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Vainamoinen: I wouldn't scold anybody who says: That's not for me, I need to hide that stuff from myself / I'm out of here. I've been that person myself. If gog officials can render that option again, I'd say they should.
Oh yeah, no disagreement from me there. If they could bring back just the post-hiding aspect of the minus button I'm all for it. I just think that using the old minus button as a post hider while ignoring that its primary function was to low rate posts was kind of contributing to the problem. I would never click the minus button just to hide a post, I'd have to have a reason to want to down vote it too.
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my name is racynge catte: Oh yeah, no disagreement from me there. If they could bring back just the post-hiding aspect of the minus button I'm all for it. I just think that using the old minus button as a post hider while ignoring that its primary function was to low rate posts was kind of contributing to the problem. I would never click the minus button just to hide a post, I'd have to have a reason to want to down vote it too.
Same here. To hide a post, I first have to read it, understand it, despise it, then I click hide, then I think oh I should have downvoted it first, then I unhide it, then I downvote it, then I hide it again ...

... it's all a bit much work and I didn't really feel like I "ignore" i.e. do not engage with the disruptive content. Somewhere on these last pages I said it's psychologically impossible to "ignore" such content. I still think I'm right.
Post edited July 19, 2022 by Vainamoinen
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Vainamoinen: Same here. To hide a post, I first have to read it, understand it, despise it, then I click hide, then I think oh I should have downvoted it first, then I unhide it, then I downvote it, then I hide it again ...

... it's all a bit much work and I didn't really feel like I "ignore" i.e. do not engage with the disruptive content. Somewhere on these last pages I said it's psychologically impossible to "ignore" such content. I still think I'm right.
I guess you're using some kind of post-hider script then?
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FrostburnPhoenix: It is true. The only (I think) time I downvoted someone it took quite awhile before it became low rated. And yes there were definitely active downvote bots.
So after downvoting, you immediately refreshed the page, and kept doing so every few minutes or seconds until it showed?

If so, then that is probably definitive proof of bots in use.

I rarely downvoted anyone, only when they were being truly obnoxious (racist, sexist, bully, etc). And I did not bother to check in those cases, just got on with other stuff after downvoting and reporting.
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my name is racynge catte: I guess you're using some kind of post-hider script then?
Oh no, I never used any scripts. Standard forum software. Maybe I should have used scripts. :)
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Timboli: So after downvoting, you immediately refreshed the page, and kept doing so every few minutes or seconds until it showed?

If so, then that is probably definitive proof of bots in use.

I rarely downvoted anyone, only when they were being truly obnoxious (racist, sexist, bully, etc). And I did not bother to check in those cases, just got on with other stuff after downvoting and reporting.
I Didn't refresh immediately at all. It took a lot longer than a few minutes before the post became low rated. To clarify, I don't think bots were involved in downvoting said post, but I was saying it takes more than one downvote for a post to become low rated or for rep to decrease.
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FrostburnPhoenix: I Didn't refresh immediately at all. It took a lot longer than a few minutes before the post became low rated. To clarify, I don't think bots were involved in downvoting said post, but I was saying it takes more than one downvote for a post to become low rated or for rep to decrease.
Well depending on your browser maybe and or what scripts GOG have running, it is likely a refresh thing in how soon you see any such change. If you refresh the page yourself, you will likely see the change much sooner.
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Vainamoinen: Same here. To hide a post, I first have to read it, understand it, despise it, then I click hide, then I think oh I should have downvoted it first, then I unhide it, then I downvote it, then I hide it again ...
Am I missing something here?
Without using a script to hide a post, hide also downvoted.

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Vainamoinen: ... it's all a bit much work and I didn't really feel like I "ignore" i.e. do not engage with the disruptive content. Somewhere on these last pages I said it's psychologically impossible to "ignore" such content. I still think I'm right.
Your bit of work is also confusing, because if you are using a script, then it should be no work at all. Unless the post was auto hidden, and you are referring to clicking reveal to read the post anyway, and then if the post warranted more, you then downvoted?

I'd like a hide script that was post specific rather than user specific, though you run the risk of reading something you'd rather not. User specific is great if that user is regularly obnoxious ... much easier to ignore in that case, and frankly, like bullies, they deserve ignoring ... nothing they can say is valuable enough that you can't get it elsewhere or just go without.

At the end of the day, because you can reveal at any time, it is all about strength of will anyway ... versus curiosity in some cases.
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my name is racynge catte: I guess you're using some kind of post-hider script then?
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Vainamoinen: Oh no, I never used any scripts. Standard forum software. Maybe I should have used scripts. :)
Oh I see... it's just you talked about unhiding a post so you could down vote it. Perhaps a joke that went over my head then.
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Timboli: Well depending on your browser maybe and or what scripts GOG have running, it is likely a refresh thing in how soon you see any such change. If you refresh the page yourself, you will likely see the change much sooner.
I Should have worded that better. I Didn't refresh immediately, but I revisited the thread multiple times before the post became low rated.
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Timboli:
I Just upvoted your post and refreshed. It isn't "high rated".
In my experience, upvoting always worked different to downvoting ... never tit for tat.

Downvoting always seemed to carry more weight.

