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nightcraw1er.488: ... it’s actually illegal in Germany to request full DOB.
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toxicTom: Sorry to disappoint you, it's not. Only what you can do with the information is heavily restricted by GDPR (to which a lot of the sometimes rather strict German rules contributed).

GOG is pretty much on the safe side, because they don't ask your full name. Only the combination of full name and DOB makes people identifiable (somewhat). In my case the full name would be more critical, since afaik I'm the only person in the world with that exact name, while countless people share my birthday.
It is, am not going to divulge any information as to why I know this, however we have different requirements for different countries, and one of those is that only year of birth is allowed to be captured.

In terms of data, companies and hackers, are all building profiles, linking data points from many websites and linking them. So yes, whilst many people have the same DOB, that can be linked with other sources like social media. Any data on the internet, even if thought to be deleted like emails is effectively public information.
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kohlrak: You ain't getting agony.
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/games_that_are_unofficially_confirmed_for_release_in_the_future_part_2/post12741

I wish, since there's nothing better than a self-pity party and wailing and gnashing of teeth on the forum.
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nightcraw1er.488: It is, am not going to divulge any information as to why I know this, however we have different requirements for different countries, and one of those is that only year of birth is allowed to be captured.
In Germany the problem is that a "contract made by a minor" is "pending void". If the parents say NO, it's like it didn't happen. So asking the DOB is a last line of defence for companies. If "the minor" lies about it, the company could actually sue for damages (if the "minor" was not "too minor" - little kids go free, because kids do shit all the time).
So, you can ask the DOB if you have a "valid interest" in the data. Companies - with above explanation - can claim "valid interest". And they do - most German online shops ask your DOB at account creation, and as a required field. If it were "illegal", like you wrote, they wouldn't do it.
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GamezRanker: I keep seeing people saying similar, and I ask: what's the problem with (some) more games? It's not like everyone has to buy them.
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Sarafan: It's probably because people see what's going on on Steam. Try to find a really valuable indie game in the masses of games that are released there every day. It's easy if a game gains popularity for some reasons, but before that, it's just impossible. I don't want a situation in which good games vanish in the crowd.
Let's be clear, Steam and GOG differ in quantity, not in quality. Same with itch. Have you seen some of the new releases in the past month or so? We have this problem where people want everything in one place, but we also have this problem where people want to find things in that central place. The market is saturated, especially since you don't have to know any programming to make a game. Making a game is like making a vlog in difficulty, and you'll even see peopel do both at the same time. Obviously, the pareto pattern says that 80% of them are trash, And only 5% are not mediocre, and only about 1% are going to become known, and 0.2% actually get popular (and sometimes this seems or actually is unfair). The challenge of steam, gog, and all these other platforms is to somehow manage that for us. Of course, gog has some obvious politically derived biases, and biases based on corporate connections. This means GOG is not going to be a reliable arbiter.

So how do you deal with a massive platform? Well, can I recommend we take a site that you won't buy games from for a minute? Seeing as you won't buy games from the site i'm going to mention, would it not be reasonable that your own biases might not apply? Ok, hopefully this link doesn't get trashed, since i put a few anti-biases (but also removed NSFW games) in the search. What do you see there? The the search is sorting "games" (including visual novels) based on their popularity on the site.

The first one you'll notice has a bit of it's own politics on the site. However, there's plenty more, but they're not on the top like this one. I assure you that Hatoful boyfriend being on the list (might move around before you get around to clicking it) is pretty high on the list. Live2d foxgirl game is really interesteing, given it's got an uncensored version on the other side of the site. Eventually you'll be able to get your hands on Absented Age, which is on the list, and you'll notice that it has a ton of positive feedback (They're working on an english translation, supposedly, so whether or not it's trash, we'll soon find out since it'll be released on steam and drm-free on dlsite). You'll notice Recettear, as well (not english, so it didn't need to be removed like the gog edition). All the way back on page 4 is Scarlet Curiosity whcih i remember reading somewhere won some award and got translated due to it's popularity, and now is a title on PS4.

