people should feel ashamed of the things they like, the way he clearly is of the things he likes.

That makes him wrong.
Post edited June 20, 2016 by DaCostaBR
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qwixter: I am kind of tired of people complaining about SJW, PC, and such things.
If only there were good things to say about them, eh? :P
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DaCostaBR: That makes him wrong.
Well he might by wrong about some stuff. As usual, the way some tend to speak out their minds might clearly be misunderstood online.
But I gotta agree with him when he say there's something -good/bad, ain't for me to decide- happening in terms of infantilization of some folks out there. That's pretty solid. These movies play a major role in this case, can say it personally.

I might be wrong, as usual, and I'm not saying to "victimize" myself. But I think it's at least kinda odd when you're like in your mid 30s and never read something "wild" like (l-i-k-e) King Leopold's Ghost but read the entire (that's just an example! ;P) Harry Potter books..
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qwixter: I am kind of tired of people complaining about SJW, PC, and such things.
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MaximumBunny: If only there were good things to say about them, eh? :P
I miss the time when "PC" stood for "Personal Computer"
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Sabin_Stargem: If I remember rightly, they have various subsidiaries to help mask their relationship to any given product that wouldn't be appropriate for the main label. Pretty much keeps the common soccer mom off the street from waving a pitchfork at Mr. D's legacy.
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Rusty_Gunn: maybe, but how is Disney "protected" from the soccer moms when it looks like the attached image?
Princess Mononoke was brought westside in 1999 by Miramax Films, who was owned by Disney at the time. Standards for what is acceptable have changed since then, including a whole new generation of soccer moms who watched Pokemon in their youth.

Of course, this means that some other thing is now controversial and would go under another label to be protected. Deadpool, for example. Which was made by Marvel Entertainment, which belongs to Disney in turn.
Good point, although you must admit there is SOME validity to their complaints about lacking diversity.

Think about it: how many copies of Freddi Fish 2 got a leading role in a big budget movie in the past 20 years?
That's right, zero. Truly, this is why copies of Freddi Fish 2 are being driven out of the Pajama Sam-dominated industry.
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morolf: Everything you said.
Personally, I think your mindset perfectly shows what is wrong with the German education system, where Goethe and Schiller and the like are being elevated above everything else, and where people from an early age get the idea rammed down their throats that any entertainment that does not teach you something is bad entertainment. (Nothing against you personally.)

I remember an old colleague who looked at me like I was an alien when I told him that I read fantasy because in his narrow world only the German classics were good literature. And I remember a date I once had where the girl told me that she basically believed that things like Spongebob are ruining our children, not being able to wrap her mind around the idea that you sometimes just want to have some silly fun, and that this is totally fine, especially if you’re a kid.

It’s sometimes hard to find an adult who you can have a talk about deep things with and who at the same time doesn’t have a stick up their butt. I can go from genuinely discussing philosophical and psychological matters to laughing about Homer Simpson falling down into a canyon and back again within seconds. My experience is, that people who can be deliberately serious or deliberately silly whenever they choose to, usually have a better grip on the deeper meanings of life than anyone else.

(All that being said, I don’t like these new animation movies, but the reason for that has more to do with an emotional dissonance that I experience regarding the visuals, which always feel cold to me, no matter how heart-warming the characters and the story. I very much prefer the hand-drawn visual style.)
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morolf: Everything you said.
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Falkenherz: Personally, I think your mindset perfectly shows what is wrong with the German education system, where Goethe and Schiller and the like are being elevated above everything else, and where people from an early age get the idea rammed down their throats that any entertainment that does not teach you something is bad entertainment. (Nothing against you personally.)
Don't know where you got your impression of the German education system...when I went to school, our teacher allowed a vote whether we wanted to read Goethe's Faustus or just watch a movie based on it...you can imagine how that turned out :-))) And that was back in 2001, since then the system has probably become even more dumbed down.
And I'm not a big fan of German obscurantist desire for "profundity"...I don't read Heidegger or the like :-))))
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morolf: our teacher allowed a vote whether we wanted to read Goethe's Faustus or just watch a movie based on it
I don’t really see much of an educational difference here, although I understand why one would choose watching the movie over the book ;-) I read Goethe’s Faust, and so far I can say that it neither added any relevant value to my life nor was it particularly entertaining. Knowing what and how people wrote several hundred years ago has a rather narrow benefit, except of course if you are interested in it, which most teenagers probably aren’t. But that was before 2001. Maybe it has changed and now they teach you actual useful things like how our healthcare system works and how to do your taxes–you know, things that are relevant to 99,9% of all students, not just those that go on to study literature.

All I can say is that I learned more about the world and life in just the five years right after school than I did in school itself. School did not much to prepare me for these lessons, some of which were rather harsh. But I made it and came out stronger. Funny thing is, that I earn my money with literature today, but the overlap with my school lessons is tiny. The only thing that was actually useful in that regard was learning how to read and write. I can’t remember anyone asking me after my quantum physics and my cell biology knowlege ever since I left school.

