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zgrillo2004:
I see you're a patriot...what's your opinion about President Trump?
Would you buy a game about him?
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Mafwek: Let's see: Jesus was a Hebrew; Muhammad was a Saracen; Genghis Khan was a Mongol. Yup, all white Europeans.
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morolf: Jesus, an innocent victim of judicial murder, doesn't belong in a list with evil warlords like Muhammad or Genghis Khan.
You do know there is theory that Muhammad was Jesus?
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tinyE: Jesus was a cult leader.
Technically true.
Post edited August 24, 2018 by Mafwek
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LootHunter: I said MOST not ALL.

And I use caps because you deliberately miss details.

Because, yeah - make your conqueror to be mongol, based on Genghis Khan, and you will get all "you are demonizing non-white people" flak from exactly the people like Telika and JoeSapphire.

And I don't want to even start on what can of worms you'll open with Muhammad.

And, as people already mentioned, most Jews DO belong to Europid group. So there is no particular reason to think that Jesus didn't.
I did not miss details, you said: "Most historically significant figures", and as I understand English grammar, that means top of the top of historical significance. And there is no European there (well, maybe Aristotle if we want to split Christianity's achievement between him and Jesus, but I don't think he is so significant), Hebrew is still Semitic language as is Arabic, so I don't count either him or Muhammad as Europeans (though I do as "white").

And if you want explanation why I put Jesus, Muhammad and Genghis Khan: JezzyC - founder of Christianity, world's most widespread/powerful religion, religion which is the foundation of Western civilization; mr M. - founder of the world's second most powerful religion; Khaaaaaan!!! - founder of one the history's biggest empires, ancestor of the big percentage of world's population, (I believe) holder of world record of total population killed (measured in percentage).
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Mafwek: I did not miss details, you said: "Most historically significant figures", and as I understand English grammar, that means top of the top of historical significance.
Ups. My bad. I meant "most of", of course. Damn! One preposition changes the meaning completely.
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Mafwek: And if you want explanation why I put Jesus, Muhammad and Genghis Khan: JezzyC - founder of Christianity, world's most widespread/powerful religion, religion which is the foundation of Western civilization; mr M. - founder of the world's second most powerful religion; Khaaaaaan!!! - founder of one the history's biggest empires, ancestor of the big percentage of world's population, (I believe) holder of world record of total population killed (measured in percentage).
But the point still stands. Jesus and Muhammad belong to Europid phenotype, so if you make a game (or other media piece) with characters based on them those characters they probably would be percieved "white" by the audience. And don't forget about possible religious controversy.

And as I've said Gengis Khan was quite a negative character, so making a character based on him could bring accusations of racism on your head. Heck, that's the very reason why Khan Nunien Singh in Star Trek into Darkness was played by british actor - not to offend non-whites!
Post edited August 24, 2018 by LootHunter
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LootHunter: But the point still stands. Jesus and Muhammad belong to Europid phenotype, so if you make a game (or other media piece) with characters based on them those characters they probably would be percieved "white" by the audience. And don't forget about possible religious controversy.

And as I've said Gengis Khan was quite a negative character, so making a character based on him could bring accusations of racism on your head. Heck, that's the very reason why Khan Nunien Singh in Star Trek into Darkness was played by british actor - not to offend non-whites!
Europid and European are two different things, and and I believe that racism is so widespread among all members of Europid population that nobody would be pleased in any case.

Negative character is meaningless in history, because negative and positive depends on your perspective and values. Europeans praised cultural achievements of Romans, and their civilization was built on conquest. From that perspective, they are no better than Romans. Same thing with Arabs and Western European powers, former's cultural peak came after conquest, latter built their cultural achievement by exploiting colonies. Looking from that perspective, it's pretty difficult to say they were better from Mongols.
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zgrillo2004:
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morolf: I see you're a patriot...what's your opinion about President Trump?
Would you buy a game about him?
I would but I decided not to. because politics just gives me stress when the left attack a sitting president for basically nothing.

* Mode Edit - i can't stress this anymore, please refrain from attacking people based on their political belief, that includes calling people 'nazis' 'libtards' etc
Post edited August 24, 2018 by zgrillo2004
Keep things on topic, it's gone from a question about politics in video games to a people dropping history lessons and minor political rants that don't have much connection to the topic at hand. This isn't a time to have a pop at Trump or any other world leader unless it's directly relating to the topic.
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Linko90: Keep things on topic, it's gone from a question about politics in video games to a people dropping history lessons and minor political rants that don't have much connection to the topic at hand. This isn't a time to have a pop at Trump or any other world leader unless it's directly relating to the topic.
you certainly have good PR skills.... /sarc
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Mafwek: Negative character is meaningless in history, because negative and positive depends on your perspective and values.
In history? Yes. In media - not quite. Remember that we are trying to find why there are "too many white straight male heroes" in the media (including games). According to the "social justice" ideology it is because west culture is "inherently racist, sexist and homophobic". I argue that it is because west culture IS west culture. If you want media to propagate liberal views, human rights and other western culture values, you obviously have to use types of heroes who fight for those values. Thus prototypes of those heroes would be historical figures, who also fought for similar values.

