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Wrong screenshots: https://www.gog.com/dreamlist/game/rim-battle-planets-2006
These games are already on GOG but not marked so in the dreamlist:

1) Ori and the Blind Forest
2) Metro 2033
3) Simcity 4
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cosevecchie: * Wrong game was given votes during transfer

Wolfenstein RPG has more than 17000 votes at the moment... a mobile game.
There can't be any doubt that they should be attributed to Wolfenstein (2009) instead.

Quarantine: almost 2000 votes for the 2017 game. I think they were rather cast for the1994 game.

Chameleon (1986) and Chameleon (2005): I'm doubtful more than a thousand users voted for the 8-bit title.

Vietcong: I think the votes for the 2018 title should be transferred to "Vietcong" (2003), which is far more popular.

Soldier of Fortune: more than 8000 votes for an 8-bit title from 1988.
They were likely given to the 2000 FPS that's already been released on GOG.

Spider-Man: 1600 votes for the Atari 2600 game?
Somehow I doubt it...
I really think they were intended for the spider-man-2000 or the spider-man-2002 game.
Hard to say.

2000+ votes for Portal, the text-based game from 1986...
nah, more likely for another Portal.
There live ~ 8.16 billion people on this planet.
Millions of them are gamers.
Many of them are older than you.
Many have fond memories of games, which you may never have played or even heard of.
And - nowadays - there are millions, who play on their mobile phones.
What makes you think, that you are the benchmark, on which every vote has to be measured?
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cosevecchie: * Wrong game was given votes during transfer

Wolfenstein RPG has more than 17000 votes at the moment... a mobile game.
There can't be any doubt that they should be attributed to Wolfenstein (2009) instead.

Quarantine: almost 2000 votes for the 2017 game. I think they were rather cast for the1994 game.

Chameleon (1986) and Chameleon (2005): I'm doubtful more than a thousand users voted for the 8-bit title.

Vietcong: I think the votes for the 2018 title should be transferred to "Vietcong" (2003), which is far more popular.

Soldier of Fortune: more than 8000 votes for an 8-bit title from 1988.
They were likely given to the 2000 FPS that's already been released on GOG.

Spider-Man: 1600 votes for the Atari 2600 game?
Somehow I doubt it...
I really think they were intended for the spider-man-2000 or the spider-man-2002 game.
Hard to say.

2000+ votes for Portal, the text-based game from 1986...
nah, more likely for another Portal.
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BreOl72: There live ~ 8.16 billion people on this planet.
Millions of them are gamers.
Many of them are older than you.
Many have fond memories of games, which you may never have played or even heard of.
And - nowadays - there are millions, who play on their mobile phones.
What makes you think, that you are the benchmark, on which every vote has to be measured?
This is a good starting point:
https://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/wolfenstein_2009
https://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/wolfenstein_rpg
(moreover... what's the point of voting for a mobile game on GOG? Since when does GOG sell mobile games? I'm sure most users realize this perfectly. To think those 17K+ might refer to the mobile game seems absurd to me)

https://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/portal
https://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/portal_activision

https://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/spiderman
(no trace of the Atari game in the old wishlist. It seems unlikely it received that many votes when the 2000 game is so popular)

https://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/chameleon

https://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/quarantine
(comments refer to the 1994 game, obviously)

https://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/vietcong
(the other Vietcong had just 41 reviews on Steam, most of them negative... can we really believe GOGers voted for that one instead?)
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BreOl72: There live ~ 8.16 billion people on this planet.
Millions of them are gamers.
Many of them are older than you.
Many have fond memories of games, which you may never have played or even heard of.
And - nowadays - there are millions, who play on their mobile phones.
What makes you think, that you are the benchmark, on which every vote has to be measured?
As others have pointed out around various threads, is it really so realistic for people to have voted for an obscure game from the 1980s when they probably meant the insanely popular title? A dry text adventure vs one of the more innovative games of the decade?
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amok: As long as you are logged into your account, use this link: https://www.gog.com/user/refresh
Ah, thank you!

Well, I did that, and...

