Wow. Were we watching the same show?

Did you watch Game of Thrones? IMHO the first season of GoT seemed much more excessive and gratuitous.

I was moreso surprised by some sword fights that ended with no blood drawn whatsoever. That seemed very strange to me... especially since I was watching this at the same time as Vikings season 6.

Yeah as much as I eyeroll over America's fear of boobs, Game of Thrones season one actually did have some really over the top and silly nude scenes. Most obviously the one where two chicks have sex while Littlefinger talks about his life, it came across so weirdly exhibitionist. I'm glad they toned it down a little after that, though still never shied away.

Introduction of Tyrion Lannister.. in the book when we first meet him, he is in the library, reading. in the tv series, he is in a whore house...

There used to be a good Saturday Night Live sketch on exactly these things (I expect you know that). Can't seem to find it now.

(this: https://andysambergstan.tumblr.com/post/183339315845/hbo-first-look-game-of-thrones-andy-on-snl-adam) It's not as available as it used to be.

You can filter it out with vidangel. They have the first 2 episodes done with the rest coming soon.

Pretty much all Netflix shows are smutty, Americans in general are disgusting degenerates.

P.S. why is everyone so rude to people asking for less sexuality in their media?

Some have intense pornography addictions and sensual scenes can trigger them.
Some people feel ashamed for wanting someone"better" than their spouse and want to not feel that way.
Some people read about how most actresses are pressured into sexualized roles and feel embarrassed or ashamed for having done then.
Some people have spouses, roommates, or other family members who don't want to see certain content

Why is it always the false dichotomy of violence and sex that is used to attack anyone looking to see if there is a way to censor content or to voice a complaint about content?

There are many who also filter the violence and the sex. And swearing. And boring parts. And JarJar Binks. And the credits. "How dare they not watch the credits but also watch an intense scene of two people they don't know making love!" you ask. And the answer is: it's their prerogative. We are free to look what we like and not what we don't. Why sit and judge a stranger over a porn addiction or a lustful eye when instead you could be supportive and helpful?

The next time someone says they don't want to see gore or rape or sex, consider trauma, disease, or boundaries. You know it's not prudish to turn one's eyes away from strangers having sex. It's only common decency. Some people feel the same way when it's in their living room, even if they're alone.


In our defense, I know a ton of people leaving Netflix for that very reason.

Then "some people" shouldn't watch the show that contains things that "trigger" them. There are things in modern media that make *me* feel embarraced or uncomfortable, and yet when I say about that I'm berated and chastisized by people like you, who think that all moral standards should be drawn to one common denominator of "human decency".

I almost stopped watching Game of Thrones because of the insane amount of nudity. Not that I'm strictly against any kind of nudity in mainstream media, but... what Game of Thrones did in the first season was just too much in my eyes :/

The nudity in The Witcher didn't really bother me. That Stregobor scene gave me a small "WtF?!" moment, but the scene didn't really focus on all the nudity. It was just the background (even slightly blurred) for Geralt's own "WtF?!" expression. I even found it quite funny when Geralt made the same face that I made ;)

And yes, there were quite a few scenes with bare breasts in other episodes, but that didn't bother me at all. As a dude from Europe I grew up with bare breasts in shower gel and deodorant TV ads. Back in the 90s we didn't have a single commercial break without breasts in it.

That's what he's saying. He really wanted to like it, but it contained content he was uncomfortable with. Instead of being antiAmericanor mocking him, sure compassion.

I understand that hurt people hurt people. And people mocking you is also unacceptable behavior. But being hurt is certainly no reason to hurt someone else.

What's great about media is that we have fast forward buttons and we have censors and filters that can help.

Vudu and VidAngel have those set up for most popular movies and TV shows.

On this planet, we have a lot of folks. We have tons of perspectives. Human decency, religious code, legal code, internal code, experience with action and consequence, etc. You know that, I'm not saying anything new. But giving some grace for folks is what personal communication usually requires and what we all long for in Internet communication.

I hope that what you feel embarrassed or chastised about is something that you've been able to talk about with someone who shows kindness. I'm sure plenty of rudeness is out there. I assure you it wasn't anyone "like me." I don't carry myself like that.




I remember busting Mexico in the 90s with my parents and seeing nude women on billboard ads outside. I thought it was a bit much.

