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This is my favourite topic
Posted January 07, 2016
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Tarm: It's not going to blow up I think. Though it might be the start for real changes in either direction.
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catpower1980: Ah, if only we had a time machine to see the future ^o^
It's more exciting this way. ;)
Posted January 07, 2016
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catpower1980: To laugh a little bit, Paris is now in Germany according to Trump:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/685089631973601280
Hey, that isn`t Judd Trump!!! FAKE!!!!! You`re a fraud!!!!
Posted January 07, 2016
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catpower1980: Ah, if only we had a time machine to see the future ^o^
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Tarm: It's more exciting this way. ;)
I must admit that since the Aylan media coverage, I'm keeping track of news (from both official and "alternative" medias) then crosses them with the overall feelings on various forums (ranging from extreme-lefts to extreme-rights tendencies and all in-betweens) as we're currently facing some European History (yeah, with a capital H) in realtime and it's quite fascinating regardless of my own opinions....

Who knows, maybe after a few years, I could write a book with all this stuff :o)

EDIT: for example, the Köln event is maybe not a terrorist attack like in Paris but it's playing the same effect on the public opinion
Post edited January 07, 2016 by catpower1980
Posted January 07, 2016
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Tarm: It's more exciting this way. ;)
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catpower1980: I must admit that since the Aylan media coverage, I'm keeping track of news (from both official and "alternative" medias) then crosses them with the overall feelings on various forums (ranging from extreme-lefts to extreme-rights tendencies and all in-betweens) as we're currently facing some European History (yeah, with a capital H) in realtime and it's quite fascinating regardless of my own opinions....

Who knows, maybe after a few years, I could write book with all this stuff :o)
I hope you're taking notes. :)
Yeah it kind of feels like something you can say you watched happening to your grand kids.
Posted January 07, 2016
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MaGo72: A police man leaked an internal document describing the incidents and the situation on new years eve to some newspapers:

"Am Vorplatz und der Domtreppe befanden sich einige tausend meist männliche Personen mit Migrationshintergrund, die Feuerwerkskörper jeglicher Art und Flaschen wahllos in die Menschenmenge feuerten bzw. warfen. Am Parkraum angekommen, liefen viele aufgewühlte Passanten auf die Einsatzkräfte zu und berichteten unter anderem über die oben beschriebenen Zustände und über Schlägereien, Diebstähle, sexuelle Übergriffe an Frauen usw."

"Erschwerend bei der Räumung neben der Verständigung waren die körperlichen Zustände der Personen aufgrund des offensichtlichen massiven Alkoholgenusses und anderer berauschender Mittel (z.B. Joint). Ende der Räumung gegen circa 00.15 Uhr. Im weiteren Einsatzverlauf kam es immer wieder zu mehrfachen körperlichen Auseinandersetzungen vereinzelter Personen wie auch Personengruppen, Diebstählen und Raubdelikten an mehreren Ereignisorten gleichzeitig. Im Einsatzverlauf erschienen zahlreiche weinende und schockierte Frauen / Mädchen bei den eingesetzten Beamten und schilderten von sexuellen Übergriffen durch mehrere männliche Migranten/ -gruppen. Eine Identifizierung war leider nicht mehr möglich (siehe Punkt 8 u.a.)."!

"Zu Spitzenzeiten war es den eingesetzten Kräften nicht möglich, angefallene Strafanzeigen aufzunehmen. Neben den oben geschilderten Situationen kamen noch folgende Ereignisse/Vorfälle, die hier nicht alle aufgeführt werden, hinzu:

1. Zerreißen von Aufenthaltstiteln mit einem Grinsen im Gesicht und der Aussage: "Ihr könnt mir nix, hole mir Morgen einen Neuen."

2. "Ich bin Syrer, ihr müsst mich freundlich behandeln! Frau Merkel hat mich eingeladen."

3. Platzverweise wurden meist mit Zwang durchgesetzt. Betreffende Person tauchten immer wieder auf und machten sich einen Spaß aus der Situation. Ein Gewahrsam kam in dieser Lage aufgrund der Kapazitätsgrenze in der Dienststelle nicht in Betracht.

4. Bahnsteigsperrung aufgrund der Überfüllung. Reaktion: auf den Nebenbahnsteig, über das Gleis auf den überfüllten / abgesperrten Bahnsteig. Dies führte zu Gleissperrung da sich Personen im Gleis befanden, welche die Situation auf den Bahnsteigen nicht entschärfte.