It still didn't work. ^^; :/

I'm starting to think that GOG just don't want to hear my story! :P
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cosevecchie: what's the point of voting for a mobile game on GOG?
Since when does GOG sell mobile games?
I'm sure most users realize this perfectly.
To think those 17K+ might refer to the mobile game seems absurd to me

no trace of the Atari game in the old wishlist.
It seems unlikely it received that many votes when the 2000 game is so popular)

comments refer to the 1994 game, obviously

the ]other Vietcong had just 41 reviews on Steam, most of them negative... can we really believe GOGers voted for that one instead?
According to your registration date, you're using GOG for almost 13 years...do you really want to try and tell me, that in all those years, you've never seen any of the "request threads" for games, that are only available on (old) consoles?
Or requests for C-64 games?
Or Amiga games?
And more recently: mobile games?

Again: you see this from your own (biased) standpoint.
Yet, other people may like things, that you don't like.
And "other people" are in the majority.
Shocking, I know.

For a few days now, GOG has this message up on the front page:
"You've achieved another milestone
3.000.000 votes & 10.000 stories are already in!"


Question: for how many of these votes and stories do you account for?

Allegedly this "new" Dream list is "better visible" (due to the news posts and presentation on the front page, I'm sure)...so, many people who never posted any wish on the old wishlist, may have taken the opportunity, to add games only now.
Do I know this for sure?
Of course not.
But is it possible?
Yes.

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dnovraD: is it really so realistic for people to have voted for an obscure game from the 1980s when they probably meant the insanely popular title?
A dry text adventure vs one of the more innovative games of the decade?
Question: if you and cosevecchie (and others) are apparently smart enough to properly distinguish between these titles...then what makes (all of) you think, others are obviously too stupid to notice the difference?
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BreOl72: Or requests for C-64 games?
Or Amiga games?
And more recently: mobile games?

Yet, other people may like things, that you don't like. And "other people" are in the majority. Shocking, I know.

Question: if you and cosevecchie (and others) are apparently smart enough to properly distinguish between these titles...then what makes (all of) you think, others are obviously too stupid to notice the difference?
No idea why you're being so snarky / hostile to others here for the crime of expressing common sense, but "other people" can "like" whatever they want, and it remains painfully obvious GOG still can't legally start selling Nintendo Game Boy / ripped arcade ROM's bundled with unlicensed Nintendo / MAME emulators without getting sued into oblivion, so all that stuff does is add to the clutter.

I looked through the DreamList myself and quite honestly the first 10 pages were great but even by Page 11 you see things like "Game Boy" half cropped off the image which looks incredibly amateurish and sets the tone for the bulk of the 3937 pages to be a "wall of automated scraped bot clutter". And nowhere is that more obviously counter-productive than the fact the last 500x pages have 1x single vote (and last 1000x pages have just 2x votes) identical for every game almost like 1-2 people used a bot script to auto-upvote everything whilst no-one else has actually looked through the second half of the list because it's filled with glorified spam...
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BrianSim: I looked through the DreamList myself and quite honestly the first 10 pages were great but even by Page 11 you see things like "Game Boy" half cropped off the image which looks incredibly amateurish and sets the tone for the bulk of the 3937 pages to be a "wall of automated scraped bot clutter". And nowhere is that more obviously counter-productive than the fact the last 500x pages have 1x single vote (and last 1000x pages have just 2x votes) identical for every game almost like 1-2 people used a bot script to auto-upvote everything whilst no-one else has actually looked through the second half of the list because it's filled with glorified spam...
I agree on that many good games that aren't in the first pages, get lost in heaps of nonsensical requests inside all the other pages. Just because many people decided to add absolutely anything that would come to their minds.
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BreOl72: Question: if you and cosevecchie (and others) are apparently smart enough to properly distinguish between these titles...then what makes (all of) you think, others are obviously too stupid to notice the difference?
Simple. GOG implicitly said, "We transferred the wishes over as we could."

Accuracy implies peeing in the right toilet, much less spraying it into entirely the wrong type of water source.
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dnovraD: Hi, welcome to the GOG Dreamlist issue reporting thread.............

.....but feel like they fall outside the line of what GOG aims to do.)
Well for me, right there is the key issue for all of this.

Are GOG actually intending to do anything different to what they have been doing?
Or is this just a promotion thing because they fear they need to make themselves look better.
Same with the Game Preservation stuff.

If these things are really important, like they are currently pushing, why have they waited so long, too long, to do them?

So I am skeptical about any aim other than propaganda due to a state of desperation, perhaps.

I don't want it to be that way, but honestly .....

