To do that you have to be quite resistant to boredom. I always skipped Genealogy. Sooo boring! ... But the rest of the bible can be quite interesting to read. Especially the old testament. (Blood, violence, incest, rape, polygamy and a very nasty, unfair god)



Thankssss!

What would those desert maniac religions be without it? ;)
Although I prefer the ancient Greek stuff when it comes to such things, way more creative.

I threw a classical English lit ref at you and you dropped the ball. :P No wonder we get along so well. :D

Rings a bell... was this what they argued about in the island of the wise or whatever it was called in Jonathan Swift's Gulliver?

Yeah, you got it. Honestly it's been 20 years since I touched that book and I was never really fond of the writing style but I always liked the story and the satire.

Cool, I read books too! Clifford the big red dog. The book, that teacheded me english.

As usual he's spot on but you don't have to be half as smart as him to see the problem. It was truly depressing how the media wilted en masse after the Hebdo shootings.Better to capitulate to the worlds most easily offended religion than stand up for fellow journalists who had been murdered.

2 new terror attacks against freedom of speech, fresh this weekend:

2 people shot dead and 5 wounded in Copenhagen by single gunman. First shooting at a cafe holding an event about free speech & Islam and a second shooting outside a Jewish synagogue. Victims: a Danish documentary filmmaker in the first shooting and a Jewish security guard outside the Krystalgade synagogue. I could stop it right here as it's blatantly obvious what's going on.

http://news.yahoo.com/reports-shots-fired-copenhagen-cafe-free-speech-event-154414264.html

Interesting how the chicken press and other mentally challenged people were quick to condemn the recent Chapel Hill shooting of 3 students as a hate crime against Muslims even though the investigation was ongoing and police said the motive was disputed but in the case of the Copenhagen shootings this weekend, I found no mention whatsoever of the gunman being Muslim, not in any of the mainstream news articles. People keep saying there are double standards against Muslims, well there's plenty of double standards in favor of them and these are particularly poignant examples. A case of simple logic, something many people struggle with. The Danish police managed to shoot the gunman so naturally they can't question him but his identity is known to them.
Theoretically, it could be a pure coincidence that he shot up a free speech event at which Islam was a topic, and theoretically it could be a coincidence that he shot a Jewish security guy outside a synagogue. I mean, maaaaybe he just had a random bad day and decided to shoot random people so it's "just" someone going postal and no terror attack, right...?
You'll say I can't even know if the gunman was a Muslim, well that's technically correct. However, if I'm willing to bet money on it, I'm sure no one would dare to bet against me. In fact, I'll make a giveaway here if the guy was not a Muslim.

edit: as expected, the gunman was a Muslim. His name was Omar Abdel Hamid and he had a criminal record with a history of gang violence.


Anyway, "what does that have to do with Muhammad Sex Simulator 2015?" you ask, well it has everything to do with it.

You'll say, "things like this evil game are causing nice moderate Muslims to become extremists", well here's my logic argument against that:

When a Muslim commits a terror attack, you say it's not religion that kills but people.
And when a Muslim kills a cartoonist, you say it's the cartoonist's fault for causing provocation and he reaped what he sowed.
So on one hand it's people that kill because they are bad and not religion, and on the other hand it's offense that's to blame but not the bad people who do the killing?

Right? Wrong. If you can't see the logical fallacy in this, I can't help you as I can't put it in any simpler terms.
The danger isn't people who offend, it's people who do the violence and people who enable them by cowering in fear and appeasing them, which you should well know is proven to not work. Source: History of humankind.

"You" = anyone who feels addressed by it, basically anyone not sharing my opinion :P

I said I'm done with this thread unless anyone wants to join my own self-made religion which is in the making as we speak but this new terrorist attack against freedom of speech has reinforced my conviction that even if I'm too tired to bother debating in this thread because it costs me too much time and doesn't challenge me enough, this thread needs to continue.
For the same reason why one doesn't pay ransom to ISIS for hostages, different case but same principle: Don't give your little finger to terrorists or they'll take the whole hand (pun intended)

I'll give a +1 to hedwards, gotta give him credit for keeping it more civil than others. My apologies for not replying to your replies, I must be honest and admit that this is like Groundhog Day to me, all the arguments brought up I've heard in the exact same form numerous times in the past (RL and internet) and I hope to be forgiven for saying that this just feels like work to me by now, and there's no mental excitement whatsoever.
And no it's not that I'm soooo super smart, it's just that I've done this enough times already and have dealt with the arguments so it's just déjà-vu, haven't received any arguments I haven't already debated in the past. The first or second time it's interesting but then it starts to become pure work, and is tiring. I might as well play some games from my backlog, even the unfun ones are more interesting.
If I see anyone making an argument that actually challenges my viewpoint I may feel motivated to reply but to do the same old discussions over and over, I admit I don't have the stamina or motivation. Sounds very arrogant and condescending but I hope that this crude but honest answer is better than faked interest in chewing threw same old.

I'll just focus on my own religion, unless other terror attacks happen in which case I'll post about them but I openly admit I'm not interested in any rehashed discussion unless a real good argument I haven't already debated is made. I've stated my case quite elaborately so it's not like it's unclear where I stand.
I'm well aware of how silly it looks when I write a wall of text explaining how I'm tired of making walls of text, however this wall of text only has to be made once and if I didn't make it then I'd have to keep arguing endlessly, I thought a little explanation is better than not replying and letting people hang out to dry.

I'm still working out the basic framework of my new religion but I've decided that there won't be any punishments, only voluntary fun challenges. And my religion will be specifically open and welcoming towards any kind of criticism and ridicule, constructive or not, of any kind. That way, my religion is automatically going to be objectively superior to virtually all existing ones.
Plus, I realized not everyone might like spicy Mexican food, and also like to point out that I'm going to copy the "whatever I said last is official" trick that Muhammad and a series of other religionmaker dudes have utilized, it's a common practice. But I'll make a framework that's s good that I won't have to adapt and cheaply change it every five minutes and is more full of contradictions than Swiss cheese has holes.

I'm well aware of that, but since my Elephantism religion is going to be 100% immune to any sort of trolling and will even encourage it because it's so immune, such easy to exploit semantic similarities won't matter. My religion will be so elephantastic, yes.

This game is going to make some people very irate, lol

Really because all this argument is doing is boring the piss out of me. :P

But why? This indie game was actually good! Even though one sided and incomplete...

Everyone should watch this, +1.

Ganesha? ;)

There'll be lots of more dead and imho too it's the fake liberals who help pulling the trigger.

Yes, out of all the mainstream deities Ganesha would indeed be the most similar to my Elephant God. Even though Ganesha isn't exclusively worshiped by Hindus, there still is the negative correlation of the caste system that could hurt the reputation of my new religion if I was to simply adopt Ganesha as the main deity. No offense to Ganesha he's pretty cool and not responsible for the caste system or anything, but I think if I choose a genderless flying blue elephant that will have even more mass appeal. It's all about PR you know.