What I left above is our fundamental disagreement in a nutshell Vaina. I don't at all disagree with most of what you wrote. And yet I couldn't disagree more about what I think is your core position and the logic here exemplified.

I know you are inteligent, so you should see your assertion is somewhat incomplete. Your quote from the Koln police can indeed be true (I think it is), AND yet the connection to Islam still be a causal one. * Right? Because the correlation is obvious from context. By which I mean something broader than Koln carnival context which you are presenting brilliantly (not ironic).

Despite that, I think you are hugely missing the forest of culturally derived misogyny in Europe, for the tree of "inebriation and organized crime just happened to change gang distraction tactics". I mean, let's think logically. When you outnumber theft victims by 10 to one, do you need to distract them at all? OR is this a way to kill two birds with one stone so to speak?

* As you know, I don't mean ONLY the poverty and oppression causes crime causality. Not denying that plays a part. I'm not dogmatic about multiple causes.

It's definitely killing two birds with one stone, yes.
It's definitely culturally derived misogyny, yes.

We just fundamentally disagree what culture that is.

Putting this into the full context of my awareness, Cologne has e.g. a problem with certain mostly Turkish young boys and men using misogyny as a way to establish dominance. Fundamentalist muslim men of Turkish subcultures may even murder girls of the family that dare to be too "western". PROBLEM! Definitely, problem!

Yet this here, not the pattern, sorry! We've ruled out fundamentalist Muslim due to the alcohol levels, and we've approached the topic of possible systemic religious misogyny by establishing a greater religious diversity among the prime suspects. And even if those suspects were largely Muslim (which I don't think!), we'd still first look at upbringing, poverty and lack of education among those subcultures as primary reasons for misogyny. Religion, sure, because extremist and fundamentalist practice of religion always seems to encompass misogyny, be it Islam or Christianity or Judaism or Hinduism. But I assure you, on New Year's Eve, there weren't a whole lot of religious fundamentalists at Cologne Central Station.

I definitely also stand by the idea that the model for precisely this observed treatment of women stems not from Muslim, but indeed Cologne tradition. I understand that this particular part of my suspicions is very hard to grasp for the people not familiar with it.

Western people are seeing misogyny everywhere nowadays exept where it actually exists very plain and clearly.
Wtf is wrong with people?

This is interesting.
Do you really mean to say, that Islam in all or at least most of its forms isn't misogynistic?

He talks like one desperately trying to not get accused of being a racist. This talk is all over the media here in Sweden.

Little update:
The criminal complaints have grown in number, it`s more than 100 now! The police now has three(!), -yep, three- suspects now!!!

I know and it's quite bizarre since he called me a patriarchal misogynist etc... more than once for "reasons" I didn't understand at all.
Who cares about real-life sexual assaults and rapes when you can denounce masses of pro gender-equality gamers of misogyny?...
Too much irony, I can't cope with that.

Don't worry, at least your tinfoil hat is protecting you from all of this ;-P

This is the most differentiated comment I read about the incident so far:

http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/koeln-silvester-mob-und-gegenmob-kolumne-a-1070724.html

Well, this guy basically says."People who want to protect women are racists, because they want to protect women!".
So, what a dumbfuck is this guy?

Maybe you should read it again.

I don't know the level of German skills of PaterAlf but what I understand (through google translate) from this part of the text (and the paragrapah following it) is that the author follows this kind of logic:

Author of the article: "groups of racist men starts some vengeful mobs to vaguely defend women and fight foreigners but it's only an excuse as they don't care about women and patronize them in general"

Damn, maybe I should have learned German instead of Dutch as a third language ^o^

Well, then you should work on your reading comprehensive skills.

The comment very clearly condemns sexual harassment and the things that happened that day. It also says that people should stand up against these crimes. But it also says that people shouldn't react with a counter-mob that fights each and everyone who looks similar to the offenders ("Zivilisiert zu sein bedeutet, nacheinander neun Schwarzhaarigen zu begegnen, die sich alle als Arschlöcher erweisen, und trotzdem dem zehnten Schwarzhaarigen nicht deshalb in die Fresse zu hauen.").

It also says that this can be problematic and hard ("Hier ist der Scheidepunkt, und er ist schmerzhaft, weil Differenzierung nur eine Armlänge von Verharmlosung entfernt ist. Und weil die berechtigte Erschütterung über die Angriffe zu Wut führt, also der am wenigsten nach Hintergründen und Zusammenhängen fragenden Emotion.").

The one point that you criticize (but which is true in my eyes) is probably that he also clearly states that many people that complain the loudest now, don't care about the sexual harasment (and sexism) that happens each and every day.
You can be sure that as a native speaker my German skills are very good. ;)

And yes, what you quoted is in the comment, but just part of it (I guess the rest is harder to understand with google translate). Otherwise I wouldn't have said that it is a differretiated comment.

When I see "Christmas Island" in your profile, I visualize you more like a kind of Jamaican speaking in Creole :o)

Well, the picture in my head is one white bearded old man in a red dress, sitting on a sleigh. But that`s off topic, I guess!! :-)