OMG, you're so offensive. I'm going to just call you names and condescendingly alert everyone to how wrong what you just said was, and then end this post without any real content because I was just pandering to my crowd.

Splendid! I'm going to do the same, except I'm right because clearly I have the moral highground and am doing it for the poor little peoples of weak wills and fragile hearts. Those tender souls out there who need a crusader to come to their aid, and me with nothing better to do, plan to fight for all their feelz. Maybe you should get a high horse if you want to play on my level.

No, because "hate speech" is directed against someone for what they are, not what they do or say. If your victim is black, white, Arab, East Asian, inciting hatred on that basis is a crime. If your victim male, female, gay, lesbian or transgender, inciting hatred on that basis is a crime. If you're Christian, Muslim, Jewish or Atheist, inciting hatred on that basis is a crime (and let's be clear, a person's religion is very distinct from what crimes they choose to commit using that religion as an excuse).

If I called you a yankee cunt, THAT would be bordering on "hate speech" because you can't really help being American.

Political convictions, however, are fair game. They are choices made, not states of being.

Then again, I wonder how much of it is a "choice" on your part, because you seem to be parroting the same shite from Breitbart et al. without much understanding of what "hate speech" actually is.
While I'm not entirely in disagreement with your point - I do agree that the EU is flawed but absolutely necessary, and efforts should go towards its reform as opposed to its downfall - and while I have no particular love for the CDU, quoting them as "terrible" is a bit strange. Merkel has been an ineffective chancellor, I'll give you that much, and Germany has definitely been on a downhill slope since she got into power (putting superficial economic figures above actual social stability), but the CDU is one of the least worst of a bad bunch.

The "Christian" in "Christian Democrats" really doesn't have any bearing on their policy at all. I was trying to find a Russian equivalent, until it dawned on me that all Russian parties are either some flavour of left-wing, right-wing extremist, or right-wing populist (like Yedinaya Rossia in the latter case).

I'm still undecided on my vote next year, but I'll tell you what - it'd sooner go to Merkel than it would to the Left Party or AfD (but it probably won't go to Merkel - I'm edging towards spoiling my ballot paper)

I'm pretty sure press freedom rank 49 doesn't get to whine about the "censored" "style" of number 12. Maybe grab your own balls first?

Here as well. Wrong balls. The mass and total surveillance initiated, perpetuated, furthered, condoned and very well financed by your own government, regardless of political position – right or what you call your "left" – has well exceeded anything George Orwell had ever imagined.

They do ? and of course all the members of the EU have voted for it, just like we 'voted' for them :D
well i havent seen anything about voting for anything EU related back then, and i havent voted and would not vote for these people that are the 'heads' of EU.
So they live in a dreamworld, and think it can become an Utopia, well Utopia doesnt exist and will never exist., so maybe their dreams have been shattered, i guess the big EU bosses arent being realistic and still believe in fairytales.

There seem to be some rumors about merging germany with the netherlands ? and maybe another part to form one 'nation' .... ? I guess its nonsense, and if it were true it would be ridiculous to do that.


As for objective, Germany being objective ? maybe, miracles do tend to happen once in a gazillion years so there is still some hope left for all of us, but they would need another 'leader' and Merkel should step down, and should never be allowed to have a job where she can control things like she does now, maybe they could put here to do some floor sweeping with a broom, maybe she's familiar with a broom (wizard of ozz) who knows?

Juncker should be getting a sweep job aswell, maybe assistent to Merkel when they sweep the floors.
TTip another mess, chlorinated chickens ? what's happening to the world?

I heard that before .... i think Dave (mr cameron talked about that alot)
lets be honest: EU (brussels) cant reform , does not want to reform, Juncker and Merkel cant reform, wont reform
its best they were assigned other jobs like cleaning the streets, and mopping up dirty office floors, clean some windows (there are plent windows to clean on the big building they work in)

i mean when Juncker is saying: that politicians listen too much to their voters

check attachment: quotes

a few google results copied and paste on this image, and there are tons more of these dumb remarks the EU makes, something like this will never reform, reassign to sweeping floors, cleaning leftovers from the office tables
clean trashcans , that would be usefull job for them.

As for fearmongering after countries leave EU: when people start a new business there will always be some risks involved, and this might be the case after leaving, but think of all the benefits, fact is people have become so weak, they are afraid to take risks, to face a challenge, life is full of challenges which can be met and overcome with succes, but this will only work outside the EU.... staying in is not an option, if they do ( im afraid they will stay) this will put everyone back to standby and sleep modus ...zzzz... and the shits will hit the fan for ever, and its lights out.