For some time now, I have been preparing myself for what seems inevitable. Like getting up to date with all the updates. I wanted to start that sooner, but it took me a while to get around the lousy download speed I was getting with GOG (only) ... another indicator to me, that GOG aren't doing too well.
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Timboli: So I am skeptical about any aim other than propaganda due to a state of desperation, perhaps.
Still say that what I'm seeing is that GOG finally got some better PR people, which I'd say they haven't had since TET. And yep, their "preservation program" was more of a PR stunt than real work, and the "deamlist" is pretty much only PR, but it works, it gets people talking, increases engagement, makes them way more present in gaming media, maybe even catching the odd news piece outside of the niche too... It may not mean much of anything palpable, especially for existing users, but it's marketing done right. Smoke and mirrors, but a great thing for a business.
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BreOl72: Question: if you and cosevecchie (and others) are apparently smart enough to properly distinguish between these titles...then what makes (all of) you think, others are obviously too stupid to notice the difference?
Let's go back a few days.
GOG launches its new and improved "Dreamlist".
I notice that it gives you the ability to filter the list for all the games you have voted for, something that wasn't possible before.
I then quickly proceed to review all my past votes, and with great curiosity as I have never done it before (it would have been a real pain in the neck with the old wishlist).
Among old favourites, I find out that, apparently, I have voted for Chameleon 1986, Soldier Of Fortune 1988 and Atari Spider-Man from 1982.
Except... no, I never intended to vote for Chameleon 1986, Soldier Of Fortune 1988 or Spider-Man 1982.
I voted for Chameleon 2005, Soldier Of Fortune 2000 and Spider-Man 2000!
I had to cancel my votes for Chameleon 1986, Soldier Of Fortune 1988 and Spider-Man 1982, and vote again for Chameleon 2005 and Spider-Man 2000.
What are we to make of this? Clearly, the most logical, reasonable, indeed obvious, explanation, is that something went awry in the transition from the old to the new wishlist - namely, that votes were wrongly assigned to different games with the same, or slightly different, title.
And if this happened for those games, it is entirely reasonable to suppose that it happened for other games as well. And that's precisely what other users besides me concluded.
I stated clearly at the beginning of my original post that I was bringing together the remarks of other users, in addition to mine. I refer, in particular, to

binteon
BrazilSummer2012
Kreeg
TheOdds

Really, if I see that Wolfenstein 2009 had almost 12000 votes in the old wishlist, but has under 1500 in the new one, what am I supposed to think? That votes were transferred correctly? And if, on top of that, I see that Wolfenstein RPG (a mere 228 votes previously) now has 18000+, shouldn't I get at least a sneaking suspicion that something went wrong? Especially given my first-hand experience (related above) of similar glitches.
Notice that, in my original post, I even qualified my statements with words and expressions like "rather", "I'm doubtful", "likely" etc. Evidently, they weren't enough (no I did not use them for Wolfenstein, that's just too glaring).
And that is all, really - signaling out what appear to me (and others) to be blatant inconsistencies that point to some kind of mistake happening during the automated transition process, all in the hope for someone at GOG to look into the matter, eventually.
And how I wish it would happen soon... and put an end to this nonsense. But I'm not too confident about that.
I honestly have a hard time understanding what's so controversial about all this, to the point of stirring up such an argument, that I find completely meaningless, sterile, and, frankly, disagreeable.
Man, you're reading too much into it.

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BreOl72: According to your registration date, you're using GOG for almost 13 years...do you really want to try and tell me, that in all those years, you've never seen any of the "request threads" for games, that are only available on [i]
(old)[/i] consoles?
Or requests for C-64 games?
Or Amiga games?
And more recently: mobile games?
Not at all.
Of course I have seen such requests.
I have even linked to one of them in my previous reply.
What I was trying to say, it's rather that all evidence points to some mistakes happening during the transition from the old wishlist to the new one, so that some of those Atari, C64 or mobile games ended up garnering votes that were originally intended for other titles.
(About the migration process, I refer you to this post by king_kunat).

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BreOl72: Yet, other people may like things, that you don't like.
And "other people" are in the majority.
Shocking, I know.
No, it isn't shocking at all.
It's a banality of colossal proportions.
No need for that.

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BrianSim: you see things like "Game Boy" half cropped off the image
Ah, good catch! That's another one. You can see in the attached screenshot that it's got my vote (that I promptly removed after taking the screenshot, of course). Now, did I vote for Game Boy Prince of Persia, "now available on Virtual Console!" (2012) in the old wishlist? No way! I rather voted for the über-classic DOS game - that currently has 3899 votes (and mine wasn't among them initially! I had to vote for it anew). So - again - why should we suppose that the 7395 votes from the old entry have been transferred correctly? And why am I such a bad person for expressing my doubts? Or even my reasonable certainty that some bugs happened?