5. Zustieg in die Züge nur über körperlichen Auseinandersetzungen - Recht des Stärkeren.

6. Im ganzen Bahnhof überall "Erbrochenes" und Stellen die als Toilette genutzt wurden.

7. Viele männliche Personen (Migranten) die ohne Reisabsichten in allen Bereichen des Bahnhofes ihren Rausch ausschliefen ( Bankschalter, Warteraum usw.).

8. Wurden Hilferufe von Geschädigten wahrgenommen, wurde ein Einschreiten der Kräfte durch Herumstehende (Mitglieder?) z.B. durch Verdichten des Personenringes / Massenbildung daran gehindert an die Betreffenden (Geschädigte/Zeugen/Täter) zu gelangen.

9. Geschädigte / Zeugen wurden vor Ort, bei Nennung des Täters bedroht oder im Nachgang verfolgt.

Aufgrund der ständigen Präsenz der Einsatzkräfte und aufmerksamer Passanten im Bahnhof, konnten vollendete Vergewaltigungen verhindert werden. Auffällig war zu dem die sehr hohe Anzahl an Migranten innerhalb der polizeilichen Maßnahmen der Landespolizei und im eigenen Zuständigkeitsbereich."

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http://www.sueddeutsche.de/panorama/interner-polizeibericht-eine-respektlosigkeit-wie-ich-sie-in-dienstjahren-noch-nicht-erlebt-habe-1.2808284

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/panorama/interner-polizeibericht-eine-respektlosigkeit-wie-ich-sie-in-dienstjahren-noch-nicht-erlebt-habe-1.2808284-2
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quisquid: More info getting through:
http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article150735341/Die-meisten-waren-frisch-eingereiste-Asylbewerber.html

Basically, police officers stated there that several previous official info concerning the attacks were not true. They state that they checked the identities/papers of about 100 people of whom a lot were temporarily held/arrested. Of those most were Syrians and got into the country recently as asylseekers. They are also saying now that the attacks were aimed at the sexual assault component and the robberies were just the byproduct.
Exactly what I've predicted a few months ago.

How about this:
If they want their muslim parallel culture, why not judge and punish them by Sharia law this one time?
A lot of flogging would have to take place and a lot of dicks would have to be hacked off, I guess.

Most Europeans just have no idea about the cultures they're trying to integrate.
I have regular contact to people from many different nations on the middle east and they can be quite nice, but you have to give them reasons to respect you otherwise they will make fun of your "sissy culture". People who don't hit back and set no boundaries are worth nothing in these cultures and will go down, that's what many people in Europe do not understand.
The strong one is always "right" in those situations and a white (infidel) woman without strong self-esteem, a good knife, proper skills and a group of her own will get fucked, that's the sad reality.

PS: Why is every migrant suddenly considered a refugee?
Post edited January 07, 2016 by Klumpen0815
Posted January 07, 2016
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Tarm: It's not going to blow up I think. Though it might be the start for real changes in either direction.
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catpower1980: Ah, if only we had a time machine to see the future ^o^
It's called living... ;)
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quisquid: snip

Basically, police officers stated there that several previous official info concerning the attacks were not true. They state that they checked the identities/papers of about 100 people of whom a lot were temporarily held/arrested. Of those most were Syrians and got into the country recently as asylseekers. They are also saying now that the attacks were aimed at the sexual assault component and the robberies were just the byproduct.
This is sad if true. It's what I suspected and implied already though.

I guess it's theoretically possible that the Koln culture affected these people very fast or something...

Anyway, this is the tragedy of being blindly anti-differentiation rather than the traditional anti-discrimination. Some people need and deserve help. Some people need help but don't deserve it. Some deserve it and don't need it. Some neither deserve nor need it.