See, now you made me sound like I’m a grumpy guy and have a stick up my butt myself. But I was the class clown back in school and still am the family clown today. Really.
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Falkenherz: I don’t really see much of an educational difference here, although I understand why one would choose watching the movie over the book ;-) I read Goethe’s Faust, and so far I can say that it neither added any relevant value to my life nor was it particularly entertaining. Knowing what and how people wrote several hundred years ago has a rather narrow benefit, except of course if you are interested in it, which most teenagers probably aren’t. But that was before 2001. Maybe it has changed and now they teach you actual useful things like how our healthcare system works and how to do your taxes–you know, things that are relevant to 99,9% of all students, not just those that go on to study literature.

All I can say is that I learned more about the world and life in just the five years right after school than I did in school itself. School did not much to prepare me for these lessons, some of which were rather harsh. But I made it and came out stronger. Funny thing is, that I earn my money with literature today, but the overlap with my school lessons is tiny. The only thing that was actually useful in that regard was learning how to read and write. I can’t remember anyone asking me after my quantum physics and my cell biology knowlege ever since I left school.

See, now you made me sound like I’m a grumpy guy and have a stick up my butt myself. But I was the class clown back in school and still am the family clown today. Really.
Note to self: when in need of knowledge with either quantum physics or cell biology, PM Falkenherz
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morolf: our teacher allowed a vote whether we wanted to read Goethe's Faustus or just watch a movie based on it
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Falkenherz: Maybe it has changed and now they teach you actual useful things like how our healthcare system works and how to do your taxes–you know, things that are relevant to 99,9% of all students, not just those that go on to study literature.
That's a pretty narrow view of what education is for...not saying everything in the traditional system was fine, but basing everything on criteria like "relevance" (so we can all become obedient little cogs in the machine?)...nah.
Post edited June 20, 2016 by morolf
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Falkenherz: Maybe it has changed and now they teach you actual useful things like how our healthcare system works and how to do your taxes–you know, things that are relevant to 99,9% of all students, not just those that go on to study literature.
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morolf: That's a pretty narrow view of what education is for...not saying everything in the traditional system was fine, but basing everything on criteria like "relevance" (so we can all become obedient little cogs in the machine?)...nah.
I’m not saying that they should scrap all the old content and only teach real life basics instead. Some basic knowledge in history, literature, biology, physics, math, and so on to understand how the world works and to help one find the field of expertise that one could imagine oneself to work in later is important. But halfing the amount of classics you have to read and instead tell you something about the status quo of the systems of our society can’t be wrong. Sure, you can ask your parents, but their knowlegde in those regards is as limited as the box they themselves live in.
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morolf: That's a pretty narrow view of what education is for...not saying everything in the traditional system was fine, but basing everything on criteria like "relevance" (so we can all become obedient little cogs in the machine?)...nah.
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Falkenherz: I’m not saying that they should scrap all the old content and only teach real life basics instead. Some basic knowledge in history, literature, biology, physics, math, and so on to understand how the world works and to help one find the field of expertise that one could imagine oneself to work in later is important. But halfing the amount of classics you have to read and instead tell you something about the status quo of the systems of our society can’t be wrong. Sure, you can ask your parents, but their knowlegde in those regards is as limited as the box they themselves live in.
If you put it like that, I can sort of agree....though I don't recall having read that many classics in school (but neither did I learn much of practical use there :-)
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Yeshu: Disney is making a movie set in the Hawaiian culture and mythos about a "princess" going on a journey to find a legendary warrior named Maui, voiced by Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson which is pretty awesome!

However, the Internet managed to kill my interest in the movie as well as made me avoid any articles about it. How you might ask? Two words: SJW and radical feminists.

It's basically the same situation as with Frozen. People are shiting there collective panties on how "progressive" and diverse the movie will be. The main female lead is dark skin and has a much more muscle build, which makes sense considering the setting but people wont shot up on how revolutionary this is even though Disney had like "princesses" from China, Native North America and even a black girl from New Orleans.

The hype machine is on full throttle, feeding the tumbler hordes with self smugness and it's unbearable. Seriously am I just unlucky to stumble upon these things?

PS. Speaking of Frozen, is the whole "give Elsa a girlfriend" still a thing?
Don't pay the attention to the village idiots they want. It really does not matter what Studios will do. If its, according to your description, a physically strong female character the doofusses rage as do they will if its the damsel in distress. Not only do they not know what they want they are either too stupid to accept that women are different** or have some kind of malevolent agenda to discriminate that woman are different.

**fun fact: Women are different from men! Some asshole assumes that makes their rights different or see it as an excuse to treat them badly. So called SJWs are part of that problem.
Post edited June 20, 2016 by anothername