Ah, you mean Lukas Podolski?

And Miro Klose... etc.

Sure. Will do tomorrow.

Ah yeah. Strange: There is even a polish SS-officer! Weird!!!
Well, I´m just visiting!!! :-)

You mean one half of Poland was German? *cough*
Also...

I truly enjoy seeing the way the initial kneejerkism subsided - in the very first I read about this some hours ago it was clearly stated refugees were not particularly involved - and the persons pressing charges would probably know, from hearing their alleged attackers speaking or some such observation...

I would like to take advantage of the surprising interest in objective facts and objective context that some of you have shown and ask a few simple questions with difficult answers:
- In how many of the past say 20 new years celebrations in Koln was there any group (2 or more attackers) rape reported?
- Same as above but for all of Germany, yet limited to new years and occurring in the smack center of a town the size of Koln?
- For any given year in Germany, what is the ethnical breakdown of alleged rapists? Of convicted rapists?
- How do such percentages compare to overall ethnicity breakdowns in the general population?

I'm willing to be convinced this is nothing special as Vaina for example is implying between the lines. But of course, there is that pesky broader context, evident for example in Sweden or Rotterham, surfacing from time to time and always despite attempts to control or repress the disclosure of the facts by government entities.

Why are muslims involved disproportionately in certain kinds of crime? Of organized crime even... Does being an alleged oppressed minority cause misogyny? I mean there must be some reason for the presumed anger of the oppressed to be channeled particularly at women? Can't be cultural of course. There is for sure nothing inherent in Islamic culture that could be contributing to cause this.

Yeah, right. Peace via submission indeed.

I have noting against inmigrants, my own grandparents were (in the US and pre-Castro Cuba), but these gangs of sex offenders should be deported to their respective native shithole. Of course, there are also local sex offenders here and in Germany, but they use to act alone or in small groups. There is a huge cultural problem when hundreds of people colaborate to do it, it reminds me Tahir square in Egypt, where some women were violated in front of the crowd.

there was one reported case of rape. It's totally futile to turn that 1 case into a statistic i think.
And let's not forget that the large majority of filed charges on that night are about theft.
Trying to turn that into another debate about culture,islam and misogyny seems somewhat out of place.

side note:
sexual assault is an ever present problem during the Oktoberfest in Munich. They actually have a facility and staff on-site to look after the women/girls who fell victim to that.

And this is the strange part. Just for rape crimes during the Octoberfest, the average number is 10 reported cases per year - the estimated number of unreported cases is up to 200! Sexual assaults are "normal" during this time and most of the outcry right now is from people who ignored this or even blamed the vicitims.

"Numerous sexual aggressions in the new year's eve in Cologne."

The translation of the French title.

And the Flemish ones...?

ALAAF AKBAR!!!

Is it futile? The answers are difficult but I think valuable, so if you have the statistics that disprove my implications show me. :) You can't because in Europe they are not published. When they do, like in Sweden, well...

I think truly futile is pretending this is an isolated case without any context. Futile is also trying to make the only context that matters be about substance abuse or organized crime or mass revelry. Futile is acting as if there is absolutely no problem derived from the lack of proper assimilation policies preferred by multiculturalism.

You and I know very well that this is exactly the place for debating Islam, culture and misogyny. And what is really futile is to dismiss valid concerns. Or rather, to dismiss the attempt at ascertaining their factual validity.

Many here are doing very good at calming down those discussions from their irrational kneejerk emotional ways. Which is great - because it allows the same discussion to happen calmly. But where are the statistics?

Seems to me many don't want to have that discussion at all and any excuse serves... there's nothing to see here... move along, move along citizen... worrying is futile, we're taking care of everything...