Welfare without any sort of selection / merit constraints is failing more and more spectacularly. The unrestrained desire to help others is unfortunately not enough to achieve the desired outcomes.
Post edited January 07, 2016 by Brasas
Posted January 07, 2016
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catpower1980: Ah, if only we had a time machine to see the future ^o^
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Brasas: It's called living... ;)
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quisquid: snip

Basically, police officers stated there that several previous official info concerning the attacks were not true. They state that they checked the identities/papers of about 100 people of whom a lot were temporarily held/arrested. Of those most were Syrians and got into the country recently as asylseekers. They are also saying now that the attacks were aimed at the sexual assault component and the robberies were just the byproduct.
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Brasas: This is sad if true. It's what I suspected and implied already though.
Yeah it do sound more and more like what was reported happening in Egypt to women during the revolution. If I remember it's not a new behaviour there. Though I don't know how widespread it is in that region.
Post edited January 07, 2016 by Tarm
Posted January 07, 2016
These days we see what happens when the soft and tender European political correctness culture meets a substantial amount of people coming from a harsh violent patriarchal culture.
The floodgates are open and the soft days are over, prepare for either adapting or going down.
Posted January 07, 2016
BTW, seems like same type of assaults happened in Zurich (Switzerland) on a smaller scale:

German:
http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/zuerich/region/auch-in-zuerich-anzeigen-von-belaestigten-frauen/story/27809053

French:
http://www.20min.ch/ro/news/suisse/story/Des-agressions-sexuelles-a-Zurich-aussi-24723554
Posted January 07, 2016
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MaGo72: A police man leaked an internal document describing the incidents and the situation on new years eve to some newspapers:....
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Tarm: Can we get a English translation please?
The article is gone from the main page of the Sueddeutsche Zeitung after 4 1/2 hours and gone from the Spiegel main page after 4 hours.

Sadly there is no translation for the article from the Sueddeutsche Zeitung which had the exact wording of the internal police report. Only the Spiegel article which is a much toned down version can be accessed in english.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/cologne-attacks-on-new-years-produced-chaos-say-police-a-1070894.html
Posted January 07, 2016
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Tarm: Can we get a English translation please?
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MaGo72: The article is gone from the main page of the Sueddeutsche Zeitung after 4 1/2 hours and gone from the Spiegel main page after 4 hours.

Sadly there is no translation for the article from the Sueddeutsche Zeitung which had the exact wording of the internal police report. Only the Spiegel article which is a much toned down version can be accessed in english.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/cologne-attacks-on-new-years-produced-chaos-say-police-a-1070894.html
Aha, looks like they don`t want the people to know the thruth.
Posted January 07, 2016
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catpower1980: To laugh a little bit, Paris is now in Germany according to Trump:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/685089631973601280
I don't care what you think of Trump's politics, morals or business practices, the man is obviously not an idiot or uneducated. He's been a highly successful businessman for decades. Donald Trump knows that Paris is in France and not in Germany. It's obvious what he's saying (whether you agree with his points or not).

I always find it fascinating that otherwise intelligent people will believe the most ridiculous things as long as it agrees with their ideology (in this case, that Trump is a simpleton). Use a little common sense.
Posted January 07, 2016
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Klumpen0815: These days we see what happens when the soft and tender European political correctness culture meets a substantial amount of people coming from a harsh violent patriarchal culture.
The floodgates are open and the soft days are over, prepare for either adapting or going down.
Reading the police report was tough as it stated without any dancing around words what the situation was between 22:45 and 7:45 in Cologne at the central station. And all the statements made by politicians look like desperately trying to control the situation by transferring the violence/attacks on the male gender as a whole or saying, well there where not that many migrants, only organized crime groups and the harassment is part of their manner to steal stuff.

It is a clear statement which contradicts the main narrative heard from politicians in the last days.
Post edited January 07, 2016 by MaGo72
Posted January 07, 2016
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Klumpen0815: These days we see what happens when the soft and tender European political correctness culture meets a substantial amount of people coming from a harsh violent patriarchal culture.
The floodgates are open and the soft days are over, prepare for either adapting or going down.
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MaGo72: Reading the police report was tough as it stated without any dancing around words what the situation was between 22:45 and 7:45 in Cologne at the central station. And all the statements made by politicians look like desperately trying to control the situation by transferring the violence/attacks on the male gender as a whole or saying, well there where not that many migrants, only organized crime groups and the harassment is part of their manner to steal stuff.
Yes and keep in mind, that it happened a week ago and is not even real news.
They're trying to keep it under the rug for a whole week now and without the Internet they probably would have succeeded, but you know what happens when you throw a sheet over an elephant, it won't prevent people from seeing that there is an elephant in the room.

What really boggles my mind is, that Merkel still isn't gone and the CDU is still allowed to desperately try to save face.
Post edited January 07, 2016 by Klumpen0815
Posted January 07, 2016
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Robette: The police has clearly stated that they have no reason to believe that refugees where involved in this.
I guess that's not accurate anymore.

How surprisingly.
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