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catpower1980: So, while Western EU medias are crying out loud about the main Polish party taking over local medias, it seems like today they "forgot" to write articles about what's going on in Germany nowadays so I'm gonna "throw a rock in the water" and you get to your own conclusions. I'm just bringing up the news because you have the rights to be equally informed.... [...]
This relates to Poland how?
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Hunter65536: I knew Germany was making a mistake taking refuges in numbers they can't control. I hope at least now they become aware of their limitations and take some steps to get this situation under control, coupled with stricter restrictions at borders.
The police has clearly stated that they have no reason to believe that refugees where involved in this.

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SLP2000: Seeing that those accidents were not publicly discussed in German media for 3 days, I'm very worried about the condition of German democracy.
This incident is widely published in German Newspapers and social networks, also a wide variety of politicians has commented on it, claiming it has been somehow ignored is ridiculous.
Post edited January 05, 2016 by Robette
Get your facts straigt. You are using Breitbart(!) as a valid source for a more "developed" story who are just copy a german tabloid paper.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breitbart_News_Network

Yes there was a major crime in cologne. Yes, there was one rape. No, there was no war zone, it had not 1000 men involved and maybe even no actual refugees involved - sorry...

This was organised crime during the new years eve celebration, mostly scam, dancing with physical contact with people to steal their belongings. This was mostly done by the usual drug and scam related gangs in cologne - not syrian refugees.


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SLP2000: Seeing that those accidents were not publicly discussed in German media for 3 days, I'm very worried about the condition of German democracy.
Who does the polish media discusses the recent changes in polish politics?
Post edited January 05, 2016 by Rincewind81
Frankly, I am starting to think maybe the reactions to this are bit exaggerated, or then I am missing something in the story.

1 alleged rape and 60 crimes (which can be anything like someone slapping someone in the face, pickpocketing, a racial slur, whatever) on New Year's Eve? I'd be surprised if there weren't that many criminal complaints on New Year's Even in Helsinki area, refugees or not. That's why i stayed home on New Year's Eve, my brother almost lost his hearing one New Year Eve when some drunk asshole shot a rocket near his face on the streets.

To me it appears people are more aghast by a report that there was a group of 1000 African and Arabic looking men on the streets (some of which didn't necessarily behave well), than the crimes themselves.

A group of 1000 men... logic tells me this was not some kind of coordinated group with the same motives and intentions, but just a mass of people who happened to be at the same place at the same time.
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catpower1980: I'm just bringing up the news because you have the rights to be equally informed....
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timppu: Thanks, but our local Finnish newspaper (hs.fi, as in Helsingin Sanomat) covered it as well.

Which is a slight surprise because hs.fi is mostly quite multiculturalism-positive, so I would have expected them to brush it under the rug, or at least write it in a way that in the end the real culprit are the white hetero meat-eating men, especially Finnish men (they usually have a feminist agenda too, you see).
In Belgium, as the country is divided by two different cultures/languages, the news is covered in two diferrent ways:

A good example from the same press group:

Flemish (both articles featured on homepage, well-written and informed):
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/960/Buitenland/article/detail/2575230/2016/01/05/Duitsers-maken-jacht-op-massa-aanranders-Keulen.dhtml
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/960/Buitenland/article/detail/2575188/2016/01/05/Keulen-tijdens-de-nieuwjaarsnacht-dit-zijn-de-feiten.dhtml

French-speaking (taken from the newsfeed, some quick and small copy/paste):
http://www.7sur7.be/7s7/fr/1505/Monde/article/detail/2575236/2016/01/05/De-nombreuses-agressions-sexuelles-le-soir-du-Nouvel-An-a-Cologne.dhtml

In France, they also don't speak about it.
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timppu: A group of 1000 men... logic tells me this was not some kind of coordinated group with the same motives and intentions, but just a mass of people who happened to be at the same place at the same time.
Exactly. And a small part of this group committed scams and organized crimes and you you have the "usual" stuff with drunken men in a crowd involved. This is now all mixed together and labeled with "refugees"...
I don't know which news are correct (here they report of 20 sexual attacks on women out of 60 crimes that happened there on that occasion), especially in Germany where news are extremely censored but one thing is clear. These were people of african descent living in Germany for a long time and they were not refugees. It looks more like a flash mob of drunken african people that's all. Its on the Police to clear this debacle be it rape or whatever happened there but its just something that will happen more and more.
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Matruchus: especially in Germany where news are extremely censored
Can you please explain this?
Post edited January 05, 2016 by Rincewind81
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Robette: This relates to Poland how
I guess the point is that Germans shouldn't shit themselves over Polish media, since the Gleichschaltung is already in full effect in their own country.

