Posted December 18, 2020

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Posted December 18, 2020



teceem
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Registered: Apr 2013
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Posted December 18, 2020

Also, as long as you don't have a local copy of a game, it isn't really DRM-free.

If I "lost" the GOG servers, then I'd have the backups on my HDD. If I lost the HDD, then I'd redownload them from the GOG servers.
If you lose the GOG servers and discover that there's something wrong with that one HDD, you lose one/multiple/all games. Sure, something can go wrong with multiple local drives too - but at least you're spreading the risk.

AB2012
Registered: Sep 2014
From United Kingdom
Posted December 18, 2020
I've no idea what the reason for the overly sarcastic response was but neither myself nor alexandros050 were promoting some mad download rush of what you're "replying" to. My first words in this thread were the literal exact opposite : "If you back them up as you buy, download & play them, the effort is virtually unnoticeable"...

teceem
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Registered: Apr 2013
From Belgium
Posted December 18, 2020
It can happen to any 'file' on the internet.
Or better yet: make "addon language packs", so that if somebody wants 2 languages they don't have to download the main game twice.
Or better yet: make "addon language packs", so that if somebody wants 2 languages they don't have to download the main game twice.
Post edited December 18, 2020 by teceem

timppu
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Registered: Jun 2011
From Finland
Posted December 18, 2020

I have some confidence in S.M.A.R.T. and such though, telling me beforehand if the hard drive is starting to fail. I recall only one incidence in like 25 years where I've lost a hard drive "just like that" without any forewarning. In all other cases there have been some symptoms for which reason I've backed up all the files from the hard drive elsewhere.
For instance, I currently have my GOG game installers divided into a 5TB and 2TB USB HDDs, and the latter (which is many many years old already) has started giving some warning signs, so I am in the process of replacing it, and I have actually already copied all the files from it to another 2TB HDD for now, just in case. SMART still shows green for that 2TB USB HDD and generally it seems to work ok and even running full checkdisk or reformatting it finds no problems (and all the files on it still pass integrity check), but SOMETIMES e.g. Windows reports it has no free space (while it has like 700GB free), and sometimes I've been able to unmount it in Windows, so I take those as signs that it may be failing soon. Dunno, better safe than sorry.
When it comes to more advanced technologies like RAID for backup purposes, I am actually more interested in bitrot-resistant filesystems like BTRFS and OpenZFS. I already have one test system with BTRFS running so for now I am concentrating to it instead of OpenZFS. They both have RAID-like features as well, without needing any RAID controllers or hardware.
The only problem is that they are more for Linux and BSD at the moment, but there are some drivers for Windows as well, I haven't tried them yet. Maybe I'll go with dual backup system that the main backup is using BTRFS in Linux, and the secondary backup is NTFS (so that I can more easily access it from Windows).

Humble Bundle store has offered that option for many years already, so apparently it is quite doable.
That would alleviate the problem of causing stress to GOG download servers where everyone would download everything separetely... when they would actually be mainly downloading the installers from each other.
One can always dream... I bet many would also get much better download speeds that way, than they currently get from GOG servers.
Post edited December 18, 2020 by timppu

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timppu
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Registered: Jun 2011
From Finland
Posted December 18, 2020

I routinely do check my backups (data integrity) that everything is still fine on them. That is the main reason I am so interested in more advanced file systems like BTRFS and OpenZFS, as they do their best to make sure data stays safe (barring hardware problems or misplacing your hard drive(s)).
Post edited December 18, 2020 by timppu

NovusBogus
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Registered: Dec 2011
From United States
Posted December 18, 2020
I'm of the opinion that if you're not keeping offline backups, you're not really living the DRM-free life. Log cabins and suchlike. I do have a few outdated ones that could stand to be updated though, and probably one or two backlog games that I never got around to picking up.

Merranvo
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Registered: Dec 2012
From United States
Posted December 18, 2020


I have some confidence in S.M.A.R.T. and such though, telling me beforehand if the hard drive is starting to fail. I recall only one incidence in like 25 years where I've lost a hard drive "just like that" without any forewarning. In all other cases there have been some symptoms for which reason I've backed up all the files from the hard drive elsewhere.
For instance, I currently have my GOG game installers divided into a 5TB and 2TB USB HDDs, and the latter (which is many many years old already) has started giving some warning signs, so I am in the process of replacing it, and I have actually already copied all the files from it to another 2TB HDD for now, just in case. SMART still shows green for that 2TB USB HDD and generally it seems to work ok and even running full checkdisk or reformatting it finds now problems (and all the files on it still pass integrity check), but SOMETIMES e.g. Windows reports it has no free space (while it has like 700GB free), and sometimes I've been able to unmount it in Windows, so I take those as signs that it may be failing soon. Dunno, better safe than sorry.
When it comes to more advanced technologies like RAID for backup purposes, I am actually more interested in bitrot-resistant filesystems like BTRFS and OpenZFS. I already have one test system with BTRFS running so for now I am concentrating to it instead of OpenZFS. They both have RAID-like features as well, without needing any RAID controllers or hardware.
The only problem is that they are more for Linux and BSD at the moment, but there are some drivers for Windows as well, I haven't tried them yet. Maybe I'll go with dual backup system that the main backup is using BTRFS, and the secondary backup is NTFS (so that I can more easily access it from Windows).

NovusBogus
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Registered: Dec 2011
From United States
Posted December 18, 2020
I've been keeping mine on a 2TB external, but just got a 4TB in the mail because I ran out of space. It was, ironically enough, a combination of CP2077 and needing somewhere to stash a VM export that prompted the upgrade. That game is a big boi, no two ways about it!

clarry
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Registered: Feb 2014
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Posted December 18, 2020

I once had a two-terabyte (or so) RAID 1 setup. One day, one of the drives lost power (bad PSU). So I fixed the PSU, started the machine again, and due to corruption, had to start a rebuild. During the rebuild, I decided to check the smart status of the other drive (there had been no errors or advance notification of any issues in the past).. and that is when that drive started throwing errors & timing out commands. End result, both drives offline in the middle of a rebuild.
Post edited December 18, 2020 by clarry

timppu
Favorite race: Formula__One
Registered: Jun 2011
From Finland
Posted December 18, 2020

Usually at that point I realize I might have had some valid reason to keep an older installer around, it is already too late, I've already updated the local backups. And generally I just trust that newer installers are better.
That reminds me that e.g. BTRFS filesystem could possibly help with this problem as well, as it generally doesn't overwrite files, as it is a Copy on Write filesystem. So if you suddenly realized that you would have wanted to keep the old version of some installer, it might still be possible to go back to it.

teceem
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Registered: Apr 2013
From Belgium
Posted December 18, 2020

I once had a two-terabyte (or so) RAID 1 setup. One day, one of the drives lost power (bad PSU). So I fixed the PSU, started the machine again, and due to corruption, had to start a rebuild. During the rebuild, I decided to check the smart status of the other drive (there had been no errors or advance notification of any issues in the past).. and that is when that drive started throwing errors & timing out commands. End result, both drives offline in the middle of a rebuild.
Did the drive just lose power or was it some kind of power surge? I've disconnected the power (or the grid is down) to my PCs many times and I've never had any issues...
Post edited December 18, 2020 by teceem