But anyway, there is no point to arguing any further about it, without some facts. I am happy to admit I misremember or misunderstood things if we get some reliable facts.

Downvoting is now relegated to history. So memory of it is all we have ... that and a few negative votes sprinkled around the forum.
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BreOl72: Unlike you and your ilk, who "don't have an issue with positivity".
And we all know why...just imagine you guys couldn't enlarge your precious e-peens anymore.
Oh, the horror!
I'm OK with positivity = I want a massive electronic willy :D
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BreOl72: Erm, I'm pretty sure you're either confusing things here, or maybe we talk past each other...?

What I meant was: it took 5 to 10 people clicking on the (-) to mark a comment as "low rated" (see attachment).
Contrary to what you seem to believe, a single click from a single user on the (-) didn't do anything (besides hiding the comment for the person clicking the (-) button).

Once that mark ("low rated") was reached, the loss of REP began.
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Timboli: Can you tell me where you got that information from?

From my experience, and I paid pretty close attention when I posted in a thread where every post was downvoted, a few seconds after I posted (not always the case), my post was downvoted, showed 'low rated' and my REP went down by one. I did this by refreshing the page until it happened. In many instances it was basically immediate or close enough.
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A few things first:
- I still think we may talk past each other somehow, since what you wrote, basically confirms what I have written (and what you have quoted)
- I never was so obsessed with my REP that I repeatedly hammered F5, only to see if and/or how my REP changed
- for the sake of this demonstration, we assume that 5 was the magic number to reach "low rated" status, ok?
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Now, here's my (layman's) explanation for how I (!) understand the REP system to work (or rather: how it has been working):

Let's say you (I use "you" as a general term here, not necessarily meaning you personally) wrote a comment, which I found to be worthy of my (-) click.

I would have clicked on the (-) and two things would have happened:
1) your comment would have been hidden from my view, and
2) some invisible counter inside GOG's forum software would have sprung from 0 to 1.
Nothing else would have happened.

Now let's further assume, you didn't stop at one comment, but made five (or more) trollish/inflammatory/offensive comments on that same day.
And no: it doesn't matter if you saw 'em that way - it's enough if I saw 'em that way.
You may have made these comments all in the same thread, or in five (or more) different threads, or two here, two there, and one (or more) in a third thread.
Doesn't matter.

Assuming I saw all these comments, and I found them all worthy of my (-) click, I would have clicked the (-) on all of them, and still - nothing would have happened, that hadn't had happened before:
1) your comment gets hidden,
2) the invisible counter under each of your comments, springs from 0 to 1.
That's all.

I'm happy now, because I don't have to see your crappy comment(s) anymore - and you are none the wiser about it.

Now...the two of us are not the only users here in the forums, of course.

So, let's say one, or two, or even all of your comments attracted the attention of 4 (or more) other users beside me.
And all of these users disliked them in the same way (if maybe for different reasons) as I did.

If they all clicked the (-) button next to your comment(s) - something else beside simply hiding your post from their view would happen.

Because now, the invisible counter under each of your comments, inside GOG's forum software, would have sprung from 1 to 2, then from 2 to 3, from 3 to 4 and from 4 to 5, etc...

And that (reaching 5 on the counter) would have triggered two (make that three) new (well one old - two new) reactions:
1) your comment(s) would have been hidden for every user clicking on the (-), and
2) your comment(s) would have been marked "low rated"
3) you would have lost your first REP point(s)

I cannot comment on the speed with which your REP points would have decreased from that point on, though I'm somewhat sure they didn't decrease by 5 at once.
I'm basing this statement on my own experience with my comments getting "low rated".
Mind you - like I said, I wasn't that obsessed with that number that I would have frantically checked the rate of loss.

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Timboli: For what you claim to be true, [...] a bunch [...] of members would have to have downvoted me immediately ... hardly likely.
Mhm,...and why exactly is that "hardly likely"?

Because all your comments are pure wisdom, that nobody on earth could ever possibly disagree with?

As I have already written in other posts:
this is a public forum, that grants access to everyone who ever bothered to create an account here, and that is open 24/7 during all 52 weeks of the year.
Covered by all 24 time zones.

That means, there are always hundreds, if not thousands, of users reading the threads in this forum - the vast majority without (ever) actively contributing - exactly as in any other forum on this planet.

Even if you don't agree with such high numbers (may I ask: what would be your "more realistic" assumption?), may I remind you that all it took for your comment(s) to get "low rated", was 5 (!) users disagreeing with you.

You're also not agreeing with the "5"?
Well, make it "10" then - doesn't matter.
For what it's worth make it "20" or "30"...doesn't matter either.

Because there are at any given time enough users online here, to be able to tag any comment(s) that they may disagree with, with the "low rated" label.
And that for any given comprehensible reason (and some probably not so comprehensible ones).
That's a fact.

You (and many others here) don't like that fact - I get that.

But unlike "alternative facts" - for real facts, it doesn't matter if you like them, or not.
They stay facts nonetheless.
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Timboli: Am I missing something here?
Without using a script to hide a post, hide also downvoted.
That's not how I remember it. Then again, it's (a) been some time since I was really active in the GOG forums and (b) the system is hopefully gone for good.