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nightcraw1er.488: True, but you don’t have to get updates, and you can wait a bit and get the gold or complete release later. In fact, the main downside with the PS4 is it’s limited, my ultra wide gsync is totally wasted on the hd only output from the PS4. But, if it’s a choice between that and uplay then it’s simple.
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StingingVelvet: I think a lot of games require day one updates to really work well nowadays, and of course a ton of games are digital only. Even ignoring all that though, the fact console games are tied to specific hardware is pretty much just as concerning to me as PC DRM is anyway. Especially since PC DRM can easily be circumvented when necessary.
You forgot to mention the console only main story drm for some games that will likely be lost for years if not longer(if not ported to new systems over time) once the servers that allow it to be DLd go down for older consoles & people lose their locally stored copies due to console malfunction/etc.
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fronzelneekburm: As for the topic: I know a lot of people don't want to hear this, but Steam DOES offer quite a number of DRM-free games (including HL1 Source, HL2...
Don't feel like verifying right now, but if true, it's ironic since Steam was CREATED as DRM for HL2.
I find it kind of hilarious that it's not against any rules using GOG's forum to discuss better alternatives to their own services. It's either dumb or brave of them.

As suggested, Humble Bundle has some DRM-free alternatives.
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fronzelneekburm: As for the topic: I know a lot of people don't want to hear this, but Steam DOES offer quite a number of DRM-free games (including HL1 Source, HL2...
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paladin181: Don't feel like verifying right now, but if true, it's ironic since Steam was CREATED as DRM for HL2.
Believe me, it is. And yes, ironic indeed.

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DadJoke007: I find it kind of hilarious that it's not against any rules using GOG's forum to discuss better alternatives to their own services. It's either dumb or brave of them.
That's actually one of the things I really appreciate about gog. Threads like this also provide gog with invaluable insight into what people don't like about their service/what their users think other storefronts do better and how they could improve our own storefront.
Any of those drm-free alternatives offer paysafecard as payment?
Because by now i only used it on Steam and GOG but yes steam is no longer an option until i get a new pc(which is unknown when).
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fronzelneekburm: As for the topic: I know a lot of people don't want to hear this, but Steam DOES offer quite a number of DRM-free games (including HL1 Source, HL2...
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paladin181: Don't feel like verifying right now, but if true, it's ironic since Steam was CREATED as DRM for HL2.
Why do you need to verify? There's been a thread on GOG for years on the topic.
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fronzelneekburm: As for the topic: I know a lot of people don't want to hear this, but Steam DOES offer quite a number of DRM-free games (including HL1 Source, HL2...
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paladin181: Don't feel like verifying right now, but if true, it's ironic since Steam was CREATED as DRM for HL2.
Steam was created as a distribution and community platform. Their DRM system (CEG) came later.
Will you also bring your conquest diary to their forum as well?

Just kidding of course.
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muddysneakers: Which of these Fireflower games are actually good and not on GOG? I browsed and found nothing I wanted that I didn't already own or couldn't get here.

For that matter Crytivo, Zoom, and Humble store too. I've looked at their DRM free listings and I'm not too impressed. What are some games that are worth my time?
If you're into experimental/meta stuff I can recommend The Stanley Parable and The Beginner's Guide. Also "Everything" (which is sadly not on GOG any more) and Silence of the Sleep are good games. Granted, many of those games are not for everyone, and probably "too niche" for GOG.
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darthspudius: Why do you need to verify? There's been a thread on GOG for years on the topic.
Verify that HL 2 was DRM free actually.
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paladin181: Don't feel like verifying right now, but if true, it's ironic since Steam was CREATED as DRM for HL2.
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Maighstir: Steam was created as a distribution and community platform. Their DRM system (CEG) came later.
Steam have two "layers" of DRM - the basic Steamworks client check that's been there since Half Life 2 (2004) and CEG (Custom Executable Generation) that was added as a second optional layer in 2009. The extremely primitive Steam (2004) at the time was indeed little more than a DRM wrapper for HL2 though (with a huge amount of negative sentiment at the time), and many of Steam's social / community features only came years after this (eg, cloud functionality was only added in 2009, user reviews added only in 2013, etc).

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paladin181: Verify that HL 2 was DRM free actually.
It wasn't originally DRM-Free back in 2004 but the DRM has since been removed but not for all Valve games. Eg, HL1 (Source), HL2 and Portal 1 are "portable" & DRM-Free but other Valve games like HL1 (non-Source) and Portal 2 are still DRM'd and refuse to start without the client.
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darthspudius: Why do you need to verify? There's been a thread on GOG for years on the topic.
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paladin181: Verify that HL 2 was DRM free actually.
Thanks to a gift card I received as a b-day present, I can confirm that HL2, Both Episodes, Lost Coast, HL1 Source, and Portal 1 are all DRM free on Steam.
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StingingVelvet: Believe it or not, most games on the Epic Games Store are DRM free. Or at least, they don't require the client at all and can be backed up in a DRM free zip. You just need to install the client to download them.
Is there a maintained list anywhere of what games are and are not DRM free on the Epic store?
Post edited September 28, 2019 by ReynardFox
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ReynardFox: Thanks to a gift card I received as a b-day present, I can confirm that HL2, Both Episodes, Lost Coast, HL1 Source, and Portal 1 are all DRM free on Steam. Is there a maintained list anywhere of what games are and are not DRM free on the Epic store?
I could confirm, I just didn't feel like installing the game again. :P
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Fonzer: Any of those drm-free alternatives offer paysafecard as payment?
Sadly, no. Rules them all out for me too.
Of course, since I'll definitely never see anything requiring a client for anything as DRM-free and the other requirement is also not having regional pricing (or at least none with prices above base), the only ones I ever considered were Shinyloot (which has vanished as a store for years), Zoom (which is basically inactive, and never has sales that I know of) and itch (which afaik at the moment still doesn't have regional pricing, just allowing devs to specify the currency for the price, but saw a post by them not long ago saying that introducing it is a priority, with more payment options maybe being considered after that, but at that point I won't care anymore, not unless I'll have some tools like I do for GOG to be able to check each game's pricing matrix at least).
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fronzelneekburm: IIRC, their client has no DRM of its own, so unless the publisher implements its own DRM, games on the Epic Store are DRM-free.
No, that's not true. Developers can make the games invoke the client to do a basic "is the game on this account" check, much like the lowest level Steam DRM. Like Steam, as far as I know even that is optional, so the devs can put DRM-free games on there if they want.