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dnovraD: Simple. GOG implicitly said, "We transferred the wishes over as we could."
Accuracy implies peeing in the right toilet, much less spraying it into entirely the wrong type of water source.
Exactly. You said that in a very concise and effective manner. Thank you for restoring some sanity to this discussion.
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cosevecchie: I then quickly proceed to review all my past votes, and with great curiosity as I have never done it before (it would have been a real pain in the neck with the old wishlist).
Among old favourites, I find out that, apparently, I have voted for Chameleon 1986, Soldier Of Fortune 1988 and Atari Spider-Man from 1982.
Except... no, I never intended to vote for Chameleon 1986, Soldier Of Fortune 1988 or Spider-Man 1982.
I voted for Chameleon 2005, Soldier Of Fortune 2000 and Spider-Man 2000!
See? That's some important info, that's missing from your initial post.
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dnovraD: Hi, welcome to the GOG Dreamlist issue reporting thread.............

.....but feel like they fall outside the line of what GOG aims to do.)
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Timboli: Well for me, right there is the key issue for all of this.

Are GOG actually intending to do anything different to what they have been doing?
Or is this just a promotion thing because they fear they need to make themselves look better.
Same with the Game Preservation stuff.

If these things are really important, like they are currently pushing, why have they waited so long, too long, to do them?

So I am skeptical about any aim other than propaganda due to a state of desperation, perhaps.

I don't want it to be that way, but honestly .....

For some time now, I have been preparing myself for what seems inevitable. Like getting up to date with all the updates. I wanted to start that sooner, but it took me a while to get around the lousy download speed I was getting with GOG (only) ... another indicator to me, that GOG aren't doing too well.
Geezus!

Just because you have a shitty internet connection to GOG's servers doesn't mean that GOG dies. I also don't see signs of desperation. So... what is the deal with the Preservation Program and the new Dreamlist?

Someone from the game industry told me it is important to keep talking about older games. The people with the copyrights need to see that there is still interest in certain older games. People from SNEG and Nightdive also mentioned this in interviews. Instead of the older interviews I recommend to read the new interview with the GOG staff.

Click here!

"The process starts with prioritization. We look at the GOG wishlist, now called Dreamlist, to identify the games most requested by our community. This helps us focus our efforts. Of course, we can’t release everything, but you can be sure that the top 500 games from our old wishlist have been approached at least once by our business development team.

"What really helped were the voices from the community. I showed them the numerous requests and testimonials on the wishlist, demonstrating the game’s enduring popularity. This, strangely enough, I believe, made a difference. We were able to sign the papers and release the game."

"We used to check the old wishlist to see which games were popular and how many people were requesting them. This helped us prioritize titles for publishing. Publishers also checked the wishlist to gauge a game’s popularity. However, our old wishlist wasn’t very prominent or visible, and the name was confusing. It was difficult to convey its value to publishers accustomed to the wishlist numbers on Steam, which were considerably higher, even though our wishlist conversions were arguably better.

With the Dreamlist, we wanted to take things to a new level. There was always value there, and it’s something we probably should have had years ago. We hope the Dreamlist will become a place where all gamers can contribute to game preservation through their votes and testimonials. We’ll use these testimonials and wishlist numbers when talking to publishers. The hope is that, over time, this will become a powerful argument in our discussions. Publishers will see that a game has hundreds of thousands of votes and recognize its importance.

The testimonials are incredibly motivating. They’re like a time machine, filled with nostalgia. The initial reception of the Dreamlist has been amazing, with thousands of testimonials and millions of votes."
On X GOG shares posts about the Dreamlist. They tweeted about Digimon World.

This message has been retweeted 2.7K times and has 10k likes. Look at this screenshot which they added to the text above. Last week Digimon World had 11180 votes, now it has 24747 votes.

Today they tweeted about Breath of Fire IV
After 3 hours it already has 2.2K likes.

Resident Evil 1, 2 and 3 are on page 5 on GOG's all time bestselling list. Dino Crisis 1 and 2 are on page 17. Alpha Protocol is on page 12. They are all part of GOG's preservation program and had thousands of votes on the whishlist. These games are good arguments for publishers to release other older games here.
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