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Robette: The police has clearly stated that they have no reason to believe that refugees where involved in this.
Tell me then, how is it somehow better if these crimes were commited by people who were already staying in Germany for some time rather than the tidal wave of "new arrivals"? Do you think the latter will stand a better chance at integration?

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Rincewind81: dancing with physical contact with people to steal their belongings
That's rich, is that a new pc euphemism for surrounding, groping and robbing women?
Post edited January 05, 2016 by fronzelneekburm
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timppu: A group of 1000 men... logic tells me this was not some kind of coordinated group with the same motives and intentions, but just a mass of people who happened to be at the same place at the same time.
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Rincewind81: Exactly. And a small part of this group committed scams and organized crimes and you you have the "usual" stuff with drunken men in a crowd involved. This is now all mixed together and labeled with "refugees"...
To both:

I personally hesitated before making this thread so I read everything which was available in English this morning. The main thing which made me tickle (not sure of the right word) is that the Cologne police chief officer even recognized this event was out of the ordinary.....

For example, here was our Brussels New Year which was rather normal and then it gets "distorded" on some obscure website:
http://newobserveronline.com/the-future-beckons-muslims-rampage-in-brussels/
I personally laughed when I read this article this morning :o)

In Köln case, you have to put yourself in the shoes of common people who have children (rather teens than kids obviously) and ask yourself if that's the society you want them to live in, being scared to go out on new year eve....
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catpower1980: snip
Welcome to Germany!

I'm surprised that there was actually a newspaper article about it, since the papers are keeping a very low profile on those things thanks to massive political pressure of the CDU in order to save face, supported by the radical antinationalists that still think all is fine and dandy and banish people from their own midst who got to experience reality.

There is no way to know what's really going on if you are not around, the mass media is covering everything up and the few nationalists are using whatever they can get, not caring about the accuracy either.

I've seen happenings of quite big proportions in northern Germany that are nowhere to be found in any paper and therefore didn't happen in the public eye.
Post edited January 05, 2016 by Klumpen0815
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Klumpen0815: I've seen happenings of quite big proportions in northern Germany that are nowhere to be found in any paper and therefore didn't happen in the public eye.
What of big proportions happened there?
What a very confusing story. It would be interesting to have more information on it.
I'm not quite sure how a group of 1000 people can be witnessed assaulting others. Were these witnesses far away enough to see 1000 people at once? Was there a riot? Was a battle going on? Did witnesses see (and recall seeing and differentiate) 1000 people in separate incidents attacking people?
Why have there only been 60 complaints filed? Did 60 gangs of 16 people perform each attack? Or perhaps there were actually 100 attacks and there were 100 gangs of 10 people each? Or were there 200 people attacked, and there were 200 separate gangs of 5 people each?
Was there a 1000 strong party going on in the area and 60 attacks occured and the entire 1000 was blamed for it?
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Robette: This relates to Poland how
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fronzelneekburm: I guess the point is that Germans shouldn't shit themselves over Polish media, since the Gleichschaltung is already in full effect in their own country.

You are from China?

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Rincewind81: dancing with physical contact with people to steal their belongings
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fronzelneekburm: That's rich, is that a new pc euphemism for surrounding, groping and robbing women?
No, it is a describtion of the so called "Antanztrick". You have to get close to your victim to steal stuff. Dancing in a crowd at a celebration can make this much more easy. Your victim is dancing with you and it is a lot easier to pick their pockets. Fun part is that this might be a nice and fun experience - until you realize that your money and mobile is gone...
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babark: Was there a 1000 strong party going on in the area and 60 attacks occured and the entire 1000 was blamed for it?
Mostly this.
Post edited January 05, 2016 by Rincewind81
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Klumpen0815: I've seen happenings of quite big proportions in northern Germany that are nowhere to be found in any paper and therefore didn't happen in the public eye.
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jamotide: What of big proportions happened there?
Supermarkets closed due to constant freeloading, a Lidl and a an Aldi, at least those are the ones I know of and where I'm around. I've heard similar stuff from other parts and it's always the same story:
Packing as many carts full with as much stuff as is fitting in, leaving with it and saying "Deutschland zahlt für uns" ("Germany is paying for us").
Stores that are outside of big centres (with own security) had this problem repeatedly in the last months but I've never found an article about it and knowing someone who works in the press I can imagine why this is the case.

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babark: Was there a 1000 strong party going on in the area and 60 attacks occured and the entire 1000 was blamed for it?
Seems like it, yes. As I've said, getting accurate information has become increasingly difficult thanks to propaganda from all sides.
Post edited January 05, 2016 by Klumpen0815
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catpower1980: snip
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Klumpen0815: Welcome to Germany!

I'm surprised that there was actually a newspaper article about it,
Are you kiddin?

Front Page of Spiegel Online, Front Page of Sueddeutsche.de, It is the main article of nearly every german online media.