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What I don't get is how the bulk of the people who are enraged by this have no problem being able to tell people who they can marry, if they can marry, or where they should have to piss. :P
*DING DING*
''FIGHT YOU BITCHES,FIGHT''!!!
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tinyE: What I don't get is how the bulk of the people who are enraged by this have no problem being able to tell people who they can marry, if they can marry, or where they should have to piss. :P
Maybe it's like that in the US where gay marriage and now transgenderism have become big issues in the culture wars...these issues are much less pronounced in Europe.
Natural phenomenon, only to be expected. As i have said many times before and have been downvoted, "Democracy" IS NOT actually, democracy. This word is a paradox, in and by itself! We live in a neo-feudal era in which everyone uses words that they do not, cannot, aren't able to understand, meanings completely devoid of content, sense, or actual manifestation in reality and no one actually spots or understands the FASCISM and OPPRESSION, lurking in each and every corner out there! If you are not a politically correct, boot-licker of minorities, passionate defender of the different elements, of "variety", you can never hope to find rest or others to cut you a break, ANYWHERE! Even without you using or suggesting any form of violence against something or someone, you are labelled a hatred-filled demon, enemy of society, someone to be disposed of and discarded!

In the beginning, it was acceptance and tolerance, then it became an invasion, a coup, an enforced tyranny, a real conquest without battle fought or spilt blood or opened noses, an outbreak of REAL dictatorship, which like ANY dictatorship ever instigated, it uses MASTERFULLY "propaganda", "censorship" and active hunt against those who think differently, or refuse to become servile tools to the new world order, globalization, enforced multiculturalism, etc etc etc!

Both polar sides are dangerous, yet as everyone knows, left wing extremists, whenever and wherever they took over power, they did far more worse things (at least in numbers and "score"), than their always hated and black sheeped, opposite side representatives.

Beware socialism, mates! "Politics; now that's the stuff that will kill you"!

Ah and don't forget, everything is a _phobia! You don't like something? You don't agree to something? Then you are mentally ill, you are afraid of everything around you and you should consult a psychologist to help you overcome said phobia! Now be good kids and take your pills and if you don't behave...? You are going to have legal consequences, of course! Enjoy. Courtesy of "democracy".

Who was that other Renaissance philosopher who once said; "I might disagree with you, but i will fight, so as your opinion has a RIGHT to be HEARD from everyone, just like mine"??? Some people mumble incoherently that "Democracy" is the fruit of Renaissance, which brought "freedom" and "culture", brought civilization back restored after the brutality of the dark ages, yet somehow, for whatever reason, i see more "dark age" today, rather than "Renaissance"... Strange...
Post edited June 02, 2016 by KiNgBrAdLeY7
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plagren: Yup. I guess it takes a hypocrite to know a hypocrite?
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MaximumBunny: Does it? Cause if you were calling me one then that would make you one by your logic.
Only if you actually were one. So, uh... you tell me?
The name is appropriate when they actually want men put into concentration camps literally and get these views published in national news.
The appropriate name for those asshats would be "misandrists". If you are/were a supporter of real feminism, like you claim, why would you want to suggest the two have anything in common? Furthermore, treating misandrists as a serious threat to society is giving them way too much credit. They're extremely annoying, but that's about it.
I've been a supporter of real feminism at the time it actually meant something. :P
Maybe it could still mean something if people stopped equating feminism with hating men. Or are you perhaps suggesting there are no real feminists left, and it's all about concentration camps now?
"Them" - you're one of them you know.
I'm still not entirely sure what you meant by this. If you were trying to say I hate men, that's slightly inaccurate. I just hate most people regardless of gender.

P.S. I'm sorry if I offended you with my 1st grade language, I'll try to censor myself from now on.
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Shadowstalker16: Yeah I know its a democratic principle. I know its the best one to follow. Some methods to it just seem to me to be meaningless trash people use to show off their anit-xxxxism. I'm just warning against witch hunting, especially when words like ''hate speech'' are thrown around at random by media and believed without skepticism by many people. This can lead to a blind uprising against people as well.
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jamyskis: This kind of "meaningless trash" was how World War II started.
No. That's how you think WWII started, but no.

If it was then Alex Jones would already be the Fuhrer of the USA. If anything should be banned it's the idea that WWII was started because of the lack of restriction of speech.

It's naive, it's dumb and most seriously it deflects from the actual reason and responsibility of those involved.
I thought WW2 started when Miss O'Leary's cow kicked over a lantern.

