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catpower1980: For those who missed the live video of the PEGIDA march in Köln today here's how it went:

PEGIDA protesters marched quietly, got halted at some point. A few firecrackers were thrown at the policemen then the protesters got "watered" and pushed back by the police forces up to the train station where they held some speeches then left quietly. Overall, that was quite a "peaceful" march with maybe too much police forces in regard to the weak number of protesters (pic attached is the widest angle). In comparison, protests in Belgium are way more violent than that....

Conclusion: Pegida played its cards right and seemed rather inoffensive in front of the "state", I wouldn't be surprised if they have gained some more sympathy from Germans today.
That's funny. When PEGIDA protesters throw fireworks and bottles at police men it's called a "peaceful march". When Antifa protesters do the same, it's normally called "street terror" by the same people.
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Klumpen0815: snip

It's about testing boundaries and not finding any.
Yup... even small children know to play the game of "how far can I go" with their parents... let alone adults that have no love for you.

In either case, unless you want things to get out of hand, you have to set limits.
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catpower1980: For those who missed the live video of the PEGIDA march in Köln today here's how it went:

PEGIDA protesters marched quietly, got halted at some point. A few firecrackers were thrown at the policemen then the protesters got "watered" and pushed back by the police forces up to the train station where they held some speeches then left quietly. Overall, that was quite a "peaceful" march with maybe too much police forces in regard to the weak number of protesters (pic attached is the widest angle). In comparison, protests in Belgium are way more violent than that....

Conclusion: Pegida played its cards right and seemed rather inoffensive in front of the "state", I wouldn't be surprised if they have gained some more sympathy from Germans today.
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PaterAlf: That's funny. When PEGIDA protesters throw fireworks and bottles at police men it's called a "peaceful march". When Antifa protesters do the same, it's normally called "street terror" by the same people.
We don't really have antifas protests in Belgium to compare but I can tell you it's quiet compared to when our union workers protest :o)

I followed the stream live and saw when they threw the firecrackers and honestly, they did nothing out of the ordinary. I hope someone will upload this part of the livestream so everyone can judge for himself/herself.
A report on Rebel Media from yesterday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrqxOAGfyGg

PS Perhaps I should have watched it before posting, I do not like the undertone this guy has while reporting on the incidents. It seems to me he tries to incite rage.

Btw the video from the forecourt of the central station you always see in the media was recorded at about 20:00. People said it was "full" of people with a migrant background later. When the forecourt was cleared by the police, they all went into the central station where most of the stuff happened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDELW-fJEuw

A really good article on Cicero, a magazine for political culture:

http://www.cicero.de/berliner-republik/zu-den-ereignissen-koeln-religion-ist-mitverantwortlich/60341

Serge speaks the truth, sad that you have to be not white to say it here in Germany without being labeled as a Nazi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoOE8zBf2hY
Post edited January 09, 2016 by MaGo72
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sambo12345: I don't really sympathize with German women

because of this reason <link to article removed>

and [url=https://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://static0.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/a_scale_large/8300-7/photos/8385567.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.demotix.com/photo/8385567/refugees-welcome-gathering-held-nauen-after-arson-attack&h=533&w=799&tbnid=hfBONdA4wVrbpM:&docid=6PNlYapiJ84BPM&ei=30GRVvmyOoa8eNvyi5AH&tbm=isch&ved=0ahUKEwi5nq6bn53KAhUGHh4KHVv5AnIQMwhEKBMwEw]this[/url]

[url=https://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://static4.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/a_scale_large/8500-6/photos/1442083577-thousands-march-through-central-london-for-refugees-welcome-here_8528446.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.demotix.com/news/8528646/thousands-march-through-central-london-refugees-welcome-here&h=533&w=800&tbnid=aoqWFXU2YS7phM:&docid=6TNa1aUoXShK5M&ei=30GRVvmyOoa8eNvyi5AH&tbm=isch&ved=0ahUKEwi5nq6bn53KAhUGHh4KHVv5AnIQMwh4KD0wPQ]and this[/url]