It's telling you're conflating things like race, sex, sexual orientation which can't be changed with religion which most certainly can in Western pluralist democracies. I don't see why Christianity or Islam (whose adherents are often highly dismissive of "unbelievers" and have universal claims) should be protected anymore than politicial convictions...those religions are just another form of ideology, and all ideologies (and their adherents) should be fair game even for the most acerbic criticism. Making Christians or Muslims into some sort of officially protected group is unacceptable and will only inflame tensions.
As for you spoiling your vote...good idea, please do that...in any case, don't vote CDU :-)))))
I like that idea :-)

Roger Köppel is the new rising star in the swiss right-wing party SVP. He takes a rather controversial approach, even within his own party.
Don't get me wrong he is rhetorically brilliant, but with his mindset possibly the worst case you could pick as a "Swiss standard".

Well, no, you can't change your religion. Even if you believe nothing, that's still effectively a religion, and is still open to politicisation as we can see with fuckwits like Richard Dawkins. You can politicise any state of being really. An analogue would be the black rights movements in the US, or the suffragettes in the 19th century, or the corresponding "not so nice" versions of these (extreme feminism, black supremacy groups etc.)

What you're conflating is religion with the political exercise of that religion. Your private beliefs and your right to private worship are protected by the constitution and the law. Your public expression of your religion is subject to the same laws as any form of expression. Proselytisation is a form of politicisation.

I'm an atheist, but I'm not a political atheist. While I advocate the separation of church and state for the benefit of all concerned (to create a level playing field for all concerned), I don't consider myself superior to any follower of any other religion. In fact I have a healthy envy of the ability of some people to take comfort in believing that there is some higher being watching over them. We all hold a belief that cannot be proven, whatever form that takes. As soon as I assert my atheism to suppress or attack the religious rights of others, I become a political atheist.

Personally, I have no problem with any human being of any race, religion, gender or sexual orientation. However, I have a big, swollen fucker of a problem with any person who decides to politicise race, religion or gender for any reason than to highlight genuine discrmination issues.

i assume you dont like the idea juncker proposed: " politicians listen too much to their voters"
and you like mopping up dirty office floors done by merkel and juncker ?

check this : just stubled on it while searching the latets news:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/01/brexit-two-thirds-forsee-no-negative-impact-their-finances#comments


And read the huge amount of replies....

aha, i'm glad you mentioned the magical words:

bureaucracy involved
reliant on the VAT agreements between EU member states
have been forced to establish offices in EU countries
at great expense and ferry jobs between Switzerland, France and Germany.

these are a few of the many reasons why its a mess, too much regulations forced by a minority (200plus people in the EU (brussels) who decide what will happen to 500 million people (maybe even more)
worst thing is the age of the people involved that messed up, 1 big group (brussels) can never decide whats best for 24 plus countries, it does not work, and will never work, thats the cause of all major f- ups being made by these people, one 'size' does not fit all, everyone is different, besides the big guys are only in for the money

Another one for the road: check attachment, 740procent.png screenshot of the search result
Also be sure to watch the brexit movie till the end, it seems you can download a version which might come in handy incase EU starts to remove certain videos :D

EU = BAD

EU asumes too much, there's a nice line from a steven seagal movie : Under Siege 2 ( a very good movie)

Assumption is the mother of all f...... HD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbPa3MGlVS8

Right, well, I'm sat here trying to make head-or-tail out of your incoherent mess of grammar there, but I will say this: quoting the Daily Mail isn't the best way to be taken seriously. Here's a hint for UK publications:

Good: BBC, Reuters
Bad because too far left: Guardian, Observer, Independent. HuffPost
Bad because too far right: Mirror, Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph

Got it?

Also, Breitbart, just in case you're contemplating quoting it, is an absolute no-go.

2020? please noooooooooooooo ! the horror, i cant stand the thought 3 more years with this .... i cant find the right name for this 'thing..'.

Right, I think I've managed to decipher what you're trying to say.

What in the actual fuck does that have to do with customs processes? If you have to deal with customs and VAT in different countries, the bureaucracy is pretty much the same wherever you do business: the US, Germany, Mexico, Japan, China, wherever. You sign up for VAT, you deal with quality standards, you deal with customs fees etc. etc. etc. An MEP is paid a base salary of €96,240. By comparison, UK MPs are paid €94,190 (usually much more, were it not for the incredibly weak pound right now), German MPs are paid €108,984, in France it's €85,201. In the US, members of Congress are paid over twice those amounts, while members of the Japanese diet are paid €127,932 a year, so overpaid politicians is not a uniquely European phenomenon. All these figures do not include expenses accounts.

Comparing an elected official's pay to that of a simple office worker is bizarre, to put it mildly. But then, it's difficult to really be surprised by anyone who quotes the Daily Mail as truth.

I've already seen it. Leni Riefenstahl would have been proud.