But the point wasn't to talk about how great dlsite is. The point is to show you what's wrong with platforms like steam and gog. You see, the primary filter is by current popularity, and they do indeed move around on a daily basis, so by the time you're reading this, what you see vs what i see are different. Now GOG and steam have these features, as well, but they don't have a dedicated indie section (which is the default on dlsite, might i add, as professional games are thrown into a different section). The 東方 (touhou) games are clearly biased popular, with the top game at any given moment being 東方18, unconnected marketers, the most recent official game in the series. Oh, the problem is revealing itself? We have indie devs who are of a much, much higher status than other indie devs? We sometimes have "indie devs" that aren't actually indie devs? Oh well, the site's popularity-based promotion seems to be based entirely on user input, of various types. But, now, does GOG and Steam apply the same rules? When CP2077 and The Witcher are topping the sales, especually during major sales, do we honestly believe that? What about some ofthe other games? How about the reviews? Gamergate didn't happen in Japan, so games are going to be reviwed most likely based on the actual material vs advertisement (whether or not the customer was satisfied, although they do have an approval process for written reviews), not "Tonight We will Riot is part of my team" or "Tonight We will Riot is against my team!"

When you realize the problem, and the source of it, you realize that maybe curation is only adding to the problem, but making it seem like less of a problem.
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nightcraw1er.488: It is, am not going to divulge any information as to why I know this, however we have different requirements for different countries, and one of those is that only year of birth is allowed to be captured.
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toxicTom: In Germany the problem is that a "contract made by a minor" is "pending void". If the parents say NO, it's like it didn't happen. So asking the DOB is a last line of defence for companies. If "the minor" lies about it, the company could actually sue for damages (if the "minor" was not "too minor" - little kids go free, because kids do shit all the time).
So, you can ask the DOB if you have a "valid interest" in the data. Companies - with above explanation - can claim "valid interest". And they do - most German online shops ask your DOB at account creation, and as a required field. If it were "illegal", like you wrote, they wouldn't do it.
You do realize this applies to US and UK as well, right? Probably more, but I'm aware this is one of those lesser known things about the US and UK law. When i took my law class back in highschool, one of the things we were interested in asking was if this was the case, what prevents us from going to walmart, buying things, and forcing them to take them back with legal threat. The simple answer was, "Walmart can legally ban you from the store in response to abuse of this legal principle."
Post edited July 21, 2021 by kohlrak
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kohlrak: Obviously, the pareto pattern says that 80% of them are trash, And only 5% are not mediocre, and only about 1% are going to become known, and 0.2% actually get popular (and sometimes this seems or actually is unfair).
This doesn't sound right. Pareto's principle is that 80% of consequences happen because of 20% of the people. If 80% of the games produced are bad, then by this logic, it's 20% of the gamedevs that are causing all the problems.

I think you instead mean the Gaussian bell curve, which is similar to the Pareto's principle in that the extremes of the tails cause problems for the rest of the population. ~80% of most games will be within 3 standard deviations of the average. It's only the top 8-10% of games that are of exceptional quality whereas most are around average with the last 8-10% being extremely poor.
Post edited July 21, 2021 by MeowCanuck
I've never seen the warning.
But then I have my birth date set in Account Settings.
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Timboli: I've never seen the warning.
But then I have my birth date set in Account Settings.
Good call, I bet that's it. For some reason, I put something in there as well, not realizing you could leave it blank, and I have yet to see that warning.
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kohlrak: Obviously, the pareto pattern says that 80% of them are trash, And only 5% are not mediocre, and only about 1% are going to become known, and 0.2% actually get popular (and sometimes this seems or actually is unfair).
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MeowCanuck: This doesn't sound right. Pareto's principle is that 80% of consequences happen because of 20% of the people. If 80% of the games produced are bad, then by this logic, it's 20% of the gamedevs that are causing all the problems.

I think you instead mean the Gaussian bell curve, which is similar to the Pareto's principle in that the extremes of the tails cause problems for the rest of the population. ~80% of most games will be within 3 standard deviations of the average. It's only the top 8-10% of games that are of exceptional quality whereas most are around average with the last 8-10% being extremely poor.
Pareto distribution is not strictly negative consequences. The original explanation was actually positive: that 80% of the wealth is created by 20% of the people. Then people realized that, at least as far as humans, it applies to just about everything. 20% of criminals will create 80% of crime, for example (didn't even check up on that). It's just that 20% of people will be good enough at whatever to make up 80% of the total (we seem to be reliving history with fatherhood starting to apply again, as well [a bit of an exaggeration, as it's still about 80:70 right now]). Better yet, it'll continue within those 20%s until you can't zoom in any further (you get below 10 people). It really makes sense when you start interviewing budding game deves, and you find most people are just stepping into something for about 1 hour tops and bail if it's unsuccessful (which is how people are with really anything).