They gleefully hold signs thinking that refugees will bring exotic, sexy men and ignore or friendzone native men. And when refugees do come and do their stuff these same sign holding women cry rape.
The article you posted (if not the whole website) is utter rubbish. Further, the first picture shows a German girl protesting against local fascists after an arson attack on a planned refugee shelter and the second pic is a protest in London. Please stop trolling.
Post edited January 09, 2016 by DeMignon
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catpower1980: For those who missed the live video of the PEGIDA march in Köln today here's how it went:

PEGIDA protesters marched quietly, got halted at some point. A few firecrackers were thrown at the policemen then the protesters got "watered" and pushed back by the police forces up to the train station where they held some speeches then left quietly. Overall, that was quite a "peaceful" march with maybe too much police forces in regard to the weak number of protesters (pic attached is the widest angle). In comparison, protests in Belgium are way more violent than that....

Conclusion: Pegida played its cards right and seemed rather inoffensive in front of the "state", I wouldn't be surprised if they have gained some more sympathy from Germans today.
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PaterAlf: That's funny. When PEGIDA protesters throw fireworks and bottles at police men it's called a "peaceful march". When Antifa protesters do the same, it's normally called "street terror" by the same people.
That is because those Antifa folks are fairly mentally unstable and do nothing but cause trouble. They're a big part of the problem.
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PaterAlf: That's funny. When PEGIDA protesters throw fireworks and bottles at police men it's called a "peaceful march". When Antifa protesters do the same, it's normally called "street terror" by the same people.
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darthspudius: That is because those Antifa folks are fairly mentally unstable and do nothing but cause trouble. They're a big part of the problem.
Pardon my ignorance but WTF is antifa? Short for something?
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darthspudius: That is because those Antifa folks are fairly mentally unstable and do nothing but cause trouble. They're a big part of the problem.
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Tarm: Pardon my ignorance but WTF is antifa? Short for something?
antifa = anti-facist
Post edited January 09, 2016 by MaGo72
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darthspudius: That is because those Antifa folks are fairly mentally unstable and do nothing but cause trouble. They're a big part of the problem.
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Tarm: Pardon my ignorance but WTF is antifa? Short for something?
I think anti fascist. So the activist left that opposes and confronts the extreme right. Not sure it includes general anti capitalist groups like the Occupy movements, or anarchic groups of some kind.
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Tarm: Pardon my ignorance but WTF is antifa? Short for something?
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MaGo72: antifa = anti-facist
Thank you.
I guessed so but the way it have been used here made me almost think it was a party or something.
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Tarm: Pardon my ignorance but WTF is antifa? Short for something?
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Brasas: I think anti fascist. So the activist left that opposes and confronts the extreme right. Not sure it includes general anti capitalist groups like the Occupy movements, or anarchic groups of some kind.
Yeah it's a bit unclear because how its been used. A movement or a organised group? The meaning could be both a couple times when used in this thread. It's confusing.
Post edited January 09, 2016 by Tarm
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darthspudius: That is because those Antifa folks are fairly mentally unstable and do nothing but cause trouble. They're a big part of the problem.
And right-wing groups like PEGIDA are mentally stable and part of the solution??? Sorry, but right at the moment I'm rolling on the floor laughing.
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catpower1980: For those who missed the live video of the PEGIDA march in Köln today here's how it went:

PEGIDA protesters marched quietly, got halted at some point. A few firecrackers were thrown at the policemen then the protesters got "watered" and pushed back by the police forces up to the train station where they held some speeches then left quietly. Overall, that was quite a "peaceful" march with maybe too much police forces in regard to the weak number of protesters (pic attached is the widest angle). In comparison, protests in Belgium are way more violent than that....