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Mafwek: Europeans praised cultural achievements of Romans, and their civilization was built on conquest. From that perspective, they are no better than Romans. Same thing with Arabs and Western European powers, former's cultural peak came after conquest, latter built their cultural achievement by exploiting colonies. Looking from that perspective, it's pretty difficult to say they were better from Mongols.
So, tell me, who are better in reflecting western liberal values? Romans, who at least were trying to bring their commodities to the conquered nations, albite for a price of their resources? Or the Golden Horde, that basically just extorted money from the nations they defeated?

And yes, I know what you will say. Romans were no generous benefactors, they were corrupt, decadent and devious, scheming for grabing power to themselves only. You right, they were. And that's why Rome almost never shown in the media, and when it's shown - never in positive light. And if we have some Roman protagonist this protagonist is a commoner or even slave, rebel against the Rome. All fictional nations inspired by Rome were shown either outright hostile like Romulans in Star Trek, or society on the brink of collapse, like Republic in Star Wars Prequel Trilogy. And in freakin Asterix cartoon Ceasar is the main antagonist!

UPD. Fixed typos.

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Linko90: Keep things on topic, it's gone from a question about politics in video games to a people dropping history lessons and minor political rants that don't have much connection to the topic at hand. This isn't a time to have a pop at Trump or any other world leader unless it's directly relating to the topic.
Excluse me, but history is directly related to politics. And the media.
Post edited August 24, 2018 by LootHunter
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Mafwek: Negative character is meaningless in history, because negative and positive depends on your perspective and values.
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LootHunter: In history? Yes. In media - not quite. Remember that we are trying to find why there are "too many white straight male heroes" in the media (including games). According to the "social justice" ideology it is because west culture is "inherently racist, sexist and homophobic". I argue that it is because west culture IS west culture. If you want media to propagate liberal views, human rights and other western culture values, you obviously have to use types of heroes who fight for those values. Thus prototype of those heroes would be historical figurew, who also fought for similar values.

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Mafwek: Europeans praised cultural achievements of Romans, and their civilization was built on conquest. From that perspective, they are no better than Romans. Same thing with Arabs and Western European powers, former's cultural peak came after conquest, latter built their cultural achievement by exploiting colonies. Looking from that perspective, it's pretty difficult to say they were better from Mongols.
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LootHunter: So, tell me, who are better in reflecting western liberal values? Romans, who at least were trying to bring their commodities to the conquered nations, albite for a price of their resources? Or the Golden Horde, that basically just extorted money from the nations they defeated?

And yes, I know what you will say. Romans were no generous benefactors, they were corrupt, decadent and devious, scheming for grabing power to themselves only. You right, they were. And that's why Rome almost never shown in the media, and when it's shown - never in positive light. And if we have some Roman protagonist this protagonist is a commoner or even slave, rebel against the Rome. All fictional nations inspired by Rome were shown either outright hostile like Romulans in Star Trek, or society on the brink of collapse, like Republic in Star Wars Prequel Trilogy.

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Linko90: Keep things on topic, it's gone from a question about politics in video games to a people dropping history lessons and minor political rants that don't have much connection to the topic at hand. This isn't a time to have a pop at Trump or any other world leader unless it's directly relating to the topic.
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LootHunter: Excluse me, but history is directly related to politics. And the media.
Go look at some of the past posts in this thread. I'm not asking much for people to stay on topic.
Oi vey! Shut it down! The goyim know!
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tinyE: Jesus was a cult leader.
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morolf: I think you know where'll you end up with that attitude (hint: it's really hot there).
Better there than in a place with no interesting people to talk to.
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Mafwek: You do know there is theory that Muhammad was Jesus?
??? I've never heard about that.
Sounds like a really stupid theory, how would that be possible without time travel?
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morolf: Jesus, an innocent victim of judicial murder, doesn't belong in a list with evil warlords like Muhammad or Genghis Khan.
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Mafwek: You do know there is theory that Muhammad was Jesus?
Monotheism is the science of herding sheep.