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Timboli: I've never seen the warning.
But then I have my birth date set in Account Settings.
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Leroux: Good call, I bet that's it. For some reason, I put something in there as well, not realizing you could leave it blank, and I have yet to see that warning.
Y'uns win the readers of the year awards, as well as testers of the year. Try games with mature content, like Huniepop.
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kohlrak: Y'uns win the readers of the year awards, as well as testers of the year. Try games with mature content, like Huniepop.
Nope, no warnings for Huniepop or Succubus either.
Post edited July 21, 2021 by Leroux
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kohlrak: Let's be clear, Steam and GOG differ in quantity, not in quality. Same with itch. Have you seen some of the new releases in the past month or so?
I disagree. Less in quantity means that that less bad games will get into sale. This doesn't automatically mean that more good games will be allowed to be sold here of course, because almost all games that get into sale here, get into sale on Steam as well. So these numbers are comparable. The curation process should however lead to a point where games on GOG have a higher average rating than games on Steam.

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kohlrak: Of course, gog has some obvious politically derived biases, and biases based on corporate connections. This means GOG is not going to be a reliable arbiter.
The curation process is in its nature quite subjective, even if there are specified guidelines. We have to remember that games on GOG are curated by people not by machines. I don't think that GOG does a worse job than Steam. I haven't seen a trashy game on GOG for quite a while. It's not a problem to find one on Steam. For the sake of freedom of expression there should be a store which lets almost everything, but I don't want GOG to become one of them.

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kohlrak: But the point wasn't to talk about how great dlsite is. The point is to show you what's wrong with platforms like steam and gog. You see, the primary filter is by current popularity, and they do indeed move around on a daily basis, so by the time you're reading this, what you see vs what i see are different. Now GOG and steam have these features, as well, but they don't have a dedicated indie section (which is the default on dlsite, might i add, as professional games are thrown into a different section).
I don't think that an indie filter is necessary. Most of the games released on GOG are indie games. There are some AAA titles as well, but these are quite rare. What's the point of implementing such a system when most of the games would fall in this category?

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kohlrak: When CP2077 and The Witcher are topping the sales, especually during major sales, do we honestly believe that? What about some ofthe other games?
I think that CP2077 and the Witcher series are popular enough that manual messing with the bestseller list is quite pointless. These games don't need an additional promotion that distorts the list on bigger sales. So yeah, I believe these are accurate. Right now CP2077 is on the bottom of the list on the main page while Witcher 3 isn't there at all.
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Timboli: I've never seen the warning.
But then I have my birth date set in Account Settings.
Actually I have my birth date filled and I got this warning, so I'm not sure the system relies on this.
Post edited July 21, 2021 by Sarafan
The warning popped up for me when I accidentally clicked on Baldur's Gate III.
Got one for Cyberpunk 2077 so I used the option to return to store. Probably saved me a lot of money there.
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Mr.Mumbles: I was just going to check out the Genesis Alpha One store page when I got this "mature content" warning. That's the first time I've ever seen this, so I assume this is new? *shrug*
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nightcraw1er.488: Probably hanks to those Germans and their list. Was discussing it on the sleeping dogs thread and that is not available there as it’s 18, and gog have no vetting system, and I suggested they have the checkbox like steam where you say you are 18 or over, as that’s foolproof. Looks like they listened to me and added the most pointless feature ever.
Genesis Alpha One is definitely not on the German list.
What's this now?
Cyberpunk, Baldur's Gate 3, BioShock Infinite, The Witcher series, Singularity, both F.E.A.R. games and probably others as well (I can't be bothered to look now) come with a warning. HuniePop, Leisure Suit Larry and Tonight We Riot don't, cuz reasons.
What about Fallout? Both 3 and New Vegas are apparently targeted at mature audiences. That doesn't apply to the classics though.
S.T.A.L.K.E.R.? All of a sudden, Call of Pripyat is more adult-oriented than Shadow of Chernobyl or Clear Sky.
Seems legit. Fair enough? Alright then.
Post edited July 21, 2021 by patrikc
Where's the warning for people over the age of 17 but aren't mature?