Conclusion: Pegida played its cards right and seemed rather inoffensive in front of the "state", I wouldn't be surprised if they have gained some more sympathy from Germans today.
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PaterAlf: That's funny. When PEGIDA protesters throw fireworks and bottles at police men it's called a "peaceful march". When Antifa protesters do the same, it's normally called "street terror" by the same people.
It's a game here in Sweden. Usually it goes like below.
1: Extreme right wing organisations manage to get a permit to have a march, demonstration or manifestation somewhere.
2: Left wing extremists mixed with extreme animal rights activists and all other strange kinds of liberal extreme persons get to know about this.
3: The right wing extremists aka fascists/nazis/nationalists/whatever think of the most offensive things they can do while only going a bit or not that much into unlawful behaviour.
4: The police prepare a excessive force.
5: Stage time!
Here we have the mixed extreme left and one part of the extrem right facing off with massive numbers of police in the middle.
6: The righties manage to offend the leftiest/liberals enough helped with professional rioters drawn by or included in the lefties camp. The professionals are almost always there by themselves as opportunity hunters.
7: The police smack down hard on the lefties because they're being aggressive.
8: The right wing continues mostly peacefully doing the thing they came for. Whatever that was at the time.

Basically the left does stupid things without a single goal and behave like they can't learn while the right learn at a fast pace and go like a arrow for their goal which is power in our society.

Sounds familiar to someone?
Post edited January 10, 2016 by Tarm
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darthspudius: That is because those Antifa folks are fairly mentally unstable and do nothing but cause trouble. They're a big part of the problem.
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PaterAlf: And right-wing groups like PEGIDA are mentally stable and part of the solution??? Sorry, but right at the moment I'm rolling on the floor laughing.
At least they have a pretty reasonable agenda at the moment compared to those far left twats. Nothing laughable about an invasion of your home turf and wanted something done about it.
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sambo12345: I don't really sympathize with German women

[link to self proclaimed rapist's website]

They gleefully hold signs thinking that refugees will bring exotic, sexy men and ignore or friendzone native men. And when refugees do come and do their stuff these same sign holding women cry rape.
The "Return of Kings" guy is a fuckwit of Armenian and Iranian descent who literally spends his life "teaching" men the "art" of sexual assault. Yes, sexual assault, do read those books but for god's sake don't buy them. Say it with me. Sexual. Assault.

We've only recently fucked this guy in the ass. It was hilarious.
http://www.vice.com/de/read/als-frau-auf-dem-seminar-eines-vergewaltigungs-befuerworters-roosh-v-berlin-888

I can see how he has a particular dislike of German women, and if I can, I'd really like to further his dislike of us to the best of my ability.

We reiterate. A deeply and utterly misogynist person with a migration background is specializing in sexual assault and thinks the western countries are on the brink of downfall because of homosexuality and feminism – and essentially hates the countries most in which he can't get laid – is quoted here as an expert on German women.

I'm rolling on the floor laughing.

Now we get to the two linked pictures. Keep in mind: These are supposed to show German women "gleefully hold[ing] signs thinking that refugees will bring exotic, sexy men and ignore or friendzone native men". Now let's see how strong that evidence is.

The first lady holds a sign that says "Is this starting again?" after refugee housing in Nauen was burnt down due to arson by right wing terrorists.

The second lady holds a sign that says "I love refugees". It's a nice British lady, the kind you'll find in London, where the picture was taken.

...why were you showing us these pictures again?

If it wasn't so damn sad, really. That's just sick.
Post edited January 10, 2016 by Vainamoinen
If anyone is still wondering what happened, what is the context, etc... I found this Speigel article in English very good.

It has enough to make everyone angry, sad and perhaps also a bit hopeful, regardless of their political alignment.

Cologne attacks

The only thing to add in terms of context is that unfortunately, there are more and more reports that similar events, but at a lower scale, have happened in other German cities, as well across a few other countries. Mostly Scandinavia and MittelEuropa...