Later, I checked out some comics and they were very different from my American comics. No color, and very sexually explicit. Superman did things I didn't know were things to Lois. My folks didn't let me keep it. I would have been famous at school. :-p

Interestingly enough, this particular scene actually WAS in the books. Unlike many other scenes and plot points.

I definitely wouldn't look for kindness on the Internet.

Then I apoligise if I musjudged you. It's just people who chasticised me for my opinion also invoked term "common decency" as a reason why I should shut up.

I know. It's just that I don't really expect to see something like that in mainstream media. Which is a bit weird since I'm from Germany, where there's at least one scene containing full frontal nudity in like 50% of our movies (it became less during the last decade). There's Tatort for example, a crime scene series running for almost 50 years already. It became kinda famous among kids in the 80s and 90s, for having a nude woman in every single episode.

Or the BRAVO magazine, which was REALLY weird... The BRAVO is a youth magazine with a strong focus on music, TV and... sexuality. It had a section called "That's Me", where teenagers came to BRAVO's photo studio, got a remote control release in their hands and took a nude selfie that was published (together with an "how was your first sex"-kind of interview) in the magazine. Minimum age for that was 14! Fourteen years! [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bravo_(magazine)#Depictions_of_child_nudity]And I'm NOT shitting you![/url] (<- GOG doesn't seem to like brackets in links) I don't know how that was legal (it was/is). I don't know if That's Me still exists. I don't even know if the BRAVO still exists...

Anyway... As a German I shouldn't find a few naked people in the background of a scene disturbing. I grew up with weirder things. But times changed. There's no more nudity in our ads and there's less nudity in mainstream TV shows and movies. It's nothing I expect to see all the time anymore. But since Game of Thrones got away with it, it seems to become a norm for international shows with a darker theme. And it's often more explicit than the kind of nuditiy we had going on in TV.

It's not really shocking me, but I often think it's a bit unnecessary and "backwards". I just don't see the reason for something as the GoT S1-amount of nudity. What was shown in The Witcher was perfecly fine for me, though. Most of the times it did help the scene. Okay, maybe Yennefer's transformation would've worked without showing her breasts, but it wasn't THAT distracting (or even sexual in any way). But I do question if there's really a need to put some nudity in every new series/movie just for the sake of showing nudity. I'm a huge fan of the older US shows where you got that people were naked/having sex without showing their genitals. That always worked great for me.
We had those too in Germany. But they vanished pretty quickly.

Your (the US) comic industry had some kind of meeting when it started growing. I don't remember the details but they agreed on what to show and what to censor in their comics. They did that to prevent some kind of governmental constraints iirc. I didn't know that there are different Superman comics for other markets, though... Sounds more like "Flesh Gordon" to me ;P

I remember one in particular because of its location. It was on a Litfaßsäule (an advertising pillar), standing inbetween a playground and a secondary school, visible from everywhere. The text on it was so small and few that I can't possibly remember what it even was about, giving the nude woman more space on the ad so she was clearly visible even from large distances.

But it's gotten better, by which I mean: I haven't seen a full frontal nudity ad in a long time, nowadays they wear at least sparse underwear.

I'm bored by both unnessecary brutality and sexualized content in movies. By unnessecary I mean that it doesn't press ahead with the story. I can't enjoy most action movies because of their meager story lines. What's interesting about Tom Cruise kicking into the face of some background actor for five minutes? Or the splatter in many horror movies? Or the detective in a crime thriller having sex with minor characters in four different flavours? Give me a nice plot and at least somewhat interesting dialogues and I'm happy. That's why I'll prefer something like Oxford Murders or some old Columbo clips over alternatives like these Netflies series. And if brutality or sexuality is part of the plot, keep it at reasonable levels instead of celebrating it and I won't complain.

I feel you're missing their point. Most of us, I think the OP included, were looking forward to this series, we didn't want to turn over to something else, or watch an edit, we wanted to watch and enjoy this. The point I think that you've missed is not that they dislike the smut, it's that they felt it was delivered at cost to the quality of the overall series. I can see some mileage with this argument. Some of the scenes I watched and the nudity wasn't "part of the scene" it felt more like it "was the scene". During those (the wizard house, and Yennifer's mansion) I didn't gain anything from those scenes, instead it served to break the immersion and make me snap away to think "oh this is for the GoT lot".

To be clear, it's not puritanism or a hatred of smut that I think anyone is getting at here. It's the quality of the series, and how the perceived "need" to include nudity felt forced and damaging to that quality.

EDIT: for grammer and clarity