Or was that the Chicago fire?

Which one starred Henry Fonda?
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plagren: If you are/were a supporter of real feminism, like you claim, why would you want to suggest the two have anything in common?
I don't see where I said that. I implied that the media focus is on the people claiming to have no voice about absurd, unimportant issues like "how can we make people stop offending us?" in the topic title. It's especially prominent in the European governments. That people want the right to not be offended shows how weak we've become as societies.

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plagren: I'm still not entirely sure what you meant by this. If you were trying to say I hate men, that's slightly inaccurate. I just hate most people regardless of gender.

P.S. I'm sorry if I offended you with my 1st grade language, I'll try to censor myself from now on.
It's the attitude that's juvenile, not the language. I'm not offended by anything you've said in the same way I'm not upset by a dog barking at me. People (particularly liberals) have gone from being able to pose intelligent arguments for righteous causes to attacking everyone with an opposing view. They claim tolerance as long as everything agrees with their side. And I can see this attitude in users such as yourself.

The fact that you have to apologize for thinking you offended me is part of the general problem. People think they have to share these views, act that way, yada yada. I think the thing we should all have in common is the ability to converse with each other without wishing the other person to die. Unfortunately it's not so common these days.
we are going to protect everyone just give us everything
Post edited June 02, 2016 by bloodright21
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paladin181: That's terrible. Free speech and all, unless you're saying something we don't like.

Fuck that noise. Thankfully for me, at least, those policies would NEVER fly here and the backlash would be over the top. I don't have to agree with what you say to support your right to say it.
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morolf: I wouldn't be so sure about that...a lot of US millenials seem to be in favour of restricting "hate speech":
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/40-of-millennials-ok-with-limiting-speech-offensive-to-minorities/
Though for the moment you're probably right that the US is freer in this regard than Europe (especially Germany which is depressingly authoritarian).
I agree with morolf, US collages seem to be fighting the idea of free speech at the moment. Milo Yiannopoulos' current college tour is a good example of this IMHO. And how long before those students get in a position to really change our rights.
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Shadowstalker16: No, the magazine was talking about Finns in general and the politician was talking about Somalis in general. And I'd imagine all the laws aren't coded so insulting ''you own'' community is not punishable, because the principle is most likely making every community ''protected'' from the ''hate speech''.
I imagine it's not the laws as much as the courts, and they do that because it's reasonable. If you can't understand the distinction between criticising your own group and others, that's a real pity, but luckily the courts can.
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Emob78: You're mistaking the handful of soccer hooligans for the 26 million Syrian Muslims that now reside in your nation.
I see your opinion is based on good, fact checked numbers, which seem to quickly become the standard in this thread.

I myself didn't even know we had more Syrian muslims in Germany than Syrian muslims exist in the entire world including Syria. Well, the more you know.
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Shadowstalker16: No, the magazine was talking about Finns in general and the politician was talking about Somalis in general. And I'd imagine all the laws aren't coded so insulting ''you own'' community is not punishable, because the principle is most likely making every community ''protected'' from the ''hate speech''.
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ET3D: I imagine it's not the laws as much as the courts, and they do that because it's reasonable. If you can't understand the distinction between criticising your own group and others, that's a real pity, but luckily the courts can.
If they did, that would be mentioned in their judgement. And timpu didn't say it was.

Just look at it this way; how is it equal protection of law (assuming the protection is protection from being offended or protection from hate speech) if some people can say it and some people cannot? I see the moral principle you're talking about, but how valid is it, since its assuming every person within a group will identify as being from that group or follow the groups traditions? Such laws where the legality depends on the person doing the act are very minor and won't be there in a national penal code. The few places where those things are present are very specific and detailed; like different marriage laws for different religions for example.
Fuck censorship!

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Post edited June 02, 2016 by fr33kSh0w2012
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Emob78: You're mistaking the handful of soccer hooligans for the 26 million Syrian Muslims that now reside in your nation.
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Vainamoinen: I see your opinion is based on good, fact checked numbers, which seem to quickly become the standard in this thread.

I myself didn't even know we had more Syrian muslims in Germany than Syrian muslims exist in the entire world including Syria. Well, the more you know.
Exaggeration given to highlight a rhetorical or debate point. Could be 2 million, could be 200 million. Point of contention stands.

But hey, it's your continent, you